Celtic Cup

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Blue Meanie

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Monday 26th November 2007
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Just heard about this celtic cup thingy. I wonder if England have distanced themselves because the other home nations are being arsy over a British side for the olympics??
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/football/internati...

Eric Mc

122,861 posts

272 months

Tuesday 27th November 2007
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England should be eligible to play in a Celtic Cup as the dominant DNA starnd amongst the English population is Celtic. Then again, Spain, Portugal and France might qualify on that score too.

im

34,302 posts

224 months

Tuesday 27th November 2007
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Eric Mc said:
England should be eligible to play in a Celtic Cup as the dominant DNA starnd amongst the English population is Celtic.
No its not - where do you get this from?

ewenm

28,506 posts

252 months

Tuesday 27th November 2007
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Why not just have a British Isles cup? I suspect the FA are worried about the wooden spoon award...

MX125

50 posts

208 months

Tuesday 27th November 2007
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Yip they are running scared that all the home nations would beat the over paid prima donnas and finish bottom of the league .

Eric Mc

122,861 posts

272 months

Tuesday 27th November 2007
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im - the most extensive ten year study on British Isles DNA was conducted a short while ago and that was their findings (The Oxford Genetic Atlas Survey).

If you do a Google you'll find that there is a dedicated website to the study. A popular science book by the Professor in charge of the study was released a few months ago. The book is called "Blood of the Isles" by Bryan Sykes.

Blue Meanie

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Tuesday 27th November 2007
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It would be a little silly to assume all the celtic types, (Bloody Germanics, don't mention the war!), all kept within their borders.

Eric Mc

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Tuesday 27th November 2007
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The thing is, the term "Celtic" is rather vague and means a more specific thing today than it did when the Celts were all over Europe.

Blue Meanie

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Tuesday 27th November 2007
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Eric Mc said:
The thing is, the term "Celtic" is rather vague and means a more specific thing today than it did when the Celts were all over Europe.
yes They went from what we think of as celtic countries, all the way over to Turkey as far as I remember from school. Also, the actual term Celtic is relatively new.

im

34,302 posts

224 months

Tuesday 27th November 2007
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Eric Mc said:
im - the most extensive ten year study on British Isles DNA was conducted a short while ago and that was their findings (The Oxford Genetic Atlas Survey).
Please see this, it's a study published in the Proceedings of the Royal Society in 2006.

"When the Anglo-Saxons reached Britain from what is now Germany, the Netherlands and Denmark, between the 5th and 7th centuries, they were outnumbered by indigenous Celts. The Anglo-Saxon invaders numbered between 10,000-200,000, compared with an estimated 2 million natives. Within just 15 generations, however, Anglo-Saxon genes had so multiplied that they accounted for more than half the male DNA in the population of what is now England. In the modern population the DNA is even more heavily Germanic in origin."

It is here:

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/article68...

We are more Germanic than Celtic now - perhaps 1,000 years ago we weren't but we are now.


ewenm

28,506 posts

252 months

Tuesday 27th November 2007
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im said:
Eric Mc said:
im - the most extensive ten year study on British Isles DNA was conducted a short while ago and that was their findings (The Oxford Genetic Atlas Survey).
Please see this, it's a study published in the Proceedings of the Royal Society in 2006.

"When the Anglo-Saxons reached Britain from what is now Germany, the Netherlands and Denmark, between the 5th and 7th centuries, they were outnumbered by indigenous Celts. The Anglo-Saxon invaders numbered between 10,000-200,000, compared with an estimated 2 million natives. Within just 15 generations, however, Anglo-Saxon genes had so multiplied that they accounted for more than half the male DNA in the population of what is now England. In the modern population the DNA is even more heavily Germanic in origin."

It is here:

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/article68...

We are more Germanic than Celtic now - perhaps 1,000 years ago we weren't but we are now.
I remember these two surveys both coming out at roughly the same time with different results. It was amusing then and still is - why do we feel the need to pigeonhole ourselves by our ancestry? Does it really matter to modern Britain that I'm X% celtic (whatever that is) and Y% germanic?

im

34,302 posts

224 months

Tuesday 27th November 2007
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ewenm said:
im said:
Eric Mc said:
im - the most extensive ten year study on British Isles DNA was conducted a short while ago and that was their findings (The Oxford Genetic Atlas Survey).
Please see this, it's a study published in the Proceedings of the Royal Society in 2006.

