Alberto Salazar
Discussion
Two biggest challenges for WADA at the moment are micro-dosing and misuse of TUEs. The concerns about the Salazar group playing fast-and-loose with the TUEs have been circulating in the athletics world for a long time.
Big respect to Kara Goucher for speaking out as she's still in the world of US athletics where Salazar holds a lot of power.
Big respect to Kara Goucher for speaking out as she's still in the world of US athletics where Salazar holds a lot of power.
It was really frightening to see in the Panorama programme how easy it was for someone to order EPO on the Internet and it not be detected in the passport drugs test.
I have always believed that those hero athletes, Farah, Bolt, Phelps are totally clean but more and more and no longer so sure.
Also, whilst its obviously terrible for professional sport it also makes me wonder about amateur sports. Next time I line up for a mass start swim it will make me wonder how many people around me are juiced up to the eye balls.
I have always believed that those hero athletes, Farah, Bolt, Phelps are totally clean but more and more and no longer so sure.
Also, whilst its obviously terrible for professional sport it also makes me wonder about amateur sports. Next time I line up for a mass start swim it will make me wonder how many people around me are juiced up to the eye balls.
Having seen how easy it is to get EPO I wonder how many amateur athletes will be thinking "I could do that..." 
The biological passport is designed to work over much longer timeframes than Daly's experiment - I think he was providing the absolute minimum data to create a passport. The longitudinal analysis is meant to work over months and years. How they cope with micro-dosing is a serious and difficult question for WADA.
The biological passport is designed to work over much longer timeframes than Daly's experiment - I think he was providing the absolute minimum data to create a passport. The longitudinal analysis is meant to work over months and years. How they cope with micro-dosing is a serious and difficult question for WADA.
ewenm said:
Having seen how easy it is to get EPO I wonder how many amateur athletes will be thinking "I could do that..."
There was an article somewhere recently, either in Men's Health or one of the triathlon magazines reporting that EPO doping in amateur cycling in particular was rife.Next time I get beaten I will just assuming they are cheating :-)
944fan said:
ewenm said:
Having seen how easy it is to get EPO I wonder how many amateur athletes will be thinking "I could do that..."
There was an article somewhere recently, either in Men's Health or one of the triathlon magazines reporting that EPO doping in amateur cycling in particular was rife.Next time I get beaten I will just assuming they are cheating :-)
ewenm said:
Having seen how easy it is to get EPO I wonder how many amateur athletes will be thinking "I could do that..."
I did/(do) compete in track and field. Represented Welsh school boys at 100m and 200m events where the other bloke competing from West Wales was quite open to the fact he took steroids. At 15 years old no one really took him seriously until about 5 years later he failed a drugs test at professional club rugby level.I have no doubt teenagers/amateurs in all sports these days take numerous easily accessible gear/EPO with a view to improve performance. A lot of folk in the gym are also quite vocal about the fact they can bench 150 with steroids.
mcelliott said:
Not superhero Mo surely not. Best buddy implicated in doping scandal - bloke that coaches him involved in a doping scandal. No way, not our Mo. Partakes in a sport rife with drug taking, surrounded by dopers, yet he beats them clean! Move along, nothing to see here.
The WADA bloke on the telly the other day said they'd had their eye on the (nike) Oregon project for a while.
dickymint said:
Mo has pulled out of todays Diamond League 1500m ......... just saying!
On the other hand Farah had no need to be racing today, it's not at his preferred distance, he doesn't need the prize or appearance money.Tired and emotional athlete decides to skip non-necessary race to go back to his family and sort issues with his coach doesn't seem so dodgy?
cookie118 said:
dickymint said:
Mo has pulled out of todays Diamond League 1500m ......... just saying!
On the other hand Farah had no need to be racing today, it's not at his preferred distance, he doesn't need the prize or appearance money.Tired and emotional athlete decides to skip non-necessary race to go back to his family and sort issues with his coach doesn't seem so dodgy?
944fan said:
It was really frightening to see in the Panorama programme how easy it was for someone to order EPO on the Internet and it not be detected in the passport drugs test.
I have always believed that those hero athletes, Farah, Bolt, Phelps are totally clean but more and more and no longer so sure.
Also, whilst its obviously terrible for professional sport it also makes me wonder about amateur sports. Next time I line up for a mass start swim it will make me wonder how many people around me are juiced up to the eye balls.
I don't think Phelps would be doping. At least I hope not. His genetics are immense enough alone! I know he cleaned up on a lot of events, but he never seemed absolutely unbeatable to me. Even when he won 8 golds, he very nearly didn't....that 100 Fly could have be Cielo's if only he had another mm on his fingernails. And after that, Phelps has been caught and surpassed in some events pretty rapidly.I have always believed that those hero athletes, Farah, Bolt, Phelps are totally clean but more and more and no longer so sure.
