That Disgraceful punch in the semi final of the Rugby
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Am I the only one who thinks that Manu Tuilagi should not only miss the final but he should recieve a three month playing ban next season. That wasn't overexcited rugby players that was an assault plain and simple. Last year Brendan Venter was given a 10 game match day ban for allegedly verbally assaulting a Tigers fan and for being disrespectful in the hearing (eating biscuits that the RFU put on the table). But as the Tigers are the Man U of rugby I would expect nothing to happen at all.
I'm in two minds about this.
Firstly, it's was one brutal punch & he got up swinging from nothing really. Plus it reflects badly on the sport.
However, flash points & the odd squaring up & digs & punches do happen, it's an aside to a physical male game, that won't ever be completely eradicated though it is far rarer than in the past.
When it happens the players are sent off, given a 4/5 match ban & told to pack it in.
So my question would be, just because Tuilagi connected & threw a good punch, should this really warrant a 12 game /3 month ban whereas someone who doesn't connect as well or doesn't throw such a good punch gets 4 games?
I suppose you could argue about intent - I.e did Tuilagi put everything into that punch with the aim of seriously hurting Ashton or was he just swinging.
I'd argue 3 months is way too long, 5/6 games & warning for future conduct.
Firstly, it's was one brutal punch & he got up swinging from nothing really. Plus it reflects badly on the sport.
However, flash points & the odd squaring up & digs & punches do happen, it's an aside to a physical male game, that won't ever be completely eradicated though it is far rarer than in the past.
When it happens the players are sent off, given a 4/5 match ban & told to pack it in.
So my question would be, just because Tuilagi connected & threw a good punch, should this really warrant a 12 game /3 month ban whereas someone who doesn't connect as well or doesn't throw such a good punch gets 4 games?
I suppose you could argue about intent - I.e did Tuilagi put everything into that punch with the aim of seriously hurting Ashton or was he just swinging.
I'd argue 3 months is way too long, 5/6 games & warning for future conduct.
maxrider said:
WTF are you on about? Ashton gave Manu a hefty shove off the ball and Manu (over)reacted.How is that cheating?
Ashton reacted to Manus actions & Manu completely over reacted.
My reasoning for a 12 match ban is because this wasn't a case of handbags at dawn. This is how I saw it.
Tulagi - intentional late tackle -penalty
Ashton - off the ball shove of Tulagi in retaliation - penalty reversed possible yellow.
Tulagi - completely over reacts lands not one but three vicious blows to Ashtons' head in a clear intent to cause serious harm - definite red card and definite ban.
But as I said before the Tigers will just flutter their eyes at the RFU, nothing will happen and we can all go back to hating the Tigers
Tulagi - intentional late tackle -penalty
Ashton - off the ball shove of Tulagi in retaliation - penalty reversed possible yellow.
Tulagi - completely over reacts lands not one but three vicious blows to Ashtons' head in a clear intent to cause serious harm - definite red card and definite ban.
But as I said before the Tigers will just flutter their eyes at the RFU, nothing will happen and we can all go back to hating the Tigers
Ashton was nowhere near the ball when spackchops took him out, he had every right to be cheesed off. A shove in the back was deserved, 2 good hooks and a haymaker were not. Still, I'm not complaining about seeing it, I'm not bothered if they want to have a bit of argy bargy on the pitch, keeps tensions high and atmospheres great, as long as not all the time.
Stagpump said:
My reasoning for a 12 match ban is because this wasn't a case of handbags at dawn. This is how I saw it.
Tulagi - intentional late tackle -penalty
Ashton - off the ball shove of Tulagi in retaliation - penalty reversed possible yellow.
Tulagi - completely over reacts lands not one but three vicious blows to Ashtons' head in a clear intent to cause serious harm - definite red card and definite ban.
