Anyone see Tigers vs Saints?
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For anyone that didnt see it. Late hit on Chris Ashton by Manu Tuilangi. Ashton gets up and shoves Tuilangi while he is on the floor. Queue red mist. Tuilangi gets up, two swinging lefts then an absolute haymaker with his right to the side of Ashtons head. Slow mo in HD showed what an absolute hammer it was. Ashtons whole head distorted.
Punishment? Yellow card for both of them!!!!
Got to love rugby. Ahston not only didnt hit the deck but didnt even go off.
(Can't link a vid as they are all blocked due to copyright on Youtube)
Punishment? Yellow card for both of them!!!!
Got to love rugby. Ahston not only didnt hit the deck but didnt even go off.
(Can't link a vid as they are all blocked due to copyright on Youtube)
Was wondering why there wasnt a thread for this.
What a combo from Manu. No wild swinging, haymakers missing or just catching someone in the chest, 2 straight to the jaw and the big...and seriously here, we do mean BIG...right hand over the top to the side of Ashton's head.
To be fair to Ashton he is 16-17 stone of pure bone and muscle and nobody has ever accused him of having too much up there to scramble
He was though completely out of it for about 5mins after Manu landed on him.
Both the brothers were in outstanding form though, completely up for it. Alessana was throwing his weight around aswell and his try to an extent was a thing of beauty. He lined Bruce up from 10yrds out, there was never any intention of going round, sidestepping, swerving or feinting and they both knew it and he just marmelised him. Bruce is a good 15-16stone aswell!
For anybody wondering just what constitutes a big right hand, imagine Tyson as a Samoan, except with more muscle. Still, I suppose Ashton should be greatful...at least it was only baby Manu who hit him, and not his big brother.
What a combo from Manu. No wild swinging, haymakers missing or just catching someone in the chest, 2 straight to the jaw and the big...and seriously here, we do mean BIG...right hand over the top to the side of Ashton's head.
To be fair to Ashton he is 16-17 stone of pure bone and muscle and nobody has ever accused him of having too much up there to scramble
He was though completely out of it for about 5mins after Manu landed on him.Both the brothers were in outstanding form though, completely up for it. Alessana was throwing his weight around aswell and his try to an extent was a thing of beauty. He lined Bruce up from 10yrds out, there was never any intention of going round, sidestepping, swerving or feinting and they both knew it and he just marmelised him. Bruce is a good 15-16stone aswell!
For anybody wondering just what constitutes a big right hand, imagine Tyson as a Samoan, except with more muscle. Still, I suppose Ashton should be greatful...at least it was only baby Manu who hit him, and not his big brother.
k did he stay on his feet?!?!Jaysus, it's like a slowmo out of Rocky II http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FHZNsDOI4po
Be quick though - they're being taken down
Another - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2YmEiA3nkeE
Be quick though - they're being taken down
Another - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2YmEiA3nkeE
For those dont follow Union that closely, these are the brothers. Yes...there are more than 2 of them.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uiyrdj3uyGE&fea...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uiyrdj3uyGE&fea...
Amazed Ashton barely got his groovy legs on. How the TJ claimed they both exchanged punches I don't know. There is an article in the Telegraph http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/rugbyunion/club/8... about the benches behavior sounds far from impressive, you wonder how much Cockerill influenced the TJ's interpretation of the incident.
All credit to Ashton for playing on and shaking his hand at the end.
Manu should get a lengthy ban, should miss out on the Saxons but how much of next season?
The silly thing is he gets the punishment after the event had he been rightly sent off the out come could have been very different. A man down in a tight game with the likes of Foden etc would have been interesting.
All credit to Ashton for playing on and shaking his hand at the end.
Manu should get a lengthy ban, should miss out on the Saxons but how much of next season?
The silly thing is he gets the punishment after the event had he been rightly sent off the out come could have been very different. A man down in a tight game with the likes of Foden etc would have been interesting.
