Djokovic withdrawing from AO
Discussion
I suppose you have to admire the courage of his convictions. After all, there is no guarantee he will ever reach 21 majors to overtake rafa and federer and arguably the AO is/was his best shot. However, I just don't understand the logic. His right to keep private his vaccination status (in other words not to admit publicly that he is not vaccinated) is more important to him than his career/legacy? It's baffling. The majority of people in hospital seriously ill with covid are unvaccinated and yet people not only continue to refuse a jab but compromise their own interests in the process. Does he believe the moon landings are fake and the earth is flat as well?
I respect his tennis but the man is a muppet.
I respect his tennis but the man is a muppet.
Reminds me a bit of the Scientologist actors like travolta and cruise or the various born again religious political leaders around the world.
There’s quite a few people at the top of their game with unconventional beliefs and faiths.
You wonder if this belief in something has helped their career and them achieve greatness or that they arrived at these beliefs after becoming famous and then trying to find more meaning in the world.
Maybe there’s actually a few people like this regarding the vaccine but normally they’re not so famous and it doesn’t become an issue publicly, so nobody is that interested or finds out their views on it?
A partner of a family member had an issue recently where it turned out they were unvaccinated and were unlikely get vaccinated. I was pretty surprised and they were reluctant to have their vaccination status revealed. There’s maybe more of it about than we might imagine.
There’s quite a few people at the top of their game with unconventional beliefs and faiths.
You wonder if this belief in something has helped their career and them achieve greatness or that they arrived at these beliefs after becoming famous and then trying to find more meaning in the world.
Maybe there’s actually a few people like this regarding the vaccine but normally they’re not so famous and it doesn’t become an issue publicly, so nobody is that interested or finds out their views on it?
A partner of a family member had an issue recently where it turned out they were unvaccinated and were unlikely get vaccinated. I was pretty surprised and they were reluctant to have their vaccination status revealed. There’s maybe more of it about than we might imagine.
macky17 said:
I suppose you have to admire the courage of his convictions. After all, there is no guarantee he will ever reach 21 majors to overtake rafa and federer and arguably the AO is/was his best shot. However, I just don't understand the logic. His right to keep private his vaccination status (in other words not to admit publicly that he is not vaccinated) is more important to him than his career/legacy? It's baffling. The majority of people in hospital seriously ill with covid are unvaccinated and yet people not only continue to refuse a jab but compromise their own interests in the process. Does he believe the moon landings are fake and the earth is flat as well?
I respect his tennis but the man is a muppet.
By majority you mean less than 50%?I respect his tennis but the man is a muppet.
ChocolateFrog said:
macky17 said:
I suppose you have to admire the courage of his convictions. After all, there is no guarantee he will ever reach 21 majors to overtake rafa and federer and arguably the AO is/was his best shot. However, I just don't understand the logic. His right to keep private his vaccination status (in other words not to admit publicly that he is not vaccinated) is more important to him than his career/legacy? It's baffling. The majority of people in hospital seriously ill with covid are unvaccinated and yet people not only continue to refuse a jab but compromise their own interests in the process. Does he believe the moon landings are fake and the earth is flat as well?
I respect his tennis but the man is a muppet.
By majority you mean less than 50%?I respect his tennis but the man is a muppet.
macky17 said:
I respect his tennis but the man is a muppet.
Most sports people at the very top of their game are a bit 'different' (for want of a better word).My job is working with them, and it's part of their make up that drives themselves to push continually. They all (pretty much) have a whole collection of weird and wonderful habits, rituals and thought processes that if they worked next to in an office you'd put them down as a bit bonkers.
But to constantly push yourself to your own limits, pretty much every day, and to find the motivation to do so and be the best in the world at something year in year out seems to go hand and hand with these traits.
This is just another example, all be it one that is playing out in the public domain rather than being contained in his own set up.
MonkeyMatt said:
ChocolateFrog said:
macky17 said:
I suppose you have to admire the courage of his convictions. After all, there is no guarantee he will ever reach 21 majors to overtake rafa and federer and arguably the AO is/was his best shot. However, I just don't understand the logic. His right to keep private his vaccination status (in other words not to admit publicly that he is not vaccinated) is more important to him than his career/legacy? It's baffling. The majority of people in hospital seriously ill with covid are unvaccinated and yet people not only continue to refuse a jab but compromise their own interests in the process. Does he believe the moon landings are fake and the earth is flat as well?
