First Golf Bats - Advice
Discussion
Hi all,
Just wondering what your opinions are on these?
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Wilson-Ultra-MOI-Full-Go...
They are Wilson Ultra MOI clubs, it would be my first set and I'm not looking to spend much money to be honest. I suppose I'm asking just how bad they are to be honest
Let me know if any of you have used/own a set!
Cheers, Matt.
Just wondering what your opinions are on these?
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Wilson-Ultra-MOI-Full-Go...
They are Wilson Ultra MOI clubs, it would be my first set and I'm not looking to spend much money to be honest. I suppose I'm asking just how bad they are to be honest
Let me know if any of you have used/own a set!
Cheers, Matt.
It's not a bad first set, but you will probably want to be upgrading pretty quickly. So as others have said have a look at second hand clubs. In all honesty it wont really matter what you use if you are a genuine beginner.
You'll soon get an idea for what you need to upgrade.
Don't listen to anyone who tells you a driver is hard to hit. Modern drivers are the easiest clubs in the bag to hit these days.
Oh, and someone will be along in a minute to tell you you need a grands worth of custom fit gear.
You'll soon get an idea for what you need to upgrade.
Don't listen to anyone who tells you a driver is hard to hit. Modern drivers are the easiest clubs in the bag to hit these days.
Oh, and someone will be along in a minute to tell you you need a grands worth of custom fit gear.
28Valves said:
It's not a bad first set, but you will probably want to be upgrading pretty quickly. So as others have said have a look at second hand clubs. In all honesty it wont really matter what you use if you are a genuine beginner.
You'll soon get an idea for what you need to upgrade.
Don't listen to anyone who tells you a driver is hard to hit. Modern drivers are the easiest clubs in the bag to hit these days.
Oh, and someone will be along in a minute to tell you you need a grands worth of custom fit gear.
You can listen to me if you like. Drivers ARE hard to hit.You'll soon get an idea for what you need to upgrade.
Don't listen to anyone who tells you a driver is hard to hit. Modern drivers are the easiest clubs in the bag to hit these days.
Oh, and someone will be along in a minute to tell you you need a grands worth of custom fit gear.
It's the longest, lightest, whippiest and steepest club in the bag. There's nothing easy about that.
When things are tight, the world's best players hit an iron off the tee. That suggests the driver perhaps ISN'T the easiest club in the bag...
Giving a beginner a driver is like giving a 17 year old a Ferrari. They can't use it properly, and are very likely to do themselves more harm than good.
Until you can play to c.12, a driver will cost you more shots than it saves you. It will also mean you spend a lot of time trudging around in the cabbage. That isn't much fun.
SpeckledJim said:
28Valves said:
It's not a bad first set, but you will probably want to be upgrading pretty quickly. So as others have said have a look at second hand clubs. In all honesty it wont really matter what you use if you are a genuine beginner.
You'll soon get an idea for what you need to upgrade.
Don't listen to anyone who tells you a driver is hard to hit. Modern drivers are the easiest clubs in the bag to hit these days.
Oh, and someone will be along in a minute to tell you you need a grands worth of custom fit gear.
You can listen to me if you like. Drivers ARE hard to hit.You'll soon get an idea for what you need to upgrade.
Don't listen to anyone who tells you a driver is hard to hit. Modern drivers are the easiest clubs in the bag to hit these days.
Oh, and someone will be along in a minute to tell you you need a grands worth of custom fit gear.
It's the longest, lightest, whippiest and steepest club in the bag. There's nothing easy about that.
When things are tight, the world's best players hit an iron off the tee. That suggests the driver perhaps ISN'T the easiest club in the bag...
Giving a beginner a driver is like giving a 17 year old a Ferrari. They can't use it properly, and are very likely to do themselves more harm than good.
Until you can play to c.12, a driver will cost you more shots than it saves you. It will also mean you spend a lot of time trudging around in the cabbage. That isn't much fun.
If your driver is the lightest, whippiest and steepest then I would suggest you get one that is set up correctly for you.
I play off 15 and hit driver on most holes. I average 65% in driving accuracy. Most of my fairway misses are in the light rough. (I can't putt for s
t though) My driving accuracy went up massively when I swapped the stock 55 gram shaft for a 95 gram one.