Right I recorded the repeat of the game and the incident is one of the worst I've seen on a rugby field in a long time. A quick tap is taken and Ashton is running a support line about 10-15 yards from the runner - ie nowhere near the ball. Tuilagi goes for a blatant clothesline flying tackle to take him out - that is a yellow card offense on its own.
Both are then on the ground, Ashton gets up and shoves him in the back, at which point Tuilagi gets up and chins him twice with two left jabs, before landing an absolute haymaker of a right hand shot. How the lino missed it I'll never know, blatant red card and Tuilagi must surely be cited now for his actions.
Echo the sentiments of others by applauding Ashton for a) remaining on his feet, and b) shaking his hand at the end of the game.
Both are then on the ground, Ashton gets up and shoves him in the back, at which point Tuilagi gets up and chins him twice with two left jabs, before landing an absolute haymaker of a right hand shot. How the lino missed it I'll never know, blatant red card and Tuilagi must surely be cited now for his actions.
Echo the sentiments of others by applauding Ashton for a) remaining on his feet, and b) shaking his hand at the end of the game.
Have to laugh at all the holier than though comments.
Sorry, I loved it. Exactly how a rugby match should be. Rugby should be a game in which punches are thrown, in which blokes take shots and stay on their feet and then said blokes shake hands after and drink a pint together.
There will never come a day when I think differently about the game. Yes Manu should have been red carded, he will be cited and will face a ban I suspect of some length and thats fair enough. Being an enforcer and doling things out doesnt mean you should get away with them, you break the rules...suffer the consequences. That doesnt mean you dont hand it out though. Northampton had spent the first half hitting the Leicester half backs with hard late tackles. The brothers spent the rest of the match piling into the Saints at every chance and it worked. Northampton were out on their feet by 75mins and Leicester had the game in the bag.
Sorry, I loved it. Exactly how a rugby match should be. Rugby should be a game in which punches are thrown, in which blokes take shots and stay on their feet and then said blokes shake hands after and drink a pint together.
There will never come a day when I think differently about the game. Yes Manu should have been red carded, he will be cited and will face a ban I suspect of some length and thats fair enough. Being an enforcer and doling things out doesnt mean you should get away with them, you break the rules...suffer the consequences. That doesnt mean you dont hand it out though. Northampton had spent the first half hitting the Leicester half backs with hard late tackles. The brothers spent the rest of the match piling into the Saints at every chance and it worked. Northampton were out on their feet by 75mins and Leicester had the game in the bag.
DJRC said:
He lined Bruce up from 10yrds out, there was never any intention of going round, sidestepping, swerving or feinting and they both knew it and he just marmelised him.
"swerving and feinting" are not words in his dictionary. He tends to be a one trick pony when given the ball, head down and look for a target to smash into. Not saying that's a bad thing and he usually does it well.As for the officiating, as always Wayne Barnes cops out of big decisions and unfortunately this time his mate on the sideline did exactly the same.
I can't see Manu getting much longer than 8 weeks ban TBH, although he deserves the book throwing at him. I think he'll suffer more in the long term, though as I can't see Martin Johnson being that keen to pick someone who loses his cool to that extent and that easily in such a high stakes game. Quite simply, that sort of immature temperament is a massive weakness and one that every opposition will be targeting in the future.
Er no, he is 19. Johnson was still lamping people with another half decade on that and then some. He only really stopped and stepped back from being the Pack enforcer when he became England Captain. Ben Kay and the ABC boys did the role at Leicester then and Dally and Kay/Grewcock did it for England. Johnson will pick Manu as soon as he can, but it wont be the WC now with the ban looming. He will be part of the AI squad though unless he is injured. Put the mortgage on it.
We wont even mention Moody.
He didnt get riled and lose his cool either. Leicester used both the brothers to hammer Northampton. They both could have been yellow carded and more than once, but it was almost certainly deliberate because of the late hits the Saints were putting on Youngs and Flood. Northampton had seen what the Irish had done to the 2 halfbacks and were working on the same plan, rough them up, knock them out of their comfort zone, disrupt and destroy the Leicester game. England didnt have a plan to counter it. Leicester didnt have a plan when Leinster did it. This time they had a plan B and they used the 2 more physical blokes in the side to do it...and who to do it to. They didnt go hunting after Hartley as Gatland made the mistake, they targeted Ashton, Foden and Bruce, the dangerous Saints backline...and all 3 of them were hammered. It was a large reason why Northampton had nothing to offer in the last 10mins and Leicester just played keep ball.