I respect his tennis but the man is a muppet.
By majority you mean less than 50%?I respect his tennis but the man is a muppet.
ChocolateFrog said:
MonkeyMatt said:
ChocolateFrog said:
macky17 said:
I suppose you have to admire the courage of his convictions. After all, there is no guarantee he will ever reach 21 majors to overtake rafa and federer and arguably the AO is/was his best shot. However, I just don't understand the logic. His right to keep private his vaccination status (in other words not to admit publicly that he is not vaccinated) is more important to him than his career/legacy? It's baffling. The majority of people in hospital seriously ill with covid are unvaccinated and yet people not only continue to refuse a jab but compromise their own interests in the process. Does he believe the moon landings are fake and the earth is flat as well?
I respect his tennis but the man is a muppet.
By majority you mean less than 50%?I respect his tennis but the man is a muppet.
ChocolateFrog said:
MonkeyMatt said:
ChocolateFrog said:
macky17 said:
I suppose you have to admire the courage of his convictions. After all, there is no guarantee he will ever reach 21 majors to overtake rafa and federer and arguably the AO is/was his best shot. However, I just don't understand the logic. His right to keep private his vaccination status (in other words not to admit publicly that he is not vaccinated) is more important to him than his career/legacy? It's baffling. The majority of people in hospital seriously ill with covid are unvaccinated and yet people not only continue to refuse a jab but compromise their own interests in the process. Does he believe the moon landings are fake and the earth is flat as well?
I respect his tennis but the man is a muppet.
By majority you mean less than 50%?I respect his tennis but the man is a muppet.
J6542 said:
He has already had and recovered from covid. His body now knows how to fight it the next time he catches it, what is the point of him taking a vaccine?
I see your point but it has not been established how long your immunity lasts following an infection. I agree that he is unlikely to be seriously ill if lightning strikes twice but it's the logic of refusing the jab which escapes me. People's right to refuse should be outweighed by their responsibility to others around them not to be part of the problem, surely.Maybe he's gone through proper actual informed consent with his medical team and after having already had covid, they have decided there is little benefit to him having the vaccine?
Maybe he's seen the reports of other athletes and people who have had serious adverse reactions and decided that there is no benefit to him.
Maybe he's read one of the many studies that demonstrate natural infection/recovery provides better protection than the vaccines.
Maybe he's just not taken in by the hysterical media and public health bodies that are obsessed with vaccinating everything that moves, regardless of the benefit to them.
Maybe he understands it is of limited use for preventing transmission and it's not practical to continually be jabbed 3 times a year for the rest of his life.
Now Omicron appears to just be a cold for most people, so even little reason for him to be vaccinated.
Maybe he respects individual rights and liberties and doesn't want governments around the world deciding what we can do with our bodies.
Maybe he's seen the reports of other athletes and people who have had serious adverse reactions and decided that there is no benefit to him.
Maybe he's read one of the many studies that demonstrate natural infection/recovery provides better protection than the vaccines.
Maybe he's just not taken in by the hysterical media and public health bodies that are obsessed with vaccinating everything that moves, regardless of the benefit to them.
Maybe he understands it is of limited use for preventing transmission and it's not practical to continually be jabbed 3 times a year for the rest of his life.
Now Omicron appears to just be a cold for most people, so even little reason for him to be vaccinated.
Maybe he respects individual rights and liberties and doesn't want governments around the world deciding what we can do with our bodies.
Slagathore said:
Maybe he's gone through proper actual informed consent with his medical team and after having already had covid, they have decided there is little benefit to him having the vaccine?
Maybe he's seen the reports of other athletes and people who have had serious adverse reactions and decided that there is no benefit to him.
Maybe he's read one of the many studies that demonstrate natural infection/recovery provides better protection than the vaccines.
Maybe he's just not taken in by the hysterical media and public health bodies that are obsessed with vaccinating everything that moves, regardless of the benefit to them.
Maybe he understands it is of limited use for preventing transmission and it's not practical to continually be jabbed 3 times a year for the rest of his life.
Now Omicron appears to just be a cold for most people, so even little reason for him to be vaccinated.
Maybe he respects individual rights and liberties and doesn't want governments around the world deciding what we can do with our bodies.
Jesus. I have a suggestion what you can so with yours.Maybe he's seen the reports of other athletes and people who have had serious adverse reactions and decided that there is no benefit to him.