Also, whilst its obviously terrible for professional sport it also makes me wonder about amateur sports. Next time I line up for a mass start swim it will make me wonder how many people around me are juiced up to the eye balls.
Not sure how prevalent doping is in swimming. It must go on, but I rarely hear of anyone being caught. I know the east germans did it a long time ago. The Chinese must do it, I mean if you watch the 400 IM womens race, that little Chinese lass absolutely destroyed everyone! She even did the final 100 freestyle faster than Ryan Lochte did his! That looked completely un-natural.
EDIT: Having said I haven't heard of any swimming doping stuff....a quick google reveals the likes of Effimova and Park Tae-Hwan being embroiled in doping allegations. Learning every day.
Edited by Otispunkmeyer on Monday 8th June 13:24
mcelliott said:
Not superhero Mo surely not. Best buddy implicated in doping scandal - bloke that coaches him involved in a doping scandal. No way, not our Mo. Partakes in a sport rife with drug taking, surrounded by dopers, yet he beats them clean! Move along, nothing to see here.
The issue is that Athletics has the most rigorous testing of any sport. If the stones were turned over in other sports the results would raise a few eyebrows.When he went to America he was an under performing athlete. He has benefited from the best support available along with the most advanced training regime. Primarily that is why he has succeeded.IMO he should have raced yesterday. By going back to America he looks like he is running away.
Mark13 said:
The issue is that Athletics has the most rigorous testing of any sport. If the stones were turned over in other sports the results would raise a few eyebrows.When he went to America he was an under performing athlete. He has benefited from the best support available along with the most advanced training regime. Primarily that is why he has succeeded.
IMO he should have raced yesterday. By going back to America he looks like he is running away.
Abolutely on the other sports-what also really frustrates me is that in athletics someone only has to be associated with someone who is alleged to have doped and they face a barrage of questions and their legacy and achievements are constantly questioned, yet in other sports they aren't. For example when Rio Ferdinand retired it was all 'great footballer' etc, bit no mention of the fact he deliberately missed a drugs test. OK his career ended in sad circumstances but the fact his copybook appears unblotted by this is infurating to me as an athletics fan!!IMO he should have raced yesterday. By going back to America he looks like he is running away.
ewenm said:
I wasn't at all surprised when I heard Farah had pulled out of the race. The timing of the broadcast of Panorama practically guaranteed that outcome and interestingly was "a change to the billed program"... I certainly wouldn't relish facing the barrage of questions from the media asking Farah to prove his innocence.
The meeting didn't suffer too much as a result though-me and my girlfriend went and we were treated to a humungous javelin throw by Julius Yego and several other very good races. The crowd still seeemed to have a great day!I'm really pissed at the BBC for the timimg of it and the way they have treated athletics this season. They glorify their whole #getinspired thing and then relegate the diamond league to highlights only, with the only primetime athletics so far this year the doping documentary.
cookie118 said:
Mark13 said:
The meeting didn't suffer too much as a result though-me and my girlfriend went and we were treated to a humungous javelin throw by Julius Yego and several other very good races. The crowd still seeemed to have a great day!
I'm really pissed at the BBC for the timimg of it and the way they have treated athletics this season. They glorify their whole #getinspired thing and then relegate the diamond league to highlights only, with the only primetime athletics so far this year the doping documentary.
I think we are going to get all the Diamond league events live next year on the Beeb.I'm really pissed at the BBC for the timimg of it and the way they have treated athletics this season. They glorify their whole #getinspired thing and then relegate the diamond league to highlights only, with the only primetime athletics so far this year the doping documentary.
Superb throw by Yego ---pity about the accuracy.
jbudgie said:
cookie118 said:
The meeting didn't suffer too much as a result though-me and my girlfriend went and we were treated to a humungous javelin throw by Julius Yego and several other very good races. The crowd still seeemed to have a great day!
I'm really pissed at the BBC for the timimg of it and the way they have treated athletics this season. They glorify their whole #getinspired thing and then relegate the diamond league to highlights only, with the only primetime athletics so far this year the doping documentary.
I think we are going to get all the Diamond league events live next year on the Beeb.I'm really pissed at the BBC for the timimg of it and the way they have treated athletics this season. They glorify their whole #getinspired thing and then relegate the diamond league to highlights only, with the only primetime athletics so far this year the doping documentary.
Superb throw by Yego ---pity about the accuracy.
The throw was eventually ruled in-not quite sure why but found out when we were in the car park. We were a bit worried about the finish line officials though-it looked a bit too close for comfort from our seats!
ewenm said:
Another "not surprised" article: http://www.runnersworld.com/elite-runners/former-n...
Interesting what is said about lack of testing in some countries.Gassing Station | Sports | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff