why the hatred for Stu Barnes?
Discussion
irocfan said:
I realise that theguy can be a bit irritating from time to time and he's certainly not as good as Brian Moore but the sheer invective I hear against himis surprising. I guess it's all down to preferences - my own MDP (most disliked pundit) has to be guscott
Because he's a hateful little plum that takes any opportunity to put the England team down - for example on Daly's try clearly pushing for the ball to be in touch, for Hooper's disallowed try 'Nigel Owens would have given that try'He's also a dick in person according to some people I know who have worked with him - I've never met him, so can't really place much weight on this bit
wsurfa said:
irocfan said:
I realise that theguy can be a bit irritating from time to time and he's certainly not as good as Brian Moore but the sheer invective I hear against himis surprising. I guess it's all down to preferences - my own MDP (most disliked pundit) has to be guscott
Because he's a hateful little plum that takes any opportunity to put the England team down - for example on Daly's try clearly pushing for the ball to be in touch, for Hooper's disallowed try 'Nigel Owens would have given that try'He's also a dick in person according to some people I know who have worked with him - I've never met him, so can't really place much weight on this bit
Barnes had irritated me for some time but I sort of accepted it and the excitement of what he would criticise of an England try added to the fun. But then BT got premiership rugby and their team showed him up.
What got me yesterday was his criticism of the decision not to allow the second Australian disallowed try. He went on about it.
What got me yesterday was his criticism of the decision not to allow the second Australian disallowed try. He went on about it.
It was probably because Australia ‘deserved’ both disallowed tries, through playing good rugby. That doesn’t mean they should be awarded them. Their handling was dreadful. They were monumentally unlucky yesterday, on several counts. Pundits, press and rugby public realise that and whist England won, there’s a definite hollowness about it.
Give them a dry day, and a fair rub if green, different story entirely.
Give them a dry day, and a fair rub if green, different story entirely.
Robbo66 said:
It was probably because Australia ‘deserved’ both disallowed tries, through playing good rugby. That doesn’t mean they should be awarded them. Their handling was dreadful. They were monumentally unlucky yesterday, on several counts. Pundits, press and rugby public realise that and whist England won, there’s a definite hollowness about it.
Give them a dry day, and a fair rub if green, different story entirely.
I think I see what you mean. Is it that the score did not reward the good play?Give them a dry day, and a fair rub if green, different story entirely.
There was some poor play from the Aussies at critical times though.
They did not 'deserve' the second try. It was a deliberate attempt at blocking the tackler. Had he not done so and instead pushed from behind it would probably have been a clear try. I don't see blocking a defender as cool, well at least not so obviously, especially on the line. All rather silly.
As for the first disallowed try, again it was poor play. In the modern game, what with TMOs and such, it was pointless in more way than one to run towards the ball from an offside position, even if you do later drop behind the kicker later. Amateur in fact; not a bad way to ensure a try is disallowed.
Give Australia a dry day? What, like last year? It was closer but still the same story. The fact that it was a record win is immaterial in an international; a win is all that matters, and that's what England looked like securing all the way through.
What's hollow about it? Three tries in 10 mins. That's some going in an international. Australia's tactic, at least in the second half, seemed to be to keep hold of the ball but you get no points for possession. Every time England got the ball, they were a threat. There was some great kicking from England, a good tactic given the conditions, and given the abilities of our from hand kickers.
I will accept that England frequently grinds out a win, but then the opposition often comes with a game plan. We are the ones to beat in the northern hemisphere, and in much, almost all, of the southern.
Nah! A win is a win.
I fear Barnes has become a bit of a pantomime villain who is kept on as his endless rubbish generates social media comments and interest post game. Its clear he is unpopular with a number of current and former players. I think partly its a case of any publicity is good publicity. Personally I find the BT sport team to be much better and do love a fired up Brian Moore on the commentary.
Some of the kiwi commentators are comically biased at times which is annoying and amusing in equal measure.
