Rooney card was for stamping
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As a regular football watcher and season ticket holder I've seen my fair bit of football. There is absolutely no way that the stamp was intentional - the portugese prima donna was writhing in apparent agony and had Rooney's feet trapped.
I thought the card was for pushing Ronaldo (may he rot in hell with Red Ken) - and could see it justified as a harsh red for that.
More poor refereeing!
As a regular football watcher and season ticket holder I've seen my fair bit of football. There is absolutely no way that the stamp was intentional - the portugese prima donna was writhing in apparent agony and had Rooney's feet trapped.
I thought the card was for pushing Ronaldo (may he rot in hell with Red Ken) - and could see it justified as a harsh red for that.
More poor refereeing!
So Rooney stay's on his feet and trys to recvover after being bundled over and gets a red card because his foot caught one of the offending defenders. So Rooney should not be honest and just fall to the ground!! Makes FIFA's edicts look even more foolish!!! The decision to allow an Argentine ref doesn't help either, not that any of the ref's have looked any good in this World Cup.
Is there only me that saw it for what it was? It was a deliberate stamp by Rooney to which Ronaldo protested quite correctly, I would do the same myself, in that situation.
Rooney understandably received a red card for his action (stamping) and Ronaldo went on to knock England out. I'm afraid that there is some poetic justice in this.
Neither Rooney nor Ronaldo will have any problems at Old Trafford as we like to protect our players. However I fear for them when it comes to playing matches at other grounds because the mindless, idiotic element will want to exact some sort of revenge against them both.
edited: Without wishing to appear argumentative, as a regular player of football, there is no doubt in my mind that the stamp was intentional.
Rooney understandably received a red card for his action (stamping) and Ronaldo went on to knock England out. I'm afraid that there is some poetic justice in this.
Neither Rooney nor Ronaldo will have any problems at Old Trafford as we like to protect our players. However I fear for them when it comes to playing matches at other grounds because the mindless, idiotic element will want to exact some sort of revenge against them both.
edited: Without wishing to appear argumentative, as a regular player of football, there is no doubt in my mind that the stamp was intentional.
Edited by anniesdad on Monday 3rd July 12:21
anniesdad said:
Is there only me that saw it for what it was? It was a deliberate stamp by Rooney to which Ronaldo protested quite correctly, I would do the same myself, in that situation.
Rooney understandably received a red card for his action (stamping) and Ronaldo went on to knock England out. I'm afraid that there is some poetic justice in this.
Neither Rooney nor Ronaldo will have any problems at Old Trafford as we like to protect our players. However I fear for them when it comes to playing matches at other grounds because the mindless, idiotic element will want to exact some sort of revenge against them both.
edited: Without wishing to appear argumentative, as a regular player of football, there is no doubt in my mind that the stamp was intentional.
Rooney understandably received a red card for his action (stamping) and Ronaldo went on to knock England out. I'm afraid that there is some poetic justice in this.
Neither Rooney nor Ronaldo will have any problems at Old Trafford as we like to protect our players. However I fear for them when it comes to playing matches at other grounds because the mindless, idiotic element will want to exact some sort of revenge against them both.
edited: Without wishing to appear argumentative, as a regular player of football, there is no doubt in my mind that the stamp was intentional.
Edited by anniesdad on Monday 3rd July 12:21
Intentional or not the ref was going to award a free kick, remember the position the ref was in he wouldn't of seen the stamp, Then CR went face to face with ref and Rooney reacted. CR new which buttons to press.
Is it not possible the Referee was advised via his radio link of the stamp?
At the time I also thought that not unlike Kim Milton Neilsen, the ref was trying to make a name for himself. My actions compounded by the fact that at this point I had drank a lot of beer. However in the cold light of day the facts speak for themselves.
At the time I also thought that not unlike Kim Milton Neilsen, the ref was trying to make a name for himself. My actions compounded by the fact that at this point I had drank a lot of beer. However in the cold light of day the facts speak for themselves.
Edited by anniesdad on Monday 3rd July 12:35
anniesdad said:
Is it not possible the Referee was advised via his radio link of the stamp?
At the time I also thought that not unlike Kim Milton Neilsen, the ref was trying to make a name for himself. My actions compounded by the fact that at this point I had drank a lot of beer. However in the cold light of day the facts speak for themselves.
