Neil Lennon - Why
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I think the atmosphere between the two clubs is poisonous most of the time. Lennon has not done much to defuse the situation - which, of course, is no reason why he should be physically assaulted.
The Scottish FA needs to read the riot act to both clubs - but they lack the clout to do this because of the over reliance on big firm rivalry for the funding of the Scottish Premiership.
I don't see the situation ever getting any better.
The Scottish FA needs to read the riot act to both clubs - but they lack the clout to do this because of the over reliance on big firm rivalry for the funding of the Scottish Premiership.
I don't see the situation ever getting any better.
Diablos-666 said:
Just read in the paper that Lennon was attacked again last night.
Why is he in so much bother recently? Parcel bombs, guns at training ground, attacked at football match.
Is it purely race driven?
I don't understand it
He's just an extremely unlikeable character who conducts himself in a way that stimulates adverse reaction. Why is he in so much bother recently? Parcel bombs, guns at training ground, attacked at football match.
Is it purely race driven?
I don't understand it
Diablos-666 said:
Just read in the paper that Lennon was attacked again last night.
Why is he in so much bother recently? Parcel bombs, guns at training ground, attached at football match.
Is it purely race driven?
I don't understand it
Nor me.Why is he in so much bother recently? Parcel bombs, guns at training ground, attached at football match.
Is it purely race driven?
I don't understand it
It's only a game FFS.
All this talk of sectarianism is just an excuse for yobbery IMO.
Perhaps the people concerned could look at hoe the Irish rugby team and their fans conduct themselves for example.
Eric Mc said:
I think the atmosphere between the two clubs is poisonous most of the time. Lennon has not done much to defuse the situation - which, of course, is no reason why he should be physically assaulted.
The Scottish FA needs to read the riot act to both clubs - but they lack the clout to do this because of the over reliance on big firm rivalry for the funding of the Scottish Premiership.
I don't see the situation ever getting any better.
This is not 'two sides of the same coin' rubbish that the press usually trots out in these types of situation.The Scottish FA needs to read the riot act to both clubs - but they lack the clout to do this because of the over reliance on big firm rivalry for the funding of the Scottish Premiership.
I don't see the situation ever getting any better.
Celtic FC and their fans have done no wrong in this case.
groak said:
He's just an extremely unlikeable character who conducts himself in a way that stimulates adverse reaction.
It's unbelievable that any sane minded person believes that NL 'brings it on himself' because of his personality.Why was Neil Lennon booed on his Celtic debut at Dundee?
It can't be the way he conducted himself because he hadn't played a game for us before that.
Why were Celtic players Paddy McCourt, Niall McGinn, Celtic supporting politician Trish Godman and QC Paul McBride all sent either bullets or bombs?
Is it their unlikeable characters as well?
I personally can't stand the man. Cant abide Ferguson or Utd either .However that relates to football ONLY nothing else I can distinguish between Sir Alex Ferguson as a person who does a great deal of good for his family and Charity etc and the Man who manages my rival team.
Somewhere the ability of people to understand the difference between the football gound and outside it has gone.
You can only support your team by doing exactly that, going along and trying to smack someone is insane.If we are not careful we will all be behind wire fences again all because of a few nutters.
Somewhere the ability of people to understand the difference between the football gound and outside it has gone.
You can only support your team by doing exactly that, going along and trying to smack someone is insane.If we are not careful we will all be behind wire fences again all because of a few nutters.
Uhura fighter said:
Eric Mc said:
I think the atmosphere between the two clubs is poisonous most of the time.
Why did he get attacked by a Hearts fan?Lennon courts controversy in that he almost goads those who dislike him to dislike him more. Instead of trying to defuse the sitaution, he exacerbates it.
It still doesn't justify a physical assault on him - but he certainly doesn't help his own cause at times.
So do people not like him because he had the same sort of characteristics as Mourinho? i.e Jose putting his fingers to his lips when Chelsea scored against Liverpool.
I know Mourinho isn't everyones cup of tea but he doesn't get bullets or deaths threats sent to him.
I dont watch Scottish football so I haven't seen how he conducts himself. I did see the spat with Rangers and that didn't look too pretty. I just put that down to the old firm rivalry.
I remember Niel Lennon getting death threats when he was playing for N Ireland - why him and no one else?
It just seems to have followed him throughout his career? It can't be just because people don't like him?
I know Mourinho isn't everyones cup of tea but he doesn't get bullets or deaths threats sent to him.
I dont watch Scottish football so I haven't seen how he conducts himself. I did see the spat with Rangers and that didn't look too pretty. I just put that down to the old firm rivalry.
I remember Niel Lennon getting death threats when he was playing for N Ireland - why him and no one else?
It just seems to have followed him throughout his career? It can't be just because people don't like him?
Diablos-666 said:
I remember Niel Lennon getting death threats when he was playing for N Ireland - why him and no one else?
It just seems to have followed him throughout his career? It can't be just because people don't like him?
It only started when he moved to Celtic, he had no hassle when he was at his previous clubs.It just seems to have followed him throughout his career? It can't be just because people don't like him?
Some people didn't take kindly to a NI Catholic playing for Celtic and his life has never been the same since.
It's bigotry, plain and simple.
Edited by YOF626 on Thursday 12th May 12:18
YOF626 said:
Diablos-666 said:
I remember Niel Lennon getting death threats when he was playing for N Ireland - why him and no one else?
It just seems to have followed him throughout his career? It can't be just because people don't like him?
It only started when he moved to Celtic, he had no hassle when he was at his previous clubs.It just seems to have followed him throughout his career? It can't be just because people don't like him?