Regarding England they got the job done in crap conditions and were dangerous right up to the 80 mins so exactly what you want from a team. Had there been no TMO you could understand Aussie being upset but both "tries" had clear and undeniable reasons for being disallowed so no argument or controversy there.
I cant ever recall an international team going uncontested so really feel Georgia were cheated out of what could have been a dominant last scrum.
?? well France did it to us so its our turn to do it to someone else in extra time.
Some of the kiwi commentators are comically biased at times which is annoying and amusing in equal measure.
Regarding England they got the job done in crap conditions and were dangerous right up to the 80 mins so exactly what you want from a team. Had there been no TMO you could understand Aussie being upset but both "tries" had clear and undeniable reasons for being disallowed so no argument or controversy there.
I cant ever recall an international team going uncontested so really feel Georgia were cheated out of what could have been a dominant last scrum.
?? well France did it to us so its our turn to do it to someone else in extra time.
Derek Smith said:
I think I see what you mean. Is it that the score did not reward the good play?
There was some poor play from the Aussies at critical times though.
They did not 'deserve' the second try. It was a deliberate attempt at blocking the tackler. Had he not done so and instead pushed from behind it would probably have been a clear try. I don't see blocking a defender as cool, well at least not so obviously, especially on the line. All rather silly.
As for the first disallowed try, again it was poor play. In the modern game, what with TMOs and such, it was pointless in more way than one to run towards the ball from an offside position, even if you do later drop behind the kicker later. Amateur in fact; not a bad way to ensure a try is disallowed.
Give Australia a dry day? What, like last year? It was closer but still the same story. The fact that it was a record win is immaterial in an international; a win is all that matters, and that's what England looked like securing all the way through.
What's hollow about it? Three tries in 10 mins. That's some going in an international. Australia's tactic, at least in the second half, seemed to be to keep hold of the ball but you get no points for possession. Every time England got the ball, they were a threat. There was some great kicking from England, a good tactic given the conditions, and given the abilities of our from hand kickers.
I will accept that England frequently grinds out a win, but then the opposition often comes with a game plan. We are the ones to beat in the northern hemisphere, and in much, almost all, of the southern.
Nah! A win is a win.
Yes, in essence. I don’t think I’ve ever seen a game where the rub of the green has gone entirely one sides way. Hooper sin binned, then Beal too. Australia had given up, which surprised me, for the last 2 tries. Disagree re the blocking. It’s sport, it happens but this looks and feels a hollow victory, particularly looking at a score line like that.There was some poor play from the Aussies at critical times though.
They did not 'deserve' the second try. It was a deliberate attempt at blocking the tackler. Had he not done so and instead pushed from behind it would probably have been a clear try. I don't see blocking a defender as cool, well at least not so obviously, especially on the line. All rather silly.
As for the first disallowed try, again it was poor play. In the modern game, what with TMOs and such, it was pointless in more way than one to run towards the ball from an offside position, even if you do later drop behind the kicker later. Amateur in fact; not a bad way to ensure a try is disallowed.
Give Australia a dry day? What, like last year? It was closer but still the same story. The fact that it was a record win is immaterial in an international; a win is all that matters, and that's what England looked like securing all the way through.
What's hollow about it? Three tries in 10 mins. That's some going in an international. Australia's tactic, at least in the second half, seemed to be to keep hold of the ball but you get no points for possession. Every time England got the ball, they were a threat. There was some great kicking from England, a good tactic given the conditions, and given the abilities of our from hand kickers.
I will accept that England frequently grinds out a win, but then the opposition often comes with a game plan. We are the ones to beat in the northern hemisphere, and in much, almost all, of the southern.
Nah! A win is a win.
I’m just back from Aus and involved with sport there, Union is so far down the priority list there it’s almost non existent with AFL and NRL ruling the roost. The strength in in depth is tiny, almost Welsh levels, compared with Englands, however the skill level remains higher per individual IMV. Kepu was my MOTM.
England should win the RWC, a travesty if they didn’t with all the financial support and depth.
Wales are a mess, Georgia deserved it. As spectacles, both couldn’t hold a Candle to the Scots match.
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