Golf ball - Pro V1 vs Pro V1x?? Any thoughts?
Discussion
As above really - may seem a bit OCD but am buying in bulk.
HAve played with both recently and to be honest not sure I can tell the difference really.
So simply go with the cheaper ones or what is the actual difference? HAven't settled into consistent striking yet this year so hard to tell.
Thanks for any help (and no doubt some abuse)
Play off 18
HAve played with both recently and to be honest not sure I can tell the difference really.
So simply go with the cheaper ones or what is the actual difference? HAven't settled into consistent striking yet this year so hard to tell.
Thanks for any help (and no doubt some abuse)
Play off 18
Of those two I would use the v1x (I use them).
I would imagine they should be the same price?
I would question whether an 18 handicapper needs to use a tour ball, my gut feeling is an nxt/nxt tour or the like would be better suited.
Not quite so soft but can still generate some spin and won't go as far offline. Plus they'll be cheaper.
I would imagine they should be the same price?
I would question whether an 18 handicapper needs to use a tour ball, my gut feeling is an nxt/nxt tour or the like would be better suited.
Not quite so soft but can still generate some spin and won't go as far offline. Plus they'll be cheaper.
Thanks.
I had a golf ball 'fitting'; a promo by Titleist obviously with my pro and he gave me a sleev of Pro V1s and Nxt. I found the Nxt felt much harder and even when a lovely clean strike, didnt like them compared ot striking teh Pro V.
Always been a bit of a cinic on balls until we actually hit a load in sterile conditions, back to back.
As an aside, we hit a few others as well and (whilst possibly in my head) preferred the Pro V.
And we all know that what goes on in your head has nothing to do with the game don't we?
I had a golf ball 'fitting'; a promo by Titleist obviously with my pro and he gave me a sleev of Pro V1s and Nxt. I found the Nxt felt much harder and even when a lovely clean strike, didnt like them compared ot striking teh Pro V.
Always been a bit of a cinic on balls until we actually hit a load in sterile conditions, back to back.
As an aside, we hit a few others as well and (whilst possibly in my head) preferred the Pro V.
And we all know that what goes on in your head has nothing to do with the game don't we?
Slaav said:
Thanks.
I had a golf ball 'fitting'; a promo by Titleist obviously with my pro and he gave me a sleev of Pro V1s and Nxt. I found the Nxt felt much harder and even when a lovely clean strike, didnt like them compared ot striking teh Pro V.
Always been a bit of a cinic on balls until we actually hit a load in sterile conditions, back to back.
As an aside, we hit a few others as well and (whilst possibly in my head) preferred the Pro V.
And we all know that what goes on in your head has nothing to do with the game don't we?
Indeed!I had a golf ball 'fitting'; a promo by Titleist obviously with my pro and he gave me a sleev of Pro V1s and Nxt. I found the Nxt felt much harder and even when a lovely clean strike, didnt like them compared ot striking teh Pro V.
Always been a bit of a cinic on balls until we actually hit a load in sterile conditions, back to back.
As an aside, we hit a few others as well and (whilst possibly in my head) preferred the Pro V.
And we all know that what goes on in your head has nothing to do with the game don't we?
If you don't like the click an NXT gives you then I would stick with v1x, v1 will just cost you distance with the same feel.
I find that with the V1x I lose feel with the shorter irons and get less spin - the V1 seems to have a higher flight and lands softer also. V1x seem to take on side spin much more readily (do they have a different dimple pattern?) so any mild fade or draw can be more of a problem, particularly into the wind.
Or am I talking complete s
t here?
From what you said above dxbtiger, I'm confused now......
Or am I talking complete s
t here? From what you said above dxbtiger, I'm confused now......
I'm an ex golf pro and if I am to be completely honest I can't tell the difference between the V1 and the V1X....
And to add fuel to the fire I score pretty much exactly the same if I use NXT balls ....
If anything I find that the Pro V's spin too much for me and the NXT's with their lower spin rates stop just fine without the masses of suck back on quick greens.
Playing off 18 , using Pro V's is going to be an expensive journey ....try Bridgestones B330 range of balls as they are pretty good.
And to add fuel to the fire I score pretty much exactly the same if I use NXT balls ....
If anything I find that the Pro V's spin too much for me and the NXT's with their lower spin rates stop just fine without the masses of suck back on quick greens.
Playing off 18 , using Pro V's is going to be an expensive journey ....try Bridgestones B330 range of balls as they are pretty good.
Edited by taaffy on Thursday 7th June 13:05
So is Feel a myth or a fact ?
You hear and see some many players that have to play forged clubs, "soft" balls, Tour issued drivers that you wonder if they really know the difference.
Golf equipment scientists believe that "feel" is almost entirely determined by the information we collect with our ears.
When it comes to feel in golf balls, if you hear no evil and see no evil, you'll likely speak no evil (as in mutter an expletive). That's because a ball's "feel" is determined not so much by the collision between club and ball, but by what a player hears and, to a lesser extent, sees.