Some people didn't take kindly to a NI Catholic playing for Celtic and his life has never been the same since.
It's bigotry, plain and simple.
Edited by YOF626 on Thursday 12th May 12:18
He carries a lot of baggage with him.
Eric Mc said:
There's a bit more to it than that. He had death threats issued against him when he was a player as well. He was selected to play for Northern Ireland but had to resign his place in the team due to threats against him and his family. He even got booed by some Northern Ireland football supporters (obviously from the "other side").
Those things only started once he joined Celtic as a player though.So you have to ask yourself if he wasn't booed and given death threats when he played for Leicester why did it start when he moved to Celtic?
I never liked him as a player when at Leicester City either but thats a whole country mile away from wanting him hurt. Seems people these days cant spot the difference between support and fanatacism.
If you havent ever met him as a person rather than as someone in football sending him death threats seems rather scary.
If you havent ever met him as a person rather than as someone in football sending him death threats seems rather scary.
YOF626 said:
Eric Mc said:
There's a bit more to it than that. He had death threats issued against him when he was a player as well. He was selected to play for Northern Ireland but had to resign his place in the team due to threats against him and his family. He even got booed by some Northern Ireland football supporters (obviously from the "other side").
Those things only started once he joined Celtic as a player though.So you have to ask yourself if he wasn't booed and given death threats when he played for Leicester why did it start when he moved to Celtic?
Then the next match he was informed of death threats from some loyalist faction, and that was it.
Eric Mc said:
He may not have been a Hearts fan?
Lennon courts controversy in that he almost goads those who dislike him to dislike him more. Instead of trying to defuse the sitaution, he exacerbates it.
It still doesn't justify a physical assault on him - but he certainly doesn't help his own cause at times.
You're right. He brings it on himself. And the people he goads are more-or-less brain free. So you're wrong. It does justify a physical assault on him. Because that is the inevitable outcome of goading the brain free. Disturbingly, he is not so stupid that he isn't aware of this. So why DOES he stir up trouble? Lennon courts controversy in that he almost goads those who dislike him to dislike him more. Instead of trying to defuse the sitaution, he exacerbates it.
It still doesn't justify a physical assault on him - but he certainly doesn't help his own cause at times.
The man's got issues. And I think senior staff at the club are aware he has issues. And I don't think he'll be at the club very long.
Your other post was way off the mark, tho. There isn't a poisonous atmosphere between the clubs. At a senior management level they are courteous and co-operative with each other in their professional relationship. Serious fallouts are rare. Outrageous fallouts are unknown. Many of the 2 clubs' players are friendly with each other. And more than 95% of the supporters, whilst enjoying the rivalry and the banter and even the more gross and non-pc banter, are well aware that there's a big difference between '90 minute bigotry'/rough banter and taking it seriously and trying to really cause hurt or damage to people - mentally or physically.
Only the last category are a problem. They split into 2 types. 1)A very very small number of warped and twisted individuals who have the ability to influence the thinking and behaviour of 2)a larger (tho still relatively small) number of brainfree neds who are exploited into acting out the agendas of group 1). They are nothing to do with football, or Rangers and Celtic. Rangers and Celtic and their religious traditions and origins are just a convenient platform.
Personally, I like singing our traditional songs. Yes they are like our battle cries. And yes they reminisce on long long ago when these were real battles between our two tribes. I don't take the slightest offence when the manky mob sing up either. It just goads me to sing our songs even louder.
And there's nothing better than the games when both teams AND both sets of fans are in full cry!
Then at the final whistle it's back to normal again. And back to normal means working shoulder to shoulder with the same guys (my colleagues and friends) I've just been hurling abuse at! Guys who play rugby can probably understand something about this. What happens on the pitch stays on the pitch. And even then, there's a world of difference between being a hard hard player and deliberately trying to injure. And after the game it's time for a beer together. Well with the Old Firm it's something akin to this.
The problem arises with a small small minority. To them it's really serious. Last night the manky mob were chanting their IRA stuff. That includes guys I know and work with. Do I think they are realtime IRA sympathisers and activists who support militant and terrorist activity? Yeah. For 90 minutes at the game they are. Some of that crowd are probably serving Brits. Some of them are married to prods. And a tiny tiny number of that chanting crowd take their nonsense seriously. But it's NOTHING to do with football. It's not really anything to do with politics either. And it CERTAINLY isn't anything to do with religion.
The bigotry is the same on both sides and any Celtic fan who denies it is a liar. Waving the tricolour, singing IRA songs goes on at Celtic park just as much as Rangers fans sing their own sectarian songs. Lennon has done nothing to diffuse the bad feeling, on the contrary hes gone out of his way to inflame it, accusing the Scottish referees of cheating against Celtic, getting several long touchline bans in the process. He then attacked Ally McCoist after an already heated derby match at Celtic park, walked round the pitch at Ibrox a month ago goading Rangers fans and only this week accused Hearts of losing to Rangers on purpose. While attacking him isnt the answer he incites trouble on an almost weekly basis. Hes anything but innocent in all this nonsense.
YOF626 said:
Eric Mc said:
There's a bit more to it than that. He had death threats issued against him when he was a player as well. He was selected to play for Northern Ireland but had to resign his place in the team due to threats against him and his family. He even got booed by some Northern Ireland football supporters (obviously from the "other side").
Those things only started once he joined Celtic as a player though.So you have to ask yourself if he wasn't booed and given death threats when he played for Leicester why did it start when he moved to Celtic?
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