Equal pay in women’s sport
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All for equal pay in other forms of entertainment where the women is equally popular as her male counterpart in contributing say to a films success, but sport I don’t get.
Unless the woman are pulling in as many spectators and this sponsors as the men then why should they get equal pay?
Women’s tennis is a key example already equal pay at the grand slams yet they don’t play the same length as match as men and are no where near as popular...women’s final tickets being so much easier to obtaIn than men’s. In this scenario the men should be aggrieved as in relation to sponsors/spectators etc they are doing more work comparitevly then the women for the same pay.
Likewise calls to match women’s to men’s pay in football and cricket. Well ladies you give the public a product that draws in the same advertising and spectator appeal as the men and by all means have the same pay. When you have very little appeal you can not justify equal pay as you are not generating the revenue to pay you equally. Now women’s cricket and football is getting more popular...well at least it’s being forced onto TV more which is more a PC agenda as the standards remain questionable at best. The power of shot in cricket is incredibly weak and the fielding leaves a lot to be desired. Yes some women can hold there own in men’s decent standard club cricket as nudgers and knurdles in the style of Paul Collingwood, but most can’t. Likewise the power of shot and standard of goal keeping in women’s football is not great...
Until they offer a product that is in demand why should they get equal pay?
Unless the woman are pulling in as many spectators and this sponsors as the men then why should they get equal pay?
Women’s tennis is a key example already equal pay at the grand slams yet they don’t play the same length as match as men and are no where near as popular...women’s final tickets being so much easier to obtaIn than men’s. In this scenario the men should be aggrieved as in relation to sponsors/spectators etc they are doing more work comparitevly then the women for the same pay.
Likewise calls to match women’s to men’s pay in football and cricket. Well ladies you give the public a product that draws in the same advertising and spectator appeal as the men and by all means have the same pay. When you have very little appeal you can not justify equal pay as you are not generating the revenue to pay you equally. Now women’s cricket and football is getting more popular...well at least it’s being forced onto TV more which is more a PC agenda as the standards remain questionable at best. The power of shot in cricket is incredibly weak and the fielding leaves a lot to be desired. Yes some women can hold there own in men’s decent standard club cricket as nudgers and knurdles in the style of Paul Collingwood, but most can’t. Likewise the power of shot and standard of goal keeping in women’s football is not great...
Until they offer a product that is in demand why should they get equal pay?
Of course they shouldn't get the same pay. The only reason they do is third wave feminism and progressive "social justice". The market should decide what female tennis players earn and nothing else. The reality is that there probably isn't a male player in the top 500 that even the best female player in the world could beat.
Sadly there is zero point in even debating such seemingly straightforward issues nowadays. If you disagree with something all you can really do is vote with your wallet - which can be gratifying in its own little way!
Sadly there is zero point in even debating such seemingly straightforward issues nowadays. If you disagree with something all you can really do is vote with your wallet - which can be gratifying in its own little way!
The answer to the tennis issue would be for the men to get together and walk off the court after the third set, and come to that, stand on the base line for most of the game waiting for the other one to make a mistake.
Tennis pay is wrong, but not so all sports, I suspect. There has been some discussion in the press lately about women in F1. Would a female driver necessarily be paid less? I think they would be paid on merit like the men. Does Dannicka Patrick complain about this for driving round Indy at 230 mph? Drivers of either gender are paid what they are worth.
Tennis pay is wrong, but not so all sports, I suspect. There has been some discussion in the press lately about women in F1. Would a female driver necessarily be paid less? I think they would be paid on merit like the men. Does Dannicka Patrick complain about this for driving round Indy at 230 mph? Drivers of either gender are paid what they are worth.
Roofless Toothless said:
The answer to the tennis issue would be for the men to get together and walk off the court after the third set, and come to that, stand on the base line for most of the game waiting for the other one to make a mistake.
Tennis pay is wrong, but not so all sports, I suspect. There has been some discussion in the press lately about women in F1. Would a female driver necessarily be paid less? I think they would be paid on merit like the men. Does Dannicka Patrick complain about this for driving round Indy at 230 mph? Drivers of either gender are paid what they are worth.
the market would decide what shes paid surely? if she proved herself the equal/better of the men on the track she could name her price, in F1 even more so she would probably be paid more if even mildly aesthetic due to the novelty/pioneer factor.Tennis pay is wrong, but not so all sports, I suspect. There has been some discussion in the press lately about women in F1. Would a female driver necessarily be paid less? I think they would be paid on merit like the men. Does Dannicka Patrick complain about this for driving round Indy at 230 mph? Drivers of either gender are paid what they are worth.
PWeston said:
Of course they shouldn't get the same pay. The only reason they do is third wave feminism and progressive "social justice". The market should decide what female tennis players earn and nothing else. The reality is that there probably isn't a male player in the top 500 that even the best female player in the world could beat.