Watch the Prem final and see what Leicester do. We will learn an awful lot about how good young Farrell is because he will have a day at the office like never before. Leicester will put AT down his channel every chance they get.
We wont even mention Moody.
He didnt get riled and lose his cool either. Leicester used both the brothers to hammer Northampton. They both could have been yellow carded and more than once, but it was almost certainly deliberate because of the late hits the Saints were putting on Youngs and Flood. Northampton had seen what the Irish had done to the 2 halfbacks and were working on the same plan, rough them up, knock them out of their comfort zone, disrupt and destroy the Leicester game. England didnt have a plan to counter it. Leicester didnt have a plan when Leinster did it. This time they had a plan B and they used the 2 more physical blokes in the side to do it...and who to do it to. They didnt go hunting after Hartley as Gatland made the mistake, they targeted Ashton, Foden and Bruce, the dangerous Saints backline...and all 3 of them were hammered. It was a large reason why Northampton had nothing to offer in the last 10mins and Leicester just played keep ball.
Watch the Prem final and see what Leicester do. We will learn an awful lot about how good young Farrell is because he will have a day at the office like never before. Leicester will put AT down his channel every chance they get.
DJRC said:
Have to laugh at all the holier than though comments.
Sorry, I loved it. Exactly how a rugby match should be.
I kinda agree but lets be honest - if you want to watch boxing, watch it.Sorry, I loved it. Exactly how a rugby match should be.
There are no holier than though comments before this post... the resounding issue is the miss on the part of the officials because the three (awesome) punches were done in broad daylight!
I agree with you that a bit of raking to an off-side player in a ruck or the odd sly smack in a maul is and should remain part of the game. Players should keep to the rules or risk a penalty/dig/boot...
In this case it was stupid on Manu's part, he lost his head and will likely miss out because of it depending on the punishment.
Edited by kieranjholland on Sunday 15th May 19:36
DJRC said:
Er no, he is 19. Johnson was still lamping people with another half decade on that and then some. He only really stopped and stepped back from being the Pack enforcer when he became England Captain. Ben Kay and the ABC boys did the role at Leicester then and Dally and Kay/Grewcock did it for England.
Agreed and if my post read as if I thought Manu was the only player (or worst offending example) to chuck a big punch, it wasn't intended to. The main difference is that the guys you mention were more likely to get away with it because of the positions they played, making half of the altercations harder to see by officials (arguably the era they developed in made a difference too)DJRC said:
Johnson will pick Manu as soon as he can, but it wont be the WC now with the ban looming. He will be part of the AI squad though unless he is injured. Put the mortgage on it.
Again, agreed, but I don't think it will be the ban that keeps him out of RWC this time round. The combination of his ill disciplined actions and the competition in the squad for "his" position will be enough IMO.Although, being an England (and Saints
) fan, if he is selected, I appreciate what he would bring to the side.DJRC said:
He didnt get riled and lose his cool either. Leicester used both the brothers to hammer Northampton.
Guess we'll have to agree to differ here, as I can't see how anyone can watch that footage and not think that the flurry of punches was a reaction to him being shoved in the back of the head by Ashton and if there was a plan to target the backs, then executing it in that manner was pretty foolish!Either way, I appreciate we were done in by a better team. The second half domination by Tigers proved that. Would it have been a different story against 14? Of course it would, but it is of no importance whatsoever and despite yesterday's events I'd rather Tigers win the title over Sarries any day of the week!
Chaps, you are missing the point.