But as I said before the Tigers will just flutter their eyes at the RFU, nothing will happen and we can all go back to hating the Tigers
I don't think that you can increase the level of a ban due to a perception that the punching was a bit more vigorous then others, (though I agree it was at the top scale of punches seen in the game). If the guidelines for a ban are set for punching, then they should be adhered to, so he should be banned, but no mare than prescribed in the IRB or RFU guidelines. Tulagi - intentional late tackle -penalty
Ashton - off the ball shove of Tulagi in retaliation - penalty reversed possible yellow.
Tulagi - completely over reacts lands not one but three vicious blows to Ashtons' head in a clear intent to cause serious harm - definite red card and definite ban.
But as I said before the Tigers will just flutter their eyes at the RFU, nothing will happen and we can all go back to hating the Tigers
As a side note, my mate got a ban for, and I quote from the ref's report, "ineffectual punching" this poorness in fisticuffs didn't land him a reduced ban though
Stagpump said:
But as the Tigers are the Man U of rugby I would expect nothing to happen at all.
Wayne Rooney received a 2 match ban for swearing at a camera. Richards and Balotelli (Man City) said f
k and st during an interview and nobody has batted an eye lid.You're misinformed, idiot.
maxrider said:
WTF are you on about? Ashton gave Manu a hefty shove off the ball and Manu (over)reacted.How is that cheating?
How about you open your other eye?!
Tuilagi virtually clotheslined Ashton miles off the ball, all Ashton did was give him a bit of a shove when he got up. Disgraceful incident.
Still, seeing Cockerhill giving it the old Arsene 'I didn't see it' I'm not surprised at the culture that pervades through the club
I thought it was a pretty good punch. What do we want from rugby, to turn it into an acting contest like modern football?
Simple fact is if Ashton hadn't shoved him it wouldn't have happened.
Rugby is a contact sport and all the better for it.
Simple fact is if Ashton hadn't shoved him it wouldn't have happened.
Rugby is a contact sport and all the better for it.
If it was unprovoked that's be another matter, but Ashton Ashton picked on the wrong bloke
If you look at the suspensions handed out this season I would guess he'll get 4 weeks.
Earlier in the game Hartley took Flood out late, Flood's response was to throw a punch (which did connect) Hartley shrugged it off. All good, Tigers get the penalty.
Manu should have seen yellow on the first offence.
Ashton gave a little shove nothing more, a word in his ear to calm down from ref.
That should have summed up the incident.
But Manu lost it, should definitely miss the final and some of the Saxons.
Earlier in the game Hartley took Flood out late, Flood's response was to throw a punch (which did connect) Hartley shrugged it off. All good, Tigers get the penalty.
Manu should have seen yellow on the first offence.
Ashton gave a little shove nothing more, a word in his ear to calm down from ref.
That should have summed up the incident.
But Manu lost it, should definitely miss the final and some of the Saxons.
lazyitus said:
Stagpump said:
But as the Tigers are the Man U of rugby I would expect nothing to happen at all.
Wayne Rooney received a 2 match ban for swearing at a camera. Richards and Balotelli (Man City) said f
k and st during an interview and nobody has batted an eye lid.You're misinformed, idiot.
Stagpump said:
Really lazyitus was that necessary ? A simple statement of the fact would have been quite enough but then judging by that response simple is about all you could manage. A simple debate of a sporting event reduced to name calling by one simple fool. Let me guess - Man U fan right???
Name calling - yes, maybe a bit OTT. But when you start to come up with random facts about other teams from a completely unrelated sport, maybe you should be a touch more factual instead of jumping on the 'anti-United' merry-go-round. It's tiresome, particularly when you don't back it up with any substance. Anyway, I commend you on your deduction of my supported team. And, as you see fit to call me a simple fool for name calling, well, erm, OK. That's two of us. Fair enough lazyitus I will ensure that any comments made in the future are backed up. I didn't join this forum to get in arguments and I shouldn't have resorted to name calling either . I apologise. For the record I am a Spurs fan and I'm not anti Man U. Congratulations on winning the 19th. It is my observation that Man U have gotten away with some pretty big decisions against Spurs and as a Saracens supporter I was making a comparison with the Tigers in particular that bull sh*t charge against Venter last year. No upset was meant. It was meant as banter only. Sorry.
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