Maybe he's read one of the many studies that demonstrate natural infection/recovery provides better protection than the vaccines.
Maybe he's just not taken in by the hysterical media and public health bodies that are obsessed with vaccinating everything that moves, regardless of the benefit to them.
Maybe he understands it is of limited use for preventing transmission and it's not practical to continually be jabbed 3 times a year for the rest of his life.
Now Omicron appears to just be a cold for most people, so even little reason for him to be vaccinated.
Maybe he respects individual rights and liberties and doesn't want governments around the world deciding what we can do with our bodies.
Once any thread becomes a covid dominated thread, it’s ruined pretty quickly with the same people and same old arguments.
The covid threads used to be good sources of information and shared experiences but soon became dominated by idiots spreading misinformation and fake news.
What’s odd is that so much of what they were banging on about at the start like hysterical predictions or sinister plots has been proven incorrect but they’re still there going on about ulterior motives and conspiracy it’s just no longer the great reset nonsense but some other vague sinister plot.
The covid threads used to be good sources of information and shared experiences but soon became dominated by idiots spreading misinformation and fake news.
What’s odd is that so much of what they were banging on about at the start like hysterical predictions or sinister plots has been proven incorrect but they’re still there going on about ulterior motives and conspiracy it’s just no longer the great reset nonsense but some other vague sinister plot.
I can't see how my post can be considered not grown up, it's fairly plainly written without any sensationalist langauge.
And as for anti-vax - I have no problems with vaccination, the vaccines have helped millions of people.
But if you can't see in the data and studies that the vaccines don't provide sterilising immunity or long term sterislising immunity, and only limited protection against infection for a short time, then you'd understand the benefit of vaccination is solely to protect the individual.
If you are an individual who has had covid or are just generally not at risk, the benefit of vaccination to you isn't the same as 80 year old with hypertension or obesity etc.
The benefit would not be to vaccinate people who aren't at risk, but to focus on vaccinating high-risk people in poorer countries. That would have a much more positive impact.
Just because you don't understand that, it doesn't make me anti-vax.
And as for anti-vax - I have no problems with vaccination, the vaccines have helped millions of people.
But if you can't see in the data and studies that the vaccines don't provide sterilising immunity or long term sterislising immunity, and only limited protection against infection for a short time, then you'd understand the benefit of vaccination is solely to protect the individual.
If you are an individual who has had covid or are just generally not at risk, the benefit of vaccination to you isn't the same as 80 year old with hypertension or obesity etc.
The benefit would not be to vaccinate people who aren't at risk, but to focus on vaccinating high-risk people in poorer countries. That would have a much more positive impact.
Just because you don't understand that, it doesn't make me anti-vax.
ChocolateFrog said:
MonkeyMatt said:
ChocolateFrog said:
macky17 said:
I suppose you have to admire the courage of his convictions. After all, there is no guarantee he will ever reach 21 majors to overtake rafa and federer and arguably the AO is/was his best shot. However, I just don't understand the logic. His right to keep private his vaccination status (in other words not to admit publicly that he is not vaccinated) is more important to him than his career/legacy? It's baffling. The majority of people in hospital seriously ill with covid are unvaccinated and yet people not only continue to refuse a jab but compromise their own interests in the process. Does he believe the moon landings are fake and the earth is flat as well?
I respect his tennis but the man is a muppet.
By majority you mean less than 50%?I respect his tennis but the man is a muppet.
For those who can't be bothered to read the short article, a large majority of ICU admissions in the UK were unvaccinated up until August. Between September and November, it has been roughly 50/50.
What does this prove?
1. Given that the population split is around 80% vaccinated to 20% unvaccinated, it's pretty clear that you're much more likely to end up in ICU if you're unvaccinated than if you're not.
2. There is some evidence to show that significant numbers of those vaccinated but still admitted to ICU are immunocompromised, meaning that their bodies may well not have been able to use the vaccine properly to set up immunity.
3. On balance, the majority of admissions clearly have been from unvaccinated people, even if it's roughly 50/50 at the moment, so I'd say that supports MonkeyMatt's view?
On the other hand, macky17 is clearly talking out of his bottom with regards to Djokovic!
The chances of a fit 34 year old with no underlying health problems suffering any significant ill effects from Covid - especially given that he has already had it and recovered from it - are so vanishingly small that there is really no benefit to him whatsoever from vaccination.
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