"When the Anglo-Saxons reached Britain from what is now Germany, the Netherlands and Denmark, between the 5th and 7th centuries, they were outnumbered by indigenous Celts. The Anglo-Saxon invaders numbered between 10,000-200,000, compared with an estimated 2 million natives. Within just 15 generations, however, Anglo-Saxon genes had so multiplied that they accounted for more than half the male DNA in the population of what is now England. In the modern population the DNA is even more heavily Germanic in origin."

It is here:

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/article68...

We are more Germanic than Celtic now - perhaps 1,000 years ago we weren't but we are now.
I remember these two surveys both coming out at roughly the same time with different results. It was amusing then and still is - why do we feel the need to pigeonhole ourselves by our ancestry? Does it really matter to modern Britain that I'm X% celtic (whatever that is) and Y% germanic?
yes In footballing terms I want to be part of a WINNING team for a change. It's the "Mc" in Mclaren that ed us up y'know...





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Get Karter

1,949 posts

208 months

Tuesday 27th November 2007
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im said:

yes In footballing terms I want to be part of a WINNING team for a change. It's the "Mc" in Mclaren that ed us up y'know...
wink
I agree....you need a Scottish manager ;-)

Oh and McLaren are a successful celtic F1 team.
McClaren is the underachiever's name you were after.

Edited by Get Karter on Tuesday 27th November 16:09

ewenm

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252 months

Tuesday 27th November 2007
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im said:
ewenm said:
im said:
Eric Mc said:
im - the most extensive ten year study on British Isles DNA was conducted a short while ago and that was their findings (The Oxford Genetic Atlas Survey).
Please see this, it's a study published in the Proceedings of the Royal Society in 2006.

"When the Anglo-Saxons reached Britain from what is now Germany, the Netherlands and Denmark, between the 5th and 7th centuries, they were outnumbered by indigenous Celts. The Anglo-Saxon invaders numbered between 10,000-200,000, compared with an estimated 2 million natives. Within just 15 generations, however, Anglo-Saxon genes had so multiplied that they accounted for more than half the male DNA in the population of what is now England. In the modern population the DNA is even more heavily Germanic in origin."

It is here:

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/article68...

We are more Germanic than Celtic now - perhaps 1,000 years ago we weren't but we are now.
I remember these two surveys both coming out at roughly the same time with different results. It was amusing then and still is - why do we feel the need to pigeonhole ourselves by our ancestry? Does it really matter to modern Britain that I'm X% celtic (whatever that is) and Y% germanic?
yes In footballing terms I want to be part of a WINNING team for a change. It's the "Mc" in Mclaren that ed us up y'know...





wink
I think Brazil are welcoming immigrants at the moment...

Eric Mc

122,861 posts

272 months

Tuesday 27th November 2007
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McLaren do some decent prams too.

And the British Empire would have stalled fairly early on in its expansion without the Celtic input - not the Celts in the British Isles always want to boast about that.

Get Karter

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208 months

Tuesday 27th November 2007
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Eric Mc said:
McLaren do some decent prams too.

And the British Empire would have stalled fairly early on in its expansion without the Celtic input - not the Celts in the British Isles always want to boast about that.
Sorry to pick you up on that Eric, but as a new(ish) dad I know that the prams are actually:

MacLaren

Blue Meanie

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Tuesday 27th November 2007
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More Germanic? Well, erm, the celts did originate from Northern germany I believe...

Get Karter

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208 months

Tuesday 27th November 2007
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Blue Meanie said:
More Germanic? Well, erm, the celts did originate from Northern germany I believe...
Would you Adam and Eve it..

(were they from Germanic descent by any chance....)

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Eric Mc

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272 months

Tuesday 27th November 2007
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Mac/Mc - it's all the same. I can use either.

deevlash

10,442 posts

244 months

Tuesday 27th November 2007
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I think that england have been ignored for this so far as theres the clear problem of a large number of their fans being unable to behave themselves.