Is it time to drop Becks
Discussion
Watching todays match it was obvious Becks has forgot how to run,Lenon came on and the change was noticable.Becks cant play at right back (he cant tackle)midfield needs a holding player which can only be Carrick as Charrager is covering for GN,unless you want OH in the side
So my line up v (germany or Equador is
------------Robinson
Charrager------Rio------Terry-------Cole
Lenon----------Gerrard--------Carrick.......Cole
-----------------Owen-------Rooney
Its tough on Crouch, but i think he should be used as an alternate not a starter.This might also stop us playing so many long balls
So my line up v (germany or Equador is
------------Robinson
Charrager------Rio------Terry-------Cole
Lenon----------Gerrard--------Carrick.......Cole
-----------------Owen-------Rooney
Its tough on Crouch, but i think he should be used as an alternate not a starter.This might also stop us playing so many long balls
What about Lampard? The best setup would be to involve Owen and Rooney up front, then Gerrard and Lampard in the middle with a holding midfielder - someone like Parker (I know he's not in the squad), Carragher or Hargreaves so that the other two can go forward and do what they do best.
With any pair fit and on form out of Woodgate, Ferdinand, Terry or Campbell you don't need to worry about protecting the centre backs too much. The wing backs are more of a problem.
With any pair fit and on form out of Woodgate, Ferdinand, Terry or Campbell you don't need to worry about protecting the centre backs too much. The wing backs are more of a problem.
Lamps and Gerrard don't work for England they both think twice before ploughing forward,at international level you dont have that time
Dropping Crough is a toughie but IMHO he lacks the mobility at top class defences will deal with him.Ive no worries if he plays so long as the long ball up is stopped
Becks is a passanger
Oh and both goals were created because of AL
Dropping Crough is a toughie but IMHO he lacks the mobility at top class defences will deal with him.Ive no worries if he plays so long as the long ball up is stopped
Becks is a passanger
Oh and both goals were created because of AL
Beckham still stands tall for England IMO.. (not as tall as that strip of piss crouch)
He runs up and down the pitch for 90 minutes and can kick a dead ball better than anyone, his delivery today was a bit iffy I will admit that.
To be fair though, no one could deliver a decent cross or free kick, the new ball is too blame I swear.
He runs up and down the pitch for 90 minutes and can kick a dead ball better than anyone, his delivery today was a bit iffy I will admit that.
To be fair though, no one could deliver a decent cross or free kick, the new ball is too blame I swear.
Mmm, drop Beckham. No
Lennon looked pacey when he came on, but he has no real end product. All his crosses were poor. In terms of setting up the goal, well he laid the ball back to Beckham. You could say Robinson set it up as he was probably the first player to set the move off......
Downing IMO is not international class.
Although he got us out of the crap, I am not entirely sure why Crouch is suddenly the main man up top. Does that mean when Sven starts with Rooney that Owen will be on the bench instead of Crouch? Admittedly Owen has looked poor to date, but I think that is down to playing the long ball to Crouch.Owen needs quicker movement and direct balls through rather than static flick-ons.
Owen would have relished the oportunities that came about from the introduction of the subs.Rooney does link the play up well and pulls players out of position with his movement that would benefit Owen
Lennon looked pacey when he came on, but he has no real end product. All his crosses were poor. In terms of setting up the goal, well he laid the ball back to Beckham. You could say Robinson set it up as he was probably the first player to set the move off......
Downing IMO is not international class.
Although he got us out of the crap, I am not entirely sure why Crouch is suddenly the main man up top. Does that mean when Sven starts with Rooney that Owen will be on the bench instead of Crouch? Admittedly Owen has looked poor to date, but I think that is down to playing the long ball to Crouch.Owen needs quicker movement and direct balls through rather than static flick-ons.
Owen would have relished the oportunities that came about from the introduction of the subs.Rooney does link the play up well and pulls players out of position with his movement that would benefit Owen
Edited by deanrufleg on Thursday 15th June 22:47
Beckham works harder for the team than most others, and he can still cross better than most in the world. Unfortunately today the bad performances far outweighed the good - Gerrard and Crouch were abysmal, Owen looked as sharp as a not very sharp thing, Robinson flapped at the only two things he was asked to do and Lampard thought the only way to score a goal was to hit it over the cross bar rather than under.
The good performances were, IMO, Beckham, Lennon and by far and away the best of the lot Terry. I do think one of Gerrard and Lampard ought to serve some bench time - they cannot play in the same midfield together - and this may be a way of accomodating Lennon in that midfield.
