Drogba - Hunt Meant It
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Chelsea are a bunch of whingers..Everyone is against them so we must throw our toys out of the pram...
Maybe hunt meant it maybe he did not but it happened just the same as when essien tackled the liverpool player trying to break his leg..Now the portugese t
t is having a go at the NHS saying it took 30 mins for an ambulance and they never used a stretcher...
Maybe hunt meant it maybe he did not but it happened just the same as when essien tackled the liverpool player trying to break his leg..Now the portugese t
t is having a go at the NHS saying it took 30 mins for an ambulance and they never used a stretcher... Its just 2 players going for the ball, nothing malicious at all IMO
www.youtube.com/watch?v=XMpRwuDV2k8
www.youtube.com/watch?v=XMpRwuDV2k8
staceyb said:
Its just 2 players going for the ball, nothing malicious at all IMO
www.youtube.com/watch?v=XMpRwuDV2k8
www.youtube.com/watch?v=XMpRwuDV2k8
I totally agree. It was exactly that, no intent at all.
Mourinho looks an arse with his whinging and after complaining yesterday that it took 30 minutes for the ambulance to be called when it was his own medical people who said they didnt want an ambulance until 20 mins after the incident. When they did finally ask for one it was there in 7 minutes.
(I am a Reading fan but that has no bearing on my view)
unrepentant said:
staceyb said:
Its just 2 players going for the ball, nothing malicious at all IMO
www.youtube.com/watch?v=XMpRwuDV2k8
www.youtube.com/watch?v=XMpRwuDV2k8
I totally agree. It was exactly that, no intent at all.
Mourinho looks an arse with his whinging and after complaining yesterday that it took 30 minutes for the ambulance to be called when it was his own medical people who said they didnt want an ambulance until 20 mins after the incident. When they did finally ask for one it was there in 7 minutes.
(I am a Reading fan but that has no bearing on my view)
Of course, once the council have finished trashing the ringroad, Cech's life would be in danger as the ambulance would have to travel around 7/8ths of Reading
unrepentant said:
staceyb said:
Its just 2 players going for the ball, nothing malicious at all IMO
www.youtube.com/watch?v=XMpRwuDV2k8
www.youtube.com/watch?v=XMpRwuDV2k8
I totally agree. It was exactly that, no intent at all.
Mourinho looks an arse with his whinging and after complaining yesterday that it took 30 minutes for the ambulance to be called when it was his own medical people who said they didnt want an ambulance until 20 mins after the incident. When they did finally ask for one it was there in 7 minutes.
(I am a Reading fan but that has no bearing on my view)
Dont they keep an ambulance on site? I work at elland road (i wont say in what capacity
) but there is usually an ambulance in the car park in case anything happens unrepentant said:
staceyb said:
Its just 2 players going for the ball, nothing malicious at all IMO
www.youtube.com/watch?v=XMpRwuDV2k8
www.youtube.com/watch?v=XMpRwuDV2k8
I totally agree. It was exactly that, no intent at all.
Mourinho looks an arse with his whinging and after complaining yesterday that it took 30 minutes for the ambulance to be called when it was his own medical people who said they didnt want an ambulance until 20 mins after the incident. When they did finally ask for one it was there in 7 minutes.
(I am a Reading fan but that has no bearing on my view)
Actually what you have written is not entirely correct.
The player was injured at 5.16pm. There was then a 19 minute delay, until it was decided that an ambulance was required. An ambulance was requested by the Chelsea doctor at 5.35pm. It took 10 minutes for the Reading staff to call for that ambulance. The call was made at 5.45pm, and the ambulance arrived at 5.52.
So, as a doctor, who has worked in neurosurgery, during my training, I can say that there were 2 delays which were inexplicable, and potentially life threatening, given the nature of the injury.
Firstly, the 19 minutes from the injury, until a decision is made for an ambulance. This is an unbelievably long period of time. The patient had a severe head injury, and was lying in a football stadium dressing room, totally inappropriate surroundings to be treated in. He needed to be in an area with resus and life support equipment.
Secondly it took 10 minutes for the Reading staff to call for an ambulance. Also, utterly inexplicable. Why the Chelsea staff didn't call 999, I do not know, either. As far as I can see, this is a serious balls-up, and it could have costed Cech his life. From my evaluation of what I've heard, he probably had an extradural haemorrhage, which can cause rapid loss of consciousness and death within minutes.
Thirdly, the player may not have meant to cause a fractured skull, but he certainly meant for Cech to be 'aware' of him, in the first minute of the game. These sort of challenges should not be allowed, as even with no intent, (as has occurred here) tragedy can happen.
Edited by 968 on Thursday 19th October 09:32
Edited by 968 on Thursday 19th October 09:32
anonymous said:
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I have to disagree with this one - it's a contact sport, it's part of the game, getting the upper hand - keepers are already massively protected and are themselves the protagonists of most penalty box dubious activities and chucking their weight about - this was a one in a million challenge - do you stop people from making tackles as well, or perhaps you stop people kicking the ball so hard in case it pushes someone's nose back into their brain - course not..... - you don;t boot him in the head, you don't two foot him in the groin but you let him know you want that ball more than he does.....
Watching the challenge, the guy had no chance, whatsoever of reaching the ball. His only aim could have been to a) knock the ball out of Cech's hands (by physical means) which is a foul or b) to physically intimidate Cech.
Yes it's a contact sport, but that doesn't equate to allowing players to perpetrate acts of physical violence in the pretense of being part of the game. The nature of the injury to Cech should make that point self-evident.