"A ball is on the clubface for a fraction of a second," notes Dean Snell, senior director of R&D for Maxfli. "It's more the sound it makes" in determining feel.
Snell said Maxfli has a 1,600-player database that gives the company feedback on all aspects of the golf ball, including feel. Players will, for example, claim a ball with a hard, clicking sound at contact will not produce any spin, even though tests show it spins more than a ball with a softer cover. "Up until last year Fred Couples would not play a ball with a firm cover for that reason," said Snell.
Couples is just one example of how tour players have come to accept the harsher sound that comes with today's multilayer balls. Hall of famer Annika Sorenstam is another. "Annika was a skeptic," said Steve Ogg, senior director of golf ball R&D for Callaway. "But she played our Rule 35 early on and used the firmer Red ball."
According to Ogg, engineers can alter the sound of a ball, and therefore its feel, through chemistry. Softening the cover or reducing the core compression (or a combination of both) can reduce the sound and make a ball "feel" softer - and vice versa. The tradeoff is a change in spin and velocity. "That's the game we play," said Ogg. "It's why we spend about 25 percent of our time working on the optimum range for amplitude and duration of the sound."
Snell uses visual perception as well. He has given tour players balls where the only difference was color. Almost without exception, the feedback was that balls with a bright white cover were "too hard" and "lacked spin" while balls with a yellow or blue hue were deemed "soft."
Which means seeing - and in some instances hearing - is believing.
You hear and see some many players that have to play forged clubs, "soft" balls, Tour issued drivers that you wonder if they really know the difference.
Golf equipment scientists believe that "feel" is almost entirely determined by the information we collect with our ears.
When it comes to feel in golf balls, if you hear no evil and see no evil, you'll likely speak no evil (as in mutter an expletive). That's because a ball's "feel" is determined not so much by the collision between club and ball, but by what a player hears and, to a lesser extent, sees.
"A ball is on the clubface for a fraction of a second," notes Dean Snell, senior director of R&D for Maxfli. "It's more the sound it makes" in determining feel.
Snell said Maxfli has a 1,600-player database that gives the company feedback on all aspects of the golf ball, including feel. Players will, for example, claim a ball with a hard, clicking sound at contact will not produce any spin, even though tests show it spins more than a ball with a softer cover. "Up until last year Fred Couples would not play a ball with a firm cover for that reason," said Snell.
Couples is just one example of how tour players have come to accept the harsher sound that comes with today's multilayer balls. Hall of famer Annika Sorenstam is another. "Annika was a skeptic," said Steve Ogg, senior director of golf ball R&D for Callaway. "But she played our Rule 35 early on and used the firmer Red ball."
According to Ogg, engineers can alter the sound of a ball, and therefore its feel, through chemistry. Softening the cover or reducing the core compression (or a combination of both) can reduce the sound and make a ball "feel" softer - and vice versa. The tradeoff is a change in spin and velocity. "That's the game we play," said Ogg. "It's why we spend about 25 percent of our time working on the optimum range for amplitude and duration of the sound."
Snell uses visual perception as well. He has given tour players balls where the only difference was color. Almost without exception, the feedback was that balls with a bright white cover were "too hard" and "lacked spin" while balls with a yellow or blue hue were deemed "soft."
Which means seeing - and in some instances hearing - is believing.
Edited by taaffy on Thursday 7th June 23:25
Sargeant Orange said:
I'd ditch the Pro v's and go with something a little more suited to your game 
Surely a Dunlop 'attack' would be better than that? CHap I played with on Monday had an 'attack' in his bag. Funny as hell....
Seriously though, 18 doesn't mean I lose many balls; I dont thin many either. Dont ask about my putting!!!
Feel is of no importance whatsoever if I dont hit it anywhere near the hole with my putter. At a guess on Monday, having played to 18 or possibly 17 (we had a few gimmes and were not being too fastidious) I think I 3 putted 7 or 8 times!!!!! FFS
And missed sevreal par putts.
Putting is my issue; by some way and margin.
Hence my own re balls
Thanks for all advice and thoughts though - interesting and will try a few more before start buying Pro Vs in bulk....
Davey S2 said:
At an 18 handicap I wouldnt bother.
I play off 13 and use Srixon AD333 which £ for £ are the best balls I've played with and are only £13 a dozen.
I wouldnt start worrying about premium balls until you get down to single figures.
I'm off 10 and use NXT Tour. The Juniors and Mr Pings off 15+ use Prov1...all the gear....no idea. I play off 13 and use Srixon AD333 which £ for £ are the best balls I've played with and are only £13 a dozen.
I wouldnt start worrying about premium balls until you get down to single figures.
Unless you are off scratch, or +, then you would never tell. Titleist marketing at it's finest. Use NXT/Calloway mid range balls...throw away your driver, learn to chip and putt and you be down to single figures. The ball is the last thing you should be worrying about.