Sadly there is zero point in even debating such seemingly straightforward issues nowadays. If you disagree with something all you can really do is vote with your wallet - which can be gratifying in its own little way!
You'll hate the free market solution then... Female tennis players already get better sponsorship deals than male ones.Sadly there is zero point in even debating such seemingly straightforward issues nowadays. If you disagree with something all you can really do is vote with your wallet - which can be gratifying in its own little way!
I would in general agree with you.
Women's rugby can be pretty entertaining, but as a timely example, Quins are currently making a very big effort to get a World record crowd for a women's standalone league match when they play Richmond Ladies on Saturday. Even though the rugby will be entertaining, they're selling the tickets at a fraction of the cost of the men's games and they're pushing it hard on social media and elsewhere, they'll probably only get a crowd of 5-7,000.
That would be the World record for the women's game, but compare it to the men's game, where the top 15 games (the vast majority of which coincidentally include the Quins men's team) all had attendances in excess of 80,000 and the simple question is "OK, where does the money come from"?
The one exception to that is actually tennis, where I find women's tennis infinitely better to watch, as there tend to be far more rallies and far fewer howitzer serves not being returned, so don't at all begrudge them their pay there.
Women's rugby can be pretty entertaining, but as a timely example, Quins are currently making a very big effort to get a World record crowd for a women's standalone league match when they play Richmond Ladies on Saturday. Even though the rugby will be entertaining, they're selling the tickets at a fraction of the cost of the men's games and they're pushing it hard on social media and elsewhere, they'll probably only get a crowd of 5-7,000.
That would be the World record for the women's game, but compare it to the men's game, where the top 15 games (the vast majority of which coincidentally include the Quins men's team) all had attendances in excess of 80,000 and the simple question is "OK, where does the money come from"?
The one exception to that is actually tennis, where I find women's tennis infinitely better to watch, as there tend to be far more rallies and far fewer howitzer serves not being returned, so don't at all begrudge them their pay there.
What you're all missing is the reason women's sport isn't as popular and that is because it has been in many cases, not allowed in the media or on channels no one can find. It's a self perpetuating situation. Women's sport isn't as popular so we don't show it so it isn't as popular.
Plus tv sport scheduling has historically been controlled by men and mostly football fans so guess what we get, yep shut loads of men's football- probably the world's most tedious snowflake game going
As an example women's road cycling is infinitely more interesting than men's as the races are shorter and punchier with more attacks. Men's racing is just adding a 100 miles of chat for no reason.
Plus tv sport scheduling has historically been controlled by men and mostly football fans so guess what we get, yep shut loads of men's football- probably the world's most tedious snowflake game going
As an example women's road cycling is infinitely more interesting than men's as the races are shorter and punchier with more attacks. Men's racing is just adding a 100 miles of chat for no reason.
captain_cynic said:
PWeston said:
Of course they shouldn't get the same pay. The only reason they do is third wave feminism and progressive "social justice". The market should decide what female tennis players earn and nothing else. The reality is that there probably isn't a male player in the top 500 that even the best female player in the world could beat.
Sadly there is zero point in even debating such seemingly straightforward issues nowadays. If you disagree with something all you can really do is vote with your wallet - which can be gratifying in its own little way!
You'll hate the free market solution then... Female tennis players already get better sponsorship deals than male ones.Sadly there is zero point in even debating such seemingly straightforward issues nowadays. If you disagree with something all you can really do is vote with your wallet - which can be gratifying in its own little way!
Racing rabbit said:
I think something like this was mentioned in the recent Aussie open.
Women were playing several 1-2hr games in a week, baking sunshine and 30+deg C.
Average male footballist gets a tired after chasing a ball round for 90mins on Saturday
so what why compare women tennis players to male soccer players? the male tennis players at the Aussie open are playing far more for the same pay!Women were playing several 1-2hr games in a week, baking sunshine and 30+deg C.
Average male footballist gets a tired after chasing a ball round for 90mins on Saturday
keirik said:
What you're all missing is the reason women's sport isn't as popular and that is because it has been in many cases, not allowed in the media or on channels no one can find. It's a self perpetuating situation. Women's sport isn't as popular so we don't show it so it isn't as popular.
Plus tv sport scheduling has historically been controlled by men and mostly football fans so guess what we get, yep shut loads of men's football- probably the world's most tedious snowflake game going
As an example women's road cycling is infinitely more interesting than men's as the races are shorter and punchier with more attacks. Men's racing is just adding a 100 miles of chat for no reason.
rubbish. there's a reason it hasn't he coverage as its generally a poor standard that no one wants to watch. Plus tv sport scheduling has historically been controlled by men and mostly football fans so guess what we get, yep shut loads of men's football- probably the world's most tedious snowflake game going
As an example women's road cycling is infinitely more interesting than men's as the races are shorter and punchier with more attacks. Men's racing is just adding a 100 miles of chat for no reason.
blaming the lack of popularity on the lack of coverage is hilarious!