At the time I also thought that not unlike Kim Milton Neilsen, the ref was trying to make a name for himself. My actions compounded by the fact that at this point I had drank a lot of beer. However in the cold light of day the facts speak for themselves.
Edited by anniesdad on Monday 3rd July 12:35
The fact is that the ref can write what ever the hell he likes in the report, whether he saw an alleged 'stamp' or not!
I think the Rooney incident is a sad indictment of the whole approach to playing and refereeing in this World Cup.
If he had simply collapsed in a heap at the first touch from one of his opponents, he would have won a free kick and who knows what would have happened.
By doing the right thing and staying on his feet, he ended up being fouled repeatedly, with no response from the referee, and as a result lost his cool..
Portugal have exploited the weak referees to the max (Holland and England) along with others (Thierry Henry) and shown that cheats can prosper.
It is the nature of our exit that hurts so much because for all our faults as a nation, I do believe we still retain our sense of fair play. This World Cup has rewarded the cheats.
I believe Germany are the closest to an exception and I shall now be cheering for them.
If he had simply collapsed in a heap at the first touch from one of his opponents, he would have won a free kick and who knows what would have happened.
By doing the right thing and staying on his feet, he ended up being fouled repeatedly, with no response from the referee, and as a result lost his cool..
Portugal have exploited the weak referees to the max (Holland and England) along with others (Thierry Henry) and shown that cheats can prosper.
It is the nature of our exit that hurts so much because for all our faults as a nation, I do believe we still retain our sense of fair play. This World Cup has rewarded the cheats.
I believe Germany are the closest to an exception and I shall now be cheering for them.
Edited by mach on Monday 3rd July 13:16
anniesdad said:
Is it not possible the Referee was advised via his radio link of the stamp?...
They don't use off the pitch officials...apparently.
And that the ref said it was for the stamp *after* the game and a chance to ponder is surely no surprise. What is he going to say? "I was going to caution him and possibly give a yellow if he gave me any lip, but then I heard the guy on the ground crying, had 5 Portuguese players in my face an Rooney looked more like Mike Tyson than David Beckham in reaction so I thought I'd better give him a red to calm it down a bit".
I don't believe the foot in was deliberate. The whole incident was 6 of one, half dozen of the other between all three players. The only difference is that Rooney stayed on his feet (and let's face it, if Carvallho had stayed on his, it wouldn't have been possible for his testicles to be trodden on. Mind you, Portugal have showed so few balls in the tournament I'm surprised Rooney managed to hit them anyway!).
mach said:
It is the nature of our exit that hurts so much because for all our faults as a nation, I do believe we still retain our sense of fair play. This World Cup has rewarded the cheats.
I believe Germany are the closest to an exception and I shall now be cheering for them.
I believe Germany are the closest to an exception and I shall now be cheering for them.
... though it pains me to say it, me too!murph7355 said:
anniesdad said:
Is it not possible the Referee was advised via his radio link of the stamp?...
They don't use off the pitch officials...apparently.
And that the ref said it was for the stamp *after* the game and a chance to ponder is surely no surprise. What is he going to say? "I was going to caution him and possibly give a yellow if he gave me any lip, but then I heard the guy on the ground crying, had 5 Portuguese players in my face an Rooney looked more like Mike Tyson than David Beckham in reaction so I thought I'd better give him a red to calm it down a bit".
I don't believe the foot in was deliberate. The whole incident was 6 of one, half dozen of the other between all three players. The only difference is that Rooney stayed on his feet (and let's face it, if Carvallho had stayed on his, it wouldn't have been possible for his testicles to be trodden on. Mind you, Portugal have showed so few balls in the tournament I'm surprised Rooney managed to hit them anyway!).
So what the hell is point of these guys being wired up? Please somebody explain this to me.
Rooney could have been sent off for either stamping or pushing - you choose. To me, it's all a bit handbags but then I don't make up the rules. He lost his cool and if you're going to win World Cups you normally need your best 11 players on the pitch. He'll learn.
Having watched that over and over again, and having played football for a long time myself, that is never, ever a deliberate stamp, and certainly not - even given the pathetic way in which the rules are administered these days - a red card offence. And neither is the push.
Rooney was off balance, tangled up in Carvalho's legs, trying to get free and project himself towards the ball. By misfortune he stepped on Carvalho's little man. The push was nothing more than you see at any set piece and didn't appear threatening, just an attempt to get Ronaldo away from the ref. It wasn't near his face, he didn't move in for afters, it was just him pushing Ronaldo out of the way, nothing more.