Titleist NXT Tour will do everything you need but if you like me don't like the feel of them they just wont feel right.
I personally like a soft feel and use Taylor Made Penta's. However I have been pretty impressed with the Srixon range, especally the AD333, cheap, good distance and nice feel.
I personally like a soft feel and use Taylor Made Penta's. However I have been pretty impressed with the Srixon range, especally the AD333, cheap, good distance and nice feel.
'feel' ... IS A MYTH
Put some ear plugs in to mask the sound of the ball on the club and you will never be able to tell the difference..... it sounds softer or harder.
The ball is on the clubface for about 1/2000th of a second so if you take the sense of hearing away then the feel is the same for whatever modern ball you may use.
Clubs and balls do make a difference to the game of golf but not as much as you may think.
I have experimented with Blades, cavities, stiff shafts , reg shafts, ladies shafts, old technology and new technology high spin and low spin balls...... There was not much difference in scoring between any of this equipment.
The player makes the difference....
Far too many amateurs are hung up on the marketing that companies use to sell their wares....and consequently never maximise their potential as they are always seeking to buy the perfect game.
Refine the player then refine the equipment.
Put some ear plugs in to mask the sound of the ball on the club and you will never be able to tell the difference..... it sounds softer or harder.
The ball is on the clubface for about 1/2000th of a second so if you take the sense of hearing away then the feel is the same for whatever modern ball you may use.
Clubs and balls do make a difference to the game of golf but not as much as you may think.
I have experimented with Blades, cavities, stiff shafts , reg shafts, ladies shafts, old technology and new technology high spin and low spin balls...... There was not much difference in scoring between any of this equipment.
The player makes the difference....
Far too many amateurs are hung up on the marketing that companies use to sell their wares....and consequently never maximise their potential as they are always seeking to buy the perfect game.
Refine the player then refine the equipment.
taaffy said:
Clubs and balls do make a difference to the game of golf but not as much as you may think.
I have experimented with Blades, cavities, stiff shafts , reg shafts, ladies shafts, old technology and new technology high spin and low spin balls...... There was not much difference in scoring between any of this equipment.
The player makes the difference....
I completely agree. To test this theory I played my regular course with a seven iron and a putter and shot only four strokes over my handicap. I was striking the ball particularly well at the time but, even so, I was surprised how easy it was - only really the longer par fours caused any problem at all. I have experimented with Blades, cavities, stiff shafts , reg shafts, ladies shafts, old technology and new technology high spin and low spin balls...... There was not much difference in scoring between any of this equipment.
The player makes the difference....
There was room for some improvement as well. If I did it again I'd make sure I layed up 140-160 yards from each green as it is practically impossible to hit a seven iron 50-100 yards consistently.
I think I learned more about course management in that one round than in the preceding 20 years!
R1gtr said:
taaffy said:
'feel' ... IS A MYTH
Are you telling me that with a nice blade such as any Mizuno MP series iron that a two piece distance ball will feel the exact same as a pro v1 as long as you can't hear the strike?I must be doing something different to you as I sure can tell.
I was a golf pro both tour and club so I'd like think I know what I am talking about....
Manufacturers engineer their covers to change the sound of the ball, dull is soft and more clicky sound is hard .....
They fool your senses....
Edited by taaffy on Friday 8th June 19:49
taaffy said:
R1gtr said:
taaffy said:
'feel' ... IS A MYTH
Are you telling me that with a nice blade such as any Mizuno MP series iron that a two piece distance ball will feel the exact same as a pro v1 as long as you can't hear the strike?I must be doing something different to you as I sure can tell.
I was a golf pro both tour and club so I'd like think I know what I am talking about....
Manufacturers engineer their covers to change the sound of the ball, dull is soft and more clicky sound is hard .....
They fool your senses....
Edited by taaffy on Friday 8th June 19:49
As if your mind can interfere with a nice game of golf
Having said that, it is amazing how much better I seem to play if I play the 1st well and strike the first few mid irons well....
(CHicken or egg?)I'd have to agree with some of the other comments, playing off 18 you really don't need to be using Pro V's. With it been a softer ball it generates more spin, problem is that a slice and hook is a type of spin so this will be greatly exagerated too. i.e. a slice will go further right than a harder ball would (assuming right handed!)
NXT's or similar is the route you should be going
NXT's or similar is the route you should be going
Slaav said:
You will be telling us it is all in our heads next
As if your mind can interfere with a nice game of golf
As if .....As if your mind can interfere with a nice game of golf
Then again how many scratch golf range golfers do you see suddenly become 20 handicappers on the 1st tee when you throw a few bunkers some rough and the odd tree into the mix.
As someone mentioned earlier "golf is a simple game" ..... and it is but too many people complicate it with poor self assessment constant worrying about having the right equipment when "learning" the game properly would make more difference than having all the latest alleged game improving gear.
There is no substitute for learning correct technique and sheer hard work ..
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