Most people tee the ball up far too low when hitting the driver which doesn't help.
28Valves said:
SpeckledJim said:
28Valves said:
It's not a bad first set, but you will probably want to be upgrading pretty quickly. So as others have said have a look at second hand clubs. In all honesty it wont really matter what you use if you are a genuine beginner.
You'll soon get an idea for what you need to upgrade.
Don't listen to anyone who tells you a driver is hard to hit. Modern drivers are the easiest clubs in the bag to hit these days.
Oh, and someone will be along in a minute to tell you you need a grands worth of custom fit gear.
You can listen to me if you like. Drivers ARE hard to hit.You'll soon get an idea for what you need to upgrade.
Don't listen to anyone who tells you a driver is hard to hit. Modern drivers are the easiest clubs in the bag to hit these days.
Oh, and someone will be along in a minute to tell you you need a grands worth of custom fit gear.
It's the longest, lightest, whippiest and steepest club in the bag. There's nothing easy about that.
When things are tight, the world's best players hit an iron off the tee. That suggests the driver perhaps ISN'T the easiest club in the bag...
Giving a beginner a driver is like giving a 17 year old a Ferrari. They can't use it properly, and are very likely to do themselves more harm than good.
Until you can play to c.12, a driver will cost you more shots than it saves you. It will also mean you spend a lot of time trudging around in the cabbage. That isn't much fun.
If your driver is the lightest, whippiest and steepest then I would suggest you get one that is set up correctly for you.
I play off 15 and hit driver on most holes. I average 65% in driving accuracy. Most of my fairway misses are in the light rough. (I can't putt for s
t though) My driving accuracy went up massively when I swapped the stock 55 gram shaft for a 95 gram one.
Most people tee the ball up far too low when hitting the driver which doesn't help.
What would your driving accuracy be with a 3-wood or 3H? 80%? What would your GIR be if you were playing 20% more of your approach shots from the fairway instead of the rough? How many times would you put a 3H out of bounds or lost?
SpeckledJim said:
28Valves said:
SpeckledJim said:
28Valves said:
It's not a bad first set, but you will probably want to be upgrading pretty quickly. So as others have said have a look at second hand clubs. In all honesty it wont really matter what you use if you are a genuine beginner.
You'll soon get an idea for what you need to upgrade.
Don't listen to anyone who tells you a driver is hard to hit. Modern drivers are the easiest clubs in the bag to hit these days.
Oh, and someone will be along in a minute to tell you you need a grands worth of custom fit gear.
You can listen to me if you like. Drivers ARE hard to hit.You'll soon get an idea for what you need to upgrade.
Don't listen to anyone who tells you a driver is hard to hit. Modern drivers are the easiest clubs in the bag to hit these days.
Oh, and someone will be along in a minute to tell you you need a grands worth of custom fit gear.
It's the longest, lightest, whippiest and steepest club in the bag. There's nothing easy about that.
When things are tight, the world's best players hit an iron off the tee. That suggests the driver perhaps ISN'T the easiest club in the bag...
Giving a beginner a driver is like giving a 17 year old a Ferrari. They can't use it properly, and are very likely to do themselves more harm than good.
Until you can play to c.12, a driver will cost you more shots than it saves you. It will also mean you spend a lot of time trudging around in the cabbage. That isn't much fun.
If your driver is the lightest, whippiest and steepest then I would suggest you get one that is set up correctly for you.
I play off 15 and hit driver on most holes. I average 65% in driving accuracy. Most of my fairway misses are in the light rough. (I can't putt for s
t though) My driving accuracy went up massively when I swapped the stock 55 gram shaft for a 95 gram one.
Most people tee the ball up far too low when hitting the driver which doesn't help.
What would your driving accuracy be with a 3-wood or 3H? 80%? What would your GIR be if you were playing 20% more of your approach shots from the fairway instead of the rough? How many times would you put a 3H out of bounds or lost?
My 3 wood and 3h are lighter and are more whippy. That will be rectified soon though.
