World Record or the gold medal?

World Record or the gold medal?

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Otispunkmeyer

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12,884 posts

160 months

Saturday 3rd August 2013
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Watching the swimming and in the womens 200 m breast stroke, Denmark's Rikke Moller Pedersen broke the WR semis but failed to convert it to a win in the final, losing out to Russian Efimova. Neither coming in under WR.

This begs the question. Which would you rather have? Title of world champ for 2 years or the possibility of being known as the fastest ever for some undetermined amount of time?

London424

12,896 posts

180 months

Saturday 3rd August 2013
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Gold medal...that will never be taken away or replaced. Someone could break the record next week and no one will remember that in 10 years.

clarkmagpie

3,582 posts

200 months

Saturday 3rd August 2013
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London424 said:
Gold medal...that will never be taken away or replaced. Someone could break the record next week and no one will remember that in 10 years.
Yep, exactly that.

Otispunkmeyer

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12,884 posts

160 months

Saturday 3rd August 2013
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clarkmagpie said:
London424 said:
Gold medal...that will never be taken away or replaced. Someone could break the record next week and no one will remember that in 10 years.
Yep, exactly that.
That's the trade off though because equally, if you were the grant Hackett type, your WR could last the best part of a decade. In fact his WR even survived the super suits era (which I fear has put some WRs almost out of reach)

Terminator X

15,885 posts

209 months

Saturday 3rd August 2013
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WR for me, for a short time you're the fastest of 7bn people ffs!

TX.

mikebradford

2,641 posts

150 months

Saturday 3rd August 2013
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WR record for me
seen a few events where people have won, and you know straight away it is underminded as commenst about other athletes not being there etc.
agree you can only beat who turns up against you to compete. but on occasions this may not be the other best in the world

where as a WR is directly related to all others past and present

again as mentioned this record may only last for minutes as others may beat it
but it also could last for years

how many gold medal winners are compared to those from the past, and arguements made that they are not as good
but a WR clearly states for that moment in time you have no equal

Cybertronian

1,516 posts

168 months

Monday 5th August 2013
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In an ideal world, the world record holder would also be the reigning gold medal Olympian as is the case with Usain Bolt.

As others have said, this is rarely the case. Olympic selection committees, particularly for the African nations in running have a criteria where the world record holder has often been overlooked for a place on the Olympic team in favour of somebody who may have won a qualifying race. So somebody may be the fastest in the world but is denied the opportunity to also earn a medal.

Paula Radcliffe is the long-time women's marathon world record holder with her nearest contender still minutes away from matching her time. Despite the accolade of the world record, she's sorely disappointed that she'll now never know the glory of earning an Olympic medal, despite many attempts over the years.

Highway Star

3,590 posts

236 months

Monday 5th August 2013
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From the look on Pedersen's face after the final, she certainly valued gold over the WR.

For me at that age it would be the medal too, there are plenty of meets to break a WR, but only one to win a WC or Olympic gold.

Now, when swimming, I still like to win if I can, but to be honest the ongoing battle against time has become the main challenge!

ewenm

28,506 posts

250 months

Monday 5th August 2013
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Cybertronian said:
In an ideal world, the world record holder would also be the reigning gold medal Olympian as is the case with Usain Bolt.

As others have said, this is rarely the case. Olympic selection committees, particularly for the African nations in running have a criteria where the world record holder has often been overlooked for a place on the Olympic team in favour of somebody who may have won a qualifying race. So somebody may be the fastest in the world but is denied the opportunity to also earn a medal.

Paula Radcliffe is the long-time women's marathon world record holder with her nearest contender still minutes away from matching her time. Despite the accolade of the world record, she's sorely disappointed that she'll now never know the glory of earning an Olympic medal, despite many attempts over the years.
Also in distance running, records are set in pacemade "races" where everyone hammers along behind the pacers until the last few laps. Medals are won in real races where you need tactics, change of pace, positional awareness, without the benefit of someone else to do the pacing. I'd take Olympic Gold over a World Record.

Otispunkmeyer

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12,884 posts

160 months

Monday 5th August 2013
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Heh I guess that would be the next question. Assuming you'd want the medal over the WR. Which medal ? A world championship or Olympic?

I think I'd have the Olympic medal.

hornetrider

63,161 posts

210 months

Monday 5th August 2013
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clarkmagpie said:
London424 said:
Gold medal...that will never be taken away or replaced. Someone could break the record next week and no one will remember that in 10 years.
Yep, exactly that.
Yup.