That clip then runs on to show, right in front of the ref (indeed as he's approaching not 20 yards away, straight in front of the guys path) prior to kickoff, Ronaldo pushing his head into Rooney - an offence which in my opinion was equally bad as anything Rooney did. Where is his card or latter disiplinary from FIFA?
We weren't good enough to win through, fair enough. But the manner in which Rooney appears to be targeted for punishment by the ref and FIFA stinks - but then those swine have had it in for us for years. I'll bet you any money Rooney gets a four game ban whilst Ronaldo walks punishment free.
Rooney was off balance, tangled up in Carvalho's legs, trying to get free and project himself towards the ball. By misfortune he stepped on Carvalho's little man. The push was nothing more than you see at any set piece and didn't appear threatening, just an attempt to get Ronaldo away from the ref. It wasn't near his face, he didn't move in for afters, it was just him pushing Ronaldo out of the way, nothing more.
That clip then runs on to show, right in front of the ref (indeed as he's approaching not 20 yards away, straight in front of the guys path) prior to kickoff, Ronaldo pushing his head into Rooney - an offence which in my opinion was equally bad as anything Rooney did. Where is his card or latter disiplinary from FIFA?
We weren't good enough to win through, fair enough. But the manner in which Rooney appears to be targeted for punishment by the ref and FIFA stinks - but then those swine have had it in for us for years. I'll bet you any money Rooney gets a four game ban whilst Ronaldo walks punishment free.
anniesdad said:
After watching that anniesdad, can you honestly say that was deliberate? And that Ronaldo wasn't playing for that?
Carvallho first puts in a dodgy challenge which almost brings Rooney down (his biggest mistake was not going down in tears at that point!).
Carvallho is then kicking out at Rooney (across his legs - not the ball) and grabbing at him from behind.
All the time, Rooney's trying to keep on his feet and looking for the football.
Finally Carvallho's so wrapped up around Rooney that the latter loses his balance and steps on the bloke's nuts. Carvallho has no one else to blame but himself, and the ref quite clearly is giving nothing like a red card.
Then Ronaldo and another Portuguese player start harrassing the ref at which point Rooney shoves Roaldo out the way, and the car comes out.
I'm surprised Rooney kept his cool when Ronaldo butted him at the start. Didn't look friendly in the slightest.
Hopefully France will play like they did against Brazil. Portugal will get hammered. Madrid will get Robben and tell Ronaldo he's too much bother. Ferguson will realise there's no way he can play Ronaldo again and the guy will end up playing for some Portuguese side.
fozzi said:
mach said:
It is the nature of our exit that hurts so much because for all our faults as a nation, I do believe we still retain our sense of fair play. This World Cup has rewarded the cheats.
I believe Germany are the closest to an exception and I shall now be cheering for them.
I believe Germany are the closest to an exception and I shall now be cheering for them.
... though it pains me to say it, me too!I'll join you both in that. The Germans were written off pre-tournament but they've proved everyone wrong.
My "second" team were the Czechs, but we all know what happened there
monkeyhanger said:
fozzi said:
mach said:
It is the nature of our exit that hurts so much because for all our faults as a nation, I do believe we still retain our sense of fair play. This World Cup has rewarded the cheats.
I believe Germany are the closest to an exception and I shall now be cheering for them.
I believe Germany are the closest to an exception and I shall now be cheering for them.
... though it pains me to say it, me too!I'll join you both in that. The Germans were written off pre-tournament but they've proved everyone wrong.
My "second" team were the Czechs, but we all know what happened there
They have also put on a very good tournament, despite all FIFA's best efforts to f**k it up!
I feel sick watching that.
No matter what the ref says he gave that for the push.
It looked to me like he was givign a freekick to england untill the push.
And to see Ronaldo do that before and during the game.
This is zhere fifa shoudl step and ban the little weezle: Except they are fello weezels of course.
I hope he gets pilloried at every match he goes to.
No matter what the ref says he gave that for the push.
It looked to me like he was givign a freekick to england untill the push.
And to see Ronaldo do that before and during the game.
This is zhere fifa shoudl step and ban the little weezle: Except they are fello weezels of course.
I hope he gets pilloried at every match he goes to.
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