I would much rather be hitting 2/3 clubs less from light rough than hitting longer clubs from the middle of the fairway, and I suspect most amatures woud hit more greens with 7 irons than they would 5 irons for example. Even from the light rough.
Now, if you are playing an extreemly tight short hole an iron may be required, but I see it every round where one of my partners will hit a 4 iton off the tee only to hit it into trouble.
Hitting 80% of fairways would make you 8% better than the most accurate driver on the PGA Tour.
Im not trolling BTW, just offering a different point of view on driving. Get used to hitting one from the very start and you don't have to worry about it again.
28Valves said:
SpeckledJim said:
28Valves said:
SpeckledJim said:
28Valves said:
It's not a bad first set, but you will probably want to be upgrading pretty quickly. So as others have said have a look at second hand clubs. In all honesty it wont really matter what you use if you are a genuine beginner.
You'll soon get an idea for what you need to upgrade.
Don't listen to anyone who tells you a driver is hard to hit. Modern drivers are the easiest clubs in the bag to hit these days.
Oh, and someone will be along in a minute to tell you you need a grands worth of custom fit gear.
You can listen to me if you like. Drivers ARE hard to hit.You'll soon get an idea for what you need to upgrade.
Don't listen to anyone who tells you a driver is hard to hit. Modern drivers are the easiest clubs in the bag to hit these days.
Oh, and someone will be along in a minute to tell you you need a grands worth of custom fit gear.
It's the longest, lightest, whippiest and steepest club in the bag. There's nothing easy about that.
When things are tight, the world's best players hit an iron off the tee. That suggests the driver perhaps ISN'T the easiest club in the bag...
Giving a beginner a driver is like giving a 17 year old a Ferrari. They can't use it properly, and are very likely to do themselves more harm than good.
Until you can play to c.12, a driver will cost you more shots than it saves you. It will also mean you spend a lot of time trudging around in the cabbage. That isn't much fun.
If your driver is the lightest, whippiest and steepest then I would suggest you get one that is set up correctly for you.
I play off 15 and hit driver on most holes. I average 65% in driving accuracy. Most of my fairway misses are in the light rough. (I can't putt for s
t though) My driving accuracy went up massively when I swapped the stock 55 gram shaft for a 95 gram one.
Most people tee the ball up far too low when hitting the driver which doesn't help.
What would your driving accuracy be with a 3-wood or 3H? 80%? What would your GIR be if you were playing 20% more of your approach shots from the fairway instead of the rough? How many times would you put a 3H out of bounds or lost?
My 3 wood and 3h are lighter and are more whippy. That will be rectified soon though.
I would much rather be hitting 2/3 clubs less from light rough than hitting longer clubs from the middle of the fairway, and I suspect most amatures woud hit more greens with 7 irons than they would 5 irons for example. Even from the light rough.
Now, if you are playing an extreemly tight short hole an iron may be required, but I see it every round where one of my partners will hit a 4 iton off the tee only to hit it into trouble.
Hitting 80% of fairways would make you 8% better than the most accurate driver on the PGA Tour.
Im not trolling BTW, just offering a different point of view on driving. Get used to hitting one from the very start and you don't have to worry about it again.
By 'steeper' I mean 'least-lofted'. There's no question that decreasing loft increases difficulty, as you need a pure strike to get the ball up, and a less lofted face imparts more sidespin, exacerbating slice and hook. Compounded with a higher impact speed and a driver is by far the most erratic club in the bag.
There are players (lucky players) who because of their particular swing mechanics find a driver easier than, say, a wedge, but they are rare. All the physics of the situation line-up to make a driver difficult.
Holy quotathon batman.
I play off 18, and 65% fairways hit sounds crap to me, that's what, 9.5 out of 15 assuming you've got 3 par 3's. if consider hitting a 3 wood and going for 80%+ fairways. I think you'd see our score improve. In my experience, and I conceded I'm not exactly Tom Watson when it comes to golf experience, a 3 wood isn't far behind a driver so it's better for most people.
Might all be crap of course, but it works for me, in fact the longest club I carry at the moment is a 5 wood which goes about 200 yds, straight, and keeps me happy.