Tackles are normally aimed at the lower limbs, and yes, if they are dangerous 2 footed tackles, over the ball, they should be banned, lest we get another David Busst incident. And FYI kicking a ball hard will not push your nose back into your brain. A fracture dislocation of the sphenoid and ethmoid would require an injury like a car crash.
968 said:
The player was injured at 5.16pm. There was then a 19 minute delay, until it was decided that an ambulance was required. An ambulance was requested by the Chelsea doctor at 5.35pm. It took 10 minutes for the Reading staff to call for that ambulance. The call was made at 5.45pm, and the ambulance arrived at 5.52.
The statement issued by Reading stated that the Chelsea doctor asked for assistance at 5.35 and that paramedics went in and assesed the situation and pretty much immediately called for an ambulance.
Either way I agree with you that the delays were too long and inexplicable. As was Mourinhos attempt to blame the whole thing on Reading.
I disagree with you about the level of intent but lets not have (another) argument.
(Although if you want to discuss Shoaib's drug test I'm your man.............
) unrepentant said:
The statement issued by Reading stated that the Chelsea doctor asked for assistance at 5.35 and that paramedics went in and assesed the situation and pretty much immediately called for an ambulance.
And this is where the confusion and discrepancies with the story begin. The ambulance was requested at 5.35 but the call was not made until 5.45, which is an unforgivably long delay, and could've easily resulted in Cech 'coning' ie the brainstem being forced thru the back of the skull by increased cranial pressure.
unrepentant said:
(Although if you want to discuss Shoaib's drug test I'm your man.............)
)Not a massive surprise. I daresay that both he and Asif, who were rushed thru the recovery of long term injuries were given supplements to aid their recovery. Has happened in all types of sports, many times, even in Cricket, remember Warne's ban? But leg's wait until the B sample returns.
968 said:
And this is where the confusion and discrepancies with the story begin. The ambulance was requested at 5.35 but the call was not made until 5.45, which is an unforgivably long delay, and could've easily resulted in Cech 'coning' ie the brainstem being forced thru the back of the skull by increased cranial pressure.
According to the Reading FC official statement (from the website) the Chelsea doctor requested assistance at 5.40 and at 5.45 the paramedics, having arrived and quickly assessed the situation, called the ambulance which arrived at 5.52. Sorry to be a pedant but I think it's important that the timeline is clear as 5 minutes is obviously quite important in this situation.
(Assuming it took the paramedics say 2 mins to arrive having been requested by the Chelsea doctor they would seem to have acted v promptly in assessing the situation and calling for an ambulance in 3 mins). As you said before - why didnt the Chelsea doc just call for one straight away?
unrepentant said:
According to the Reading FC official statement (from the website) the Chelsea doctor requested assistance at 5.40 and at 5.45 the paramedics, having arrived and quickly assessed the situation, called the ambulance which arrived at 5.52. Sorry to be a pedant but I think it's important that the timeline is clear as 5 minutes is obviously quite important in this situation.
Well that's where the confusion is. According to the Chelsea staff, and indeed the match officials, the request for the ambulance was made at 5.35 by the Chelsea doctor, it wasn't called for until 5.45 and then arrived at 5.52.
There were NO paramedics in attendance before the ambulance arrived, but Cech was being attended to by the Chelsea and Reading medical staff, who assessed the patient.
968 said:
unrepentant said:
According to the Reading FC official statement (from the website) the Chelsea doctor requested assistance at 5.40 and at 5.45 the paramedics, having arrived and quickly assessed the situation, called the ambulance which arrived at 5.52. Sorry to be a pedant but I think it's important that the timeline is clear as 5 minutes is obviously quite important in this situation.
Well that's where the confusion is. According to the Chelsea staff, and indeed the match officials, the request for the ambulance was made at 5.35 by the Chelsea doctor, it wasn't called for until 5.45 and then arrived at 5.52.
There were NO paramedics in attendance before the ambulance arrived, but Cech was being attended to by the Chelsea and Reading medical staff, who assessed the patient.
OK. So Chelsea and Reading disagree on the timing. (The match officials were presumably officiating the match at the time?)
unrepentant said:
968 said:
The player was injured at 5.16pm. There was then a 19 minute delay, until it was decided that an ambulance was required. An ambulance was requested by the Chelsea doctor at 5.35pm. It took 10 minutes for the Reading staff to call for that ambulance. The call was made at 5.45pm, and the ambulance arrived at 5.52.
The statement issued by Reading stated that the Chelsea doctor asked for assistance at 5.35 and that paramedics went in and assesed the situation and pretty much immediately called for an ambulance.
Either way I agree with you that the delays were too long and inexplicable. As was Mourinhos attempt to blame the whole thing on Reading.
I disagree with you about the level of intent but lets not have (another) argument.
(Although if you want to discuss Shoaib's drug test I'm your man.............
)perhaps you might want to discuss the ball tampering verdict first? ( sorry, couldnt help it)
peterpeter said:
unrepentant said:
968 said:
The player was injured at 5.16pm. There was then a 19 minute delay, until it was decided that an ambulance was required. An ambulance was requested by the Chelsea doctor at 5.35pm. It took 10 minutes for the Reading staff to call for that ambulance. The call was made at 5.45pm, and the ambulance arrived at 5.52.
The statement issued by Reading stated that the Chelsea doctor asked for assistance at 5.35 and that paramedics went in and assesed the situation and pretty much immediately called for an ambulance.
Either way I agree with you that the delays were too long and inexplicable. As was Mourinhos attempt to blame the whole thing on Reading.
I disagree with you about the level of intent but lets not have (another) argument.
(Although if you want to discuss Shoaib's drug test I'm your man.............
)perhaps you might want to discuss the ball tampering verdict first? ( sorry, couldnt help it)
Whitewash.
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