XCP

17,113 posts

233 months

Tuesday 6th August 2013
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Otispunkmeyer said:
Heh I guess that would be the next question. Assuming you'd want the medal over the WR. Which medal ? A world championship or Olympic?

I think I'd have the Olympic medal.
Me too.

BlackVanDyke

9,932 posts

216 months

Thursday 15th August 2013
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XCP said:
Otispunkmeyer said:
Heh I guess that would be the next question. Assuming you'd want the medal over the WR. Which medal ? A world championship or Olympic?

I think I'd have the Olympic medal.
Me too.
yes There's something special about the Olympics/Paralympics.

MrB1obby

771 posts

155 months

Thursday 15th August 2013
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ash73 said:
Who cares who else remembers? With a WR you'd know on that day you delivered a perfect performance, that's all that matters in any sport, imho. Smashing your PB as you collapse over the line in 3rd is a better memory than having a bad day and cruising to victory, to me at least.
yes

Spot on.

anonymous-user

59 months

Thursday 15th August 2013
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Otispunkmeyer said:
Heh I guess that would be the next question. Assuming you'd want the medal over the WR. Which medal ? A world championship or Olympic?

I think I'd have the Olympic medal.
depends on the sport, in cycling terms, I'd much rather wear the rainbow jersey for a year than win olympic gold, if i was an athlete, i'd go with an olympic gold.

As for a WR vs a gold medal, I'd happily take the medal. Records can be won and lost in seconds, didnt Lewis jump a WR with an illegal wind only for Powell to go further with a legal wind in the very next round at the same event? sure Lewis won plenty of other things but what if he had'nt? for about 3 minutes he was the wolrd record holder then he is wiped of the books and a new name inserted?

With a gold medal, you can say that on that day, you were the best in the world and no one can take that accolade away from you. You can only compete against the other people in the race.

MrB1obby

771 posts

155 months

Thursday 15th August 2013
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pablo said:
As for a WR vs a gold medal, I'd happily take the medal. Records can be won and lost in seconds, didnt Lewis jump a WR with an illegal wind only for Powell to go further with a legal wind in the very next round at the same event? sure Lewis won plenty of other things but what if he had'nt? for about 3 minutes he was the wolrd record holder then he is wiped of the books and a new name inserted?
That's why you need to deliver a performance which is undeniably astonishing. If you do that, you will be a record holder for a long time until someone comes along with another performance of similar 'perfectness'.

anonymous-user

59 months

Friday 16th August 2013
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MrB1obby said:
pablo said:
As for a WR vs a gold medal, I'd happily take the medal. Records can be won and lost in seconds, didnt Lewis jump a WR with an illegal wind only for Powell to go further with a legal wind in the very next round at the same event? sure Lewis won plenty of other things but what if he had'nt? for about 3 minutes he was the wolrd record holder then he is wiped of the books and a new name inserted?
That's why you need to deliver a performance which is undeniably astonishing. If you do that, you will be a record holder for a long time until someone comes along with another performance of similar 'perfectness'.
I understand that but I think there is one fundamental issue that sets medals apart from records, the Olympic finals are just one day every four years, to win that medal you have to prepare yourself over 4 years previous to deliver in anything down to a 10 second window. You have to perform better than anyone else on that one day whereas a World Record can be set at any time that suits you, you can pick a fast track (for sprinters), the day with a favourable wind (for jumpers), the day that you are in peak condition compared to the rest of the field and so on...

The jiffle king

7,010 posts

263 months

Friday 16th August 2013
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For me, Olympic Gold.

If it was world championship gold, then I´d probably still go for that, but it would be much closer with world record

irocfan

41,847 posts

195 months

Friday 16th August 2013
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Olympic gold here. As an example for why (those who're old enough) 1980 Moscow who was the GM winner? Who was the then WR holder? That being said Mexico 1968 Bob Beamon - best of both choices, though as has been mentioned the WR is someone else's now

Randy Winkman

17,207 posts

194 months

Friday 16th August 2013
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I'm with the majority here.

But, just for interest, Christine Ohuruogo was particularly pleased to break the UK 400 meters record when she won gold the other day. Perhaps because i) the record has stood for ages ii) She doesn't think anyone will take it from her for ages iii) She already has medals.