Also, as well as the midfield there's also the two from three argument for the front line too: which two from Owen, Crouch and Rooney? Or maybe play all three and just drop Gerrard..
The good performances were, IMO, Beckham, Lennon and by far and away the best of the lot Terry. I do think one of Gerrard and Lampard ought to serve some bench time - they cannot play in the same midfield together - and this may be a way of accomodating Lennon in that midfield.
Also, as well as the midfield there's also the two from three argument for the front line too: which two from Owen, Crouch and Rooney? Or maybe play all three and just drop Gerrard..
I thought Beckham did ok aswell, though I only saw the second half. I thought some of his delivery was poor and those diagnonal balls into the box where being mopped up by the big TnT centre backs, but he put in the effort and certainly seems to rally the players well.
I'd drop Lampard and bring in Carrick, moving Gerrard forward. Not been impressed with Lampard so far. Thought Ashley Cole went astray a few times in the second half aswell.
I'd drop Lampard and bring in Carrick, moving Gerrard forward. Not been impressed with Lampard so far. Thought Ashley Cole went astray a few times in the second half aswell.
None of the players that played today have ever really got hold of an England match by the scruff of the neck and made things happen - other than Beckham.
Gerrard can pull a game and team together at (blessed) Liverpool, but he is yet to pull everyone and run his sock off in an England shirt.
Beckham can supply balls in if he gets himself in the right part of the pitch and imo he did not run into those places. I think his fitness is suffering. He used to be very fit aerobically but now looks like he has run out of puff. I think it is Real Madrid at fault because all of their players are suffering with poor fitness levels. Granted there is the arguement that he is getting on a bit therefore slowing down but his delivery of the ball is sensational.
I think today he had a poor game and needs to reflect, regroup and rebuild himself - same for the whole squad really.
Lampard was poor and I would have dropped him before Beckham though. Owen was so bad and Crouch needs to find some precision before he tries any fancy flicks and overhead kicks.
Terry did well, Lennon did fantastic and won the match for us.
Gerrard can pull a game and team together at (blessed) Liverpool, but he is yet to pull everyone and run his sock off in an England shirt.
Beckham can supply balls in if he gets himself in the right part of the pitch and imo he did not run into those places. I think his fitness is suffering. He used to be very fit aerobically but now looks like he has run out of puff. I think it is Real Madrid at fault because all of their players are suffering with poor fitness levels. Granted there is the arguement that he is getting on a bit therefore slowing down but his delivery of the ball is sensational.
I think today he had a poor game and needs to reflect, regroup and rebuild himself - same for the whole squad really.
Lampard was poor and I would have dropped him before Beckham though. Owen was so bad and Crouch needs to find some precision before he tries any fancy flicks and overhead kicks.
Terry did well, Lennon did fantastic and won the match for us.
I think we're all forgetting that the person responsible for how we play on a match by match basis is none of the above but Sven "paid 10x more than my peers" Ericsson.
Dropping Crouch for Rooney is a very good idea, but neither Owen or Rooney are fit enough to allow us to do that at the moment. Other than that I wouldn't change the starting line up, assuming Neville gets fit again.
I swear its the manager. Uninspired and uninspiring.
Dropping Crouch for Rooney is a very good idea, but neither Owen or Rooney are fit enough to allow us to do that at the moment. Other than that I wouldn't change the starting line up, assuming Neville gets fit again.
I swear its the manager. Uninspired and uninspiring.
IMHO, the problem is we're trying to fit a system around players, rather than fitting the right players into a system.
Bex, Stevie G, Lamps and Joe Cole are the 4 best midfielders we have at the moment, but that doesn't mean they should all be playing.
SG and Lamps should be competing for 1 position in front of a holding midfielder that should be Carrick or Scott Parker.
I have no probs with Bex, he is still the best crosser/free kick taker in the game (i'd use Lennon just like last night, as an impact sub).
Joe Cole is playing fantastically well, but he is not a left midfielder, defenders in the later stages will get wise to him, he cuts inside onto his right, if he goes outside, it's a lottery as his left foot crossing is patchy at best? Downing is a natural left winger, and his left foot delivery is almost as good as Bex's right...
Crouch would benefit from crosses from higher up the pitch from Downing, Bex and Lennon, rather than the long balls from deep from Bex and Stevie G.
