Snooker - lose the frame?

[Simpo Two]

Just seen a player warned that if he doesn't hit a red he'll lose the frame. Something to do with reds being available on both sides of the black. Can anyone explain?

[Dave.]

The “foul and miss” rule?

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rules_of_snooker#:...

[Simpo Two]

Hmm, maybe it's this bit:

'If a player fouls and misses in a non-snookered scenario, and if the opponent requests that the shot be replayed from the original position, a second failure to make a best attempt is ruled a foul and a miss regardless of the score difference. The fouling player is issued a warning by the referee, and a third such failure forfeits the frame to the opponent.'

I thought repeated fouls or misses just kept racking up the other player's score.

[Miocene]

Simpo Two said:

Hmm, maybe it's this bit:

'If a player fouls and misses in a non-snookered scenario, and if the opponent requests that the shot be replayed from the original position, a second failure to make a best attempt is ruled a foul and a miss regardless of the score difference. The fouling player is issued a warning by the referee, and a third such failure forfeits the frame to the opponent.'

I thought repeated fouls or misses just kept racking up the other player's score.

This is right. If you're not snookered you have three attempts before forfeiting the frame.

[anonymous-user]

Simpo Two said:

Just seen a player warned that if he doesn't hit a red he'll lose the frame. Something to do with reds being available on both sides of the black. Can anyone explain?

It’s to stop a player continually trying to hit a snookered ball (one that won’t result in giving the opponent an advantage/easy next shot) rather than plying a sighted ball which would be more likely to leave the opponent a good next shot.

[Simpo Two]

garyhun said:

Simpo Two said:

Just seen a player warned that if he doesn't hit a red he'll lose the frame. Something to do with reds being available on both sides of the black. Can anyone explain?

It’s to stop a player continually trying to hit a snookered ball (one that won’t result in giving the opponent an advantage/easy next shot) rather than plying a sighted ball which would be more likely to leave the opponent a good next shot.

That makes sense, though every time he misses he'll give points to his opponent, which will eventually lose him the frame anyway. I guess the '3 goes' rule saves time though.

[Randy Winkman]

I think that at the top level it's obvious that the players can get out of pretty much any situation and the 4 point penalty means sod-all to them.