Tindall England career to end in disgrace

[hornetrider]

25k fine for serious misconduct in New Zealand... and dropped.

Ouch.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/rugbyunion/intern...

[Beardy10]

I am sure there is an element of wanting to make an example of him and Andrew also trying to prove he's worth his job. It's a massive fine for a professional rugby player....probably 10% of his income or thereabouts.

Regardles of that I don't have much sympathy for him....he played an absolute blinder in the 2003 RWC final (which he doesn't really get credit for) and that's what I will remember him for but he should have known an awful lot better.

[Nobby Diesel]

A regretful end to a career. Too true about 2003.
The other blinder he played in 2003 was winning the unofficial record, for the number of cans of beer consumed during a Sydney-London flight.
This used to be keenly contested in the less professional era. I believe he used 2 paceman during the flight - a Marvellous achievement!

[DocJock]

I think the amount of the fine is ridiculous.
It is pure grandstanding and Tindall is the perfect target due to his high media profile.

After England's performance in NZ it is Andrew and Johnson who should be getting fined.

[Eddw86]

DocJock said:

I think the amount of the fine is ridiculous.
It is pure grandstanding and Tindall is the perfect target due to his high media profile.

After England's performance in NZ it is Andrew who should be getting fined.

Quite.

It staggers belief that he has been fined so much & for the reasons given when Andrews was in NZ for much of the latter part of the tournament and if his conduct had been so rewarding of these punishments why was no action taken then?

It is pure self regarding grandstanding. Tindall has been made a scapegoat due to his high profile & the media hunt to discredit Tindall, I wonder if there had been less press coverage and if Andrew himself wasn't under a lot of pressure and potentiallyhave his job under threat if this would have been the result. Actually I don't wonder as the answer is obvious.

Don't get me wrong Tindall was a plank to behave like he did as he should have known better, but other teams drank, no rules were actually broken. Pure RFU at its best at the moment.

Edited by Eddw86 on Saturday 12th November 12:56

[Steffan]

The best method of defence yoiu can use if you fail in your duties an organisation, is to identify someone with a high profile as a scapegoat and severly punish or dismiss them.

Then report to everyone that you got the bd who did this to us.

I am afraid that is what Andrew has done.

It will probably work for him.

What it will not do is stand up to scrutiny. The technique is apparent.

But Andrew keeps his job, which is not good news for English Rugby.

[Happy82]

So for giving his ex a cuddle and possibly tossing a dwarf, he is fined £25k? Seems a bit excessive

[Beardy10]

Happy82 said:

So for giving his ex a cuddle and possibly tossing a dwarf, he is fined £25k? Seems a bit excessive

I think the problem probably is that he forgot/lied/was economical with the truth when the story originally broke about going on elsewhere. He also refused to apologise which apparently didn't go down well.

But yes....it's a ludicrous fine and as one article I read today said would they have thrown him out of the squad if he hadn't been 33 and over the hill ? Bet they wouldn't have thrown Croft or Tuilagi out of the squad.

[epom]

seem a bit harsh, I would have thought the guy who jumped of the ferry did an awful lot worse (though that was at least very funny)

[paulwoof]

funny how everybody is defending him or at least on his side. yet if it were a footballer? i would imagine the usual "over paid useless nancy boy etc etc" would still apply?

[DocJock]

I'm not defending Tindall. He misbehaved and deserves punishing.

I'm criticising the level of his punishment and the motivation of people behind it.

[Wings]

Beardy10 said:

I think the problem probably is that he forgot/lied/was economical with the truth when the story originally broke about going on elsewhere. He also refused to apologise which apparently didn't go down well.

But yes....it's a ludicrous fine and as one article I read today said would they have thrown him out of the squad if he hadn't been 33 and over the hill ? Bet they wouldn't have thrown Croft or Tuilagi out of the squad.

The problem was Tindall's high profile, he should never have been selected to travel, same for several other players. All major team games in the UK appears to be going just like cricket, you get selected on being part of the old boys clique, and not on present performance.

As for being thrown out of the team, agree, Danny Cipriani wasn't part of the clique, but certainly has the ability.