Back 4 with either Neville or Carragher at right back is doing great, no goals conceded.
Rant over...
Bex, Stevie G, Lamps and Joe Cole are the 4 best midfielders we have at the moment, but that doesn't mean they should all be playing.
SG and Lamps should be competing for 1 position in front of a holding midfielder that should be Carrick or Scott Parker.
I have no probs with Bex, he is still the best crosser/free kick taker in the game (i'd use Lennon just like last night, as an impact sub).
Joe Cole is playing fantastically well, but he is not a left midfielder, defenders in the later stages will get wise to him, he cuts inside onto his right, if he goes outside, it's a lottery as his left foot crossing is patchy at best? Downing is a natural left winger, and his left foot delivery is almost as good as Bex's right...
Crouch would benefit from crosses from higher up the pitch from Downing, Bex and Lennon, rather than the long balls from deep from Bex and Stevie G.
Back 4 with either Neville or Carragher at right back is doing great, no goals conceded.
Rant over...
No way should Beckham be dropped. he is still the best dead ball player and crosser in the world. Lennon did really well but he was playing against a guy who wasnt the fastest, had played and hour and couldnt tackle cos he was on a booking. And whilst he got round the back lennon's crosses were a bit rubbish!
The back four look OK, midfield is an issue, either play Gerrard and Lampard and tell one they have to hang back or play one and put Carrick in. They are trying to play the same game, when gerrard hung back at the end Lampard finally found some space and could have had 3 goals with more composure.
Up front we have a real issue. owen isnt anywhere near fit so why play him from the start? Rooney looked OK, but he was blowing after 30 mins, he'll never go a whole game. Crouch for me isnt good enough, yes he scored, but he's too gangly mark him close and you can take him out the game. And why take Walcott and not play him??? I'd go with Owen and Rooney to start and see how long they go.
Bit of a problem really. For what its worth I think we'll ge the point against Sweden but still play Germany next round. That will be a really balanced game, I think Germany and England are about the same in standard just now.
The back four look OK, midfield is an issue, either play Gerrard and Lampard and tell one they have to hang back or play one and put Carrick in. They are trying to play the same game, when gerrard hung back at the end Lampard finally found some space and could have had 3 goals with more composure.
Up front we have a real issue. owen isnt anywhere near fit so why play him from the start? Rooney looked OK, but he was blowing after 30 mins, he'll never go a whole game. Crouch for me isnt good enough, yes he scored, but he's too gangly mark him close and you can take him out the game. And why take Walcott and not play him??? I'd go with Owen and Rooney to start and see how long they go.
Bit of a problem really. For what its worth I think we'll ge the point against Sweden but still play Germany next round. That will be a really balanced game, I think Germany and England are about the same in standard just now.
Crouch really is a liability. Yes he scored, but from how many chances? His ratio of shots to goals scored must be abysmal. Nevertheless, I'd start him against Sweden because I'm nervous about Rooney playing a full game yet.
Quite what Owen is playing at I don't know. Lennon was great but looks far less capable of playing the ball in to a striker than Beckham...perhaps starting Lennon against Sweden could be a good move though...?
Quite what Owen is playing at I don't know. Lennon was great but looks far less capable of playing the ball in to a striker than Beckham...perhaps starting Lennon against Sweden could be a good move though...?
Anyone that gets themselves in this shape is a worry
My Eng Vs Sweden line up would be.
.........................Robinson
..........Ferdinand.......Terry.........A.Cole
.......................Carragher/Carrick
.....Beckham.................................J.Cole
..............Gerrard..................Lampard
...............Crouch...............Owen
However I would favour Owen to start again and then sub him for Walcott to give the lad a run out whilst he can, why take him otherwise? Change Carragher for Carrick at Half time if England want to play up the field a bit more and then Last 20 minutes bring Lampard or Crouch off for Rooney.
Go on Sven, play an attacking risk.
My Eng Vs Sweden line up would be.
.........................Robinson
..........Ferdinand.......Terry.........A.Cole
.......................Carragher/Carrick
.....Beckham.................................J.Cole
..............Gerrard..................Lampard
...............Crouch...............Owen
However I would favour Owen to start again and then sub him for Walcott to give the lad a run out whilst he can, why take him otherwise? Change Carragher for Carrick at Half time if England want to play up the field a bit more and then Last 20 minutes bring Lampard or Crouch off for Rooney.
Go on Sven, play an attacking risk.
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