Manu took Ashton out of the game. Completely out of it. Saints had to use Ashton, Foden and Bruce out wide to cause Leicester damage. Use the big boys up front to hold Leicester and then Downey and Clarke down the half back channel to create the gaps and viola the field opens up for the most dangerous backline in British rugby. If that backline is mullered out of the game though, then the Saints have lost their primary attacking option. In 5 seconds, even without the subsequent attention he and AT gave Ashton, Foden and Bruce, Ashton was removed from the game as an effective attacking option. Leicester can afford to lose Manu for the final, they can cover there but the Ashton/Foden/Bruce threat had to be dealt because Im fairly the Tigers brainstrust views Northampton as a bigger threat than Sarries or Gloucs. Now Guscot has been talking up the Sarries for the last 2 months and has them as favourites. Im not sure I see that, I think Sarries could be in for an absolute mauling, monster backline or none.
Manu took Ashton out of the game. Completely out of it. Saints had to use Ashton, Foden and Bruce out wide to cause Leicester damage. Use the big boys up front to hold Leicester and then Downey and Clarke down the half back channel to create the gaps and viola the field opens up for the most dangerous backline in British rugby. If that backline is mullered out of the game though, then the Saints have lost their primary attacking option. In 5 seconds, even without the subsequent attention he and AT gave Ashton, Foden and Bruce, Ashton was removed from the game as an effective attacking option. Leicester can afford to lose Manu for the final, they can cover there but the Ashton/Foden/Bruce threat had to be dealt because Im fairly the Tigers brainstrust views Northampton as a bigger threat than Sarries or Gloucs. Now Guscot has been talking up the Sarries for the last 2 months and has them as favourites. Im not sure I see that, I think Sarries could be in for an absolute mauling, monster backline or none.
DJRC said:
Chaps, you are missing the point.
Manu took Ashton out of the game. Completely out of it. Saints had to use Ashton, Foden and Bruce out wide to cause Leicester damage. Use the big boys up front to hold Leicester and then Downey and Clarke down the half back channel to create the gaps and viola the field opens up for the most dangerous backline in British rugby. If that backline is mullered out of the game though, then the Saints have lost their primary attacking option. In 5 seconds, even without the subsequent attention he and AT gave Ashton, Foden and Bruce, Ashton was removed from the game as an effective attacking option. Leicester can afford to lose Manu for the final, they can cover there but the Ashton/Foden/Bruce threat had to be dealt because Im fairly the Tigers brainstrust views Northampton as a bigger threat than Sarries or Gloucs. Now Guscot has been talking up the Sarries for the last 2 months and has them as favourites. Im not sure I see that, I think Sarries could be in for an absolute mauling, monster backline or none.
If you want to take somebody out of the game look no further than Josh Lewsey tackle on Matt Rogers. Perfectly legal the far better way of doing it.Manu took Ashton out of the game. Completely out of it. Saints had to use Ashton, Foden and Bruce out wide to cause Leicester damage. Use the big boys up front to hold Leicester and then Downey and Clarke down the half back channel to create the gaps and viola the field opens up for the most dangerous backline in British rugby. If that backline is mullered out of the game though, then the Saints have lost their primary attacking option. In 5 seconds, even without the subsequent attention he and AT gave Ashton, Foden and Bruce, Ashton was removed from the game as an effective attacking option. Leicester can afford to lose Manu for the final, they can cover there but the Ashton/Foden/Bruce threat had to be dealt because Im fairly the Tigers brainstrust views Northampton as a bigger threat than Sarries or Gloucs. Now Guscot has been talking up the Sarries for the last 2 months and has them as favourites. Im not sure I see that, I think Sarries could be in for an absolute mauling, monster backline or none.
Si 330 said:
If you want to take somebody out of the game look no further than Josh Lewsey tackle on Matt Rogers. Perfectly legal the far better way of doing it.
That was an awesome tackle - very good shout Si http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HhLGpGZcZkI
That's how you put manners on your opposition/take someone out of the game. Whatever Manu was thinking it was crude and stupid (but that right was a great punch).
Surprised by the 5 week ban, I too thought he would get more
Edited by kieranjholland on Wednesday 18th May 21:07
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