Edited by theplayingmantis on Thursday 8th March 10:37
theplayingmantis said:
keirik said:
What you're all missing is the reason women's sport isn't as popular and that is because it has been in many cases, not allowed in the media or on channels no one can find. It's a self perpetuating situation. Women's sport isn't as popular so we don't show it so it isn't as popular.
Plus tv sport scheduling has historically been controlled by men and mostly football fans so guess what we get, yep shut loads of men's football- probably the world's most tedious snowflake game going
As an example women's road cycling is infinitely more interesting than men's as the races are shorter and punchier with more attacks. Men's racing is just adding a 100 miles of chat for no reason.
rubbishPlus tv sport scheduling has historically been controlled by men and mostly football fans so guess what we get, yep shut loads of men's football- probably the world's most tedious snowflake game going
As an example women's road cycling is infinitely more interesting than men's as the races are shorter and punchier with more attacks. Men's racing is just adding a 100 miles of chat for no reason.
Now why not toddle off back to your armchair and have a w
k over your latest favourite footballer.people watch a sport to be entertained by seeing it performed at a greater level and skillset than they themselves can perform. simple as that. people have no interest of watching it performed as a skillset that they can perform themselves or better, hence the popularity of woman's sport amongst spectators is low.
if there was a demand the media would cover it like a flash.
if there was a demand the media would cover it like a flash.
keirik said:
theplayingmantis said:
keirik said:
What you're all missing is the reason women's sport isn't as popular and that is because it has been in many cases, not allowed in the media or on channels no one can find. It's a self perpetuating situation. Women's sport isn't as popular so we don't show it so it isn't as popular.
Plus tv sport scheduling has historically been controlled by men and mostly football fans so guess what we get, yep shut loads of men's football- probably the world's most tedious snowflake game going
As an example women's road cycling is infinitely more interesting than men's as the races are shorter and punchier with more attacks. Men's racing is just adding a 100 miles of chat for no reason.
rubbishPlus tv sport scheduling has historically been controlled by men and mostly football fans so guess what we get, yep shut loads of men's football- probably the world's most tedious snowflake game going
As an example women's road cycling is infinitely more interesting than men's as the races are shorter and punchier with more attacks. Men's racing is just adding a 100 miles of chat for no reason.
Now why not toddle off back to your armchair and have a w
k over your latest favourite footballer.edit add in womens road cycling is another ridiculous example. its boring as hell its dominated by a dutch woman who wins when she can be bothered.
Edited by theplayingmantis on Thursday 8th March 10:43
kambites said:
Surely the solution to this is trivial - let them enter the men's competitions if they want to. Or if you really want to be nondiscriminatory abolish the idea of separate draws entirely.
That's probably a funny but good way of getting equality. I imagine for many sports they wouldn't win much money at all if this happened.Hoofy said:
kambites said:
Surely the solution to this is trivial - let them enter the men's competitions if they want to. Or if you really want to be nondiscriminatory abolish the idea of separate draws entirely.
That's probably a funny but good way of getting equality. I imagine for many sports they wouldn't win much money at all if this happened.a mixed field hockey team is about the only one i can think of that may have merit.
I am not really sure where I stand on this as I agree and uderstand the arguments from both sides.
Just to add a point to the tennis argument and length of time spent playing (3 sets instead of 5). Yes its winning matches that wins the prize money but also I am sure the hours/day/weeks/months of hard work training over many years is somethign we dont see and will be exactly the same for both men and women. This is the real work in being a pro athlete.
Just to add a point to the tennis argument and length of time spent playing (3 sets instead of 5). Yes its winning matches that wins the prize money but also I am sure the hours/day/weeks/months of hard work training over many years is somethign we dont see and will be exactly the same for both men and women. This is the real work in being a pro athlete.
sammyboy said:
I am not really sure where I stand on this as I agree and uderstand the arguments from both sides.
Just to add a point to the tennis argument and length of time spent playing (3 sets instead of 5). Yes its winning matches that wins the prize money but also I am sure the hours/day/weeks/months of hard work training over many years is somethign we dont see and will be exactly the same for both men and women. This is the real work in being a pro athlete.
yes but surely the market should drive it? womens tennis is to me boring, constant boring base line rally's with the biggest hitters usually winning. mens isn't much better but now there a bit of variety in it. trying to get a ticket for the womens final at all GS's other than wimbledon at short notice isnt that hard. The mens, no chance.Just to add a point to the tennis argument and length of time spent playing (3 sets instead of 5). Yes its winning matches that wins the prize money but also I am sure the hours/day/weeks/months of hard work training over many years is somethign we dont see and will be exactly the same for both men and women. This is the real work in being a pro athlete.
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