I play off 18, and 65% fairways hit sounds crap to me, that's what, 9.5 out of 15 assuming you've got 3 par 3's. if consider hitting a 3 wood and going for 80%+ fairways. I think you'd see our score improve. In my experience, and I conceded I'm not exactly Tom Watson when it comes to golf experience, a 3 wood isn't far behind a driver so it's better for most people.
Might all be crap of course, but it works for me, in fact the longest club I carry at the moment is a 5 wood which goes about 200 yds, straight, and keeps me happy.
Forgot about this debate.
I play off 15 now. I was off 6 before I had a 5 year break and have just started again.
The course I now play is 6500 yards of the yellows with lots of uphill approach shots. I don't hit it as far as I once did, so hitting driver on most tee shots is a must unless I want to hit 4 iron into every green. With most of my misses being just off the fairway I just don’t worry about it and actually find I’m more positive hitting the driver.
I am willing to bet some virtual beer tokens that most mid to high handicappers will not hit that many more fairways with a 3 wood or long iron than they would with a driver.
I would seriously suggest anyone who struggles with a driver try a higher lofted driver with a heavier shaft in.
That’s the beauty of golf. It matters not how, but how many!
Trust me. I’m Batman
I play off 15 now. I was off 6 before I had a 5 year break and have just started again.
The course I now play is 6500 yards of the yellows with lots of uphill approach shots. I don't hit it as far as I once did, so hitting driver on most tee shots is a must unless I want to hit 4 iron into every green. With most of my misses being just off the fairway I just don’t worry about it and actually find I’m more positive hitting the driver.
I am willing to bet some virtual beer tokens that most mid to high handicappers will not hit that many more fairways with a 3 wood or long iron than they would with a driver.
I would seriously suggest anyone who struggles with a driver try a higher lofted driver with a heavier shaft in.
That’s the beauty of golf. It matters not how, but how many!
Trust me. I’m Batman
GTO-3R said:
I play off scratch and my advice to the OP is keep the driver in the bag. Keep the ball in play and SHORT GAME SHORT GAME SHORT GAME!!!!
With regard to clubs, I agree with others on getting a quality set of second hand clubs rather than a new set of "less" quality.
I couldn't agree more with the bit in bold. The one thing that stopped me getting lower was putting. I simply can't putt very well. Tried everything back in the day. I know how Westwood must feel.With regard to clubs, I agree with others on getting a quality set of second hand clubs rather than a new set of "less" quality.
All I'm saying is that a driver is not as hard to hit as it once was, and that the fear of god is put into all new golfers by those that can't hit one very well. I'm not saying it should be the first club to learn with, but don't shy away from it.
Agree that they are not as hard to hit as they once were but to a beginner the sight if the big head and little loft is hard to grasp. I always advise to keep the ball in play, that way you can still score and give yourself a chance! Fortunately for me growing up there was a few of us juniors who were always having chipping and putting comps. Being very competitive lads we all excelled round the greens and now my short game is by far and away my best asset!
I'll vouch for the short game advice above
I don't have a handicap because I haven't been a member anywhere for a number of years but did at one time get down to around 13-14. I can hit my driver well over 300 yards and pretty straight which means on the courses I play that I'm rarely hitting anything more than an 8-9 iron in to the green. That doesn't stop me taking 5-6 shots from 100 yards out though. What use is it being able to hit one shot 300 yards if it then takes you another 5 to get it in. A bit like happy gilmore. Played the other week and nailed my driver like never before but I 3/4 putted on around 7 holes I think, useless
I had a round last year where my short game came together for a day. Shot 50 points playing off 18. The next day my short game had gone to pot again
I don't have a handicap because I haven't been a member anywhere for a number of years but did at one time get down to around 13-14. I can hit my driver well over 300 yards and pretty straight which means on the courses I play that I'm rarely hitting anything more than an 8-9 iron in to the green. That doesn't stop me taking 5-6 shots from 100 yards out though. What use is it being able to hit one shot 300 yards if it then takes you another 5 to get it in. A bit like happy gilmore. Played the other week and nailed my driver like never before but I 3/4 putted on around 7 holes I think, useless
I had a round last year where my short game came together for a day. Shot 50 points playing off 18. The next day my short game had gone to pot again
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