The PH Gun Cabinet - Shooting Matters

[wildoliver]

Don't buy a gun just for guests, buy it for you and let guests use it. So what do you need in a gun? Need an ou for game/field? If not then what will you use it for? A light field gun is fine for occasional clays but far from ideal, if it's only ever used on clays it makes no sense. Personally I love semis, have you tried a Beretta semi? They shoot differently to franchis. No reason a beginner can't use one (arguably better as less recoil so ideal for women/kids) and if you find one you like you will use it too.

The sv10s are damned cheap now because no one really wants them, so of your list if it's not going to get used much that has to be worth a thought. They did field and sporting versions (perennial/prevail) it's basically the fore runner to the early 690 series. Had the stupid ejectors but didn't have the explodo-action.

You can't go too far wrong with any of the 68 series ultimately, just choose the one you like. Really nice 682s are for nothing these days.

[andyb28]

wildoliver said:

Don't buy a gun just for guests, buy it for you and let guests use it. So what do you need in a gun? Need an ou for game/field? If not then what will you use it for? A light field gun is fine for occasional clays but far from ideal, if it's only ever used on clays it makes no sense. Personally I love semis, have you tried a Beretta semi? They shoot differently to franchis. No reason a beginner can't use one (arguably better as less recoil so ideal for women/kids) and if you find one you like you will use it too.

The sv10s are damned cheap now because no one really wants them, so of your list if it's not going to get used much that has to be worth a thought. They did field and sporting versions (perennial/prevail) it's basically the fore runner to the early 690 series. Had the stupid ejectors but didn't have the explodo-action.

You can't go too far wrong with any of the 68 series ultimately, just choose the one you like. Really nice 682s are for nothing these days.

Appreciate your thoughts on this, along with the previous suggestions of a Silver Pigeon being a safe bet.
I am a field shooter that does some clays, rather than the other way round. Having said that, I am using a sport gun for pretty much everything now.

When I changed to the 694, it took me a bit of time to adjust to it. I am not an expert on gun sizing / fitting, so please excuse the naive description here. I found at the clay ground that my 694 shoots higher than most other guns I have ever shot. I had to lower my line, just a bit. Perhaps its the high comb, but I really do not know. Once I got used to it, as I mentioned earlier, my scores and consistency improved. So ideally, I do not want something that shoots too different from the 694.

You did raise a very good point about another gun for me that guests can use and I also think that's important.
When I posted the question, my gut said to get the Miroku as I have never owned one and just fancied something that wasn't Beretta, plus the wood looks amazing on them. However, I am well aware that I am well and truly in the Beretta camp and it works for me.

Ultimately my plan is to visit the shop next week and have a properly look and chat. My nearest shop with a big selection is Easternsporting.

[Rojibo]

More weird stuff happening with White Golds for me today, had a few shells go off with what I’d describe as a flat report, almost like a strange ting/ringing noise. The ref noticed it as did my shooting buddy, the barrels weren’t obstructed or anything just wonder if anyone has experienced similar, and what it might mean.

Think I’ll be going back to Pro Ones from now on.

[jimmyjimjim]

Harry Flashman said:

Will go to a Magpul CTR stock in olive green, and matching pistol grip. My brother in law has this on his 5.56 AR setup in the US, and I have shot it with him and liked that setup. Shall buy them over there in the summer as here they are largely unavailable and also expensive for such a mass produced item.

Get the LaRue RISR or other cheek riser for the magpul CTR. Make for a much more comfortable cheek weld. The reciprocating part of it is hardly necessary for anything other than an AR-15(required for the charging handle), but as it's all AR-15 specific you likely won't find a cheek rest without something similar.

[wildoliver]

andyb28 said:

wildoliver said:

Don't buy a gun just for guests, buy it for you and let guests use it. So what do you need in a gun? Need an ou for game/field? If not then what will you use it for? A light field gun is fine for occasional clays but far from ideal, if it's only ever used on clays it makes no sense. Personally I love semis, have you tried a Beretta semi? They shoot differently to franchis. No reason a beginner can't use one (arguably better as less recoil so ideal for women/kids) and if you find one you like you will use it too.

The sv10s are damned cheap now because no one really wants them, so of your list if it's not going to get used much that has to be worth a thought. They did field and sporting versions (perennial/prevail) it's basically the fore runner to the early 690 series. Had the stupid ejectors but didn't have the explodo-action.

You can't go too far wrong with any of the 68 series ultimately, just choose the one you like. Really nice 682s are for nothing these days.

Appreciate your thoughts on this, along with the previous suggestions of a Silver Pigeon being a safe bet.
I am a field shooter that does some clays, rather than the other way round. Having said that, I am using a sport gun for pretty much everything now.

When I changed to the 694, it took me a bit of time to adjust to it. I am not an expert on gun sizing / fitting, so please excuse the naive description here. I found at the clay ground that my 694 shoots higher than most other guns I have ever shot. I had to lower my line, just a bit. Perhaps its the high comb, but I really do not know. Once I got used to it, as I mentioned earlier, my scores and consistency improved. So ideally, I do not want something that shoots too different from the 694.

You did raise a very good point about another gun for me that guests can use and I also think that's important.
When I posted the question, my gut said to get the Miroku as I have never owned one and just fancied something that wasn't Beretta, plus the wood looks amazing on them. However, I am well aware that I am well and truly in the Beretta camp and it works for me.

Ultimately my plan is to visit the shop next week and have a properly look and chat. My nearest shop with a big selection is Easternsporting.

Get the shop to lend you an Ulrika or excel basically any modernish Beretta semi, take it for a quick round of shooting, it's good to discount it if nothing else.

Miroku/browning are lovely, there's a whole raft of guns that are all very similar in feel and character including Winchester, classic doubles, Nikko etc. I've shot a lot with them and just don't gel at all, but have always loved berettas.

If you don't love how the 694 shoots, looking at something older might fix that, the current trend seems to be to sporters that 20-30 years ago would have been more fitting to use for trap, shooting high, high combs, high rib, heavy, long barrels, try a 682/686 sporter from the 80/90s it's a different animal.

But I'd also suggest don't get too many guns, I shoot much better if I just get in to one gun and use it all the time.

[Turn7]

Hello Gents.....

Due to a combination of Holidays and other life issues, we find our Monthly shoot lacking enough numbers to go ahead.

I have always wanted to recreate a PH shoot at Bisley organised by Ph'er Tertious back in the day.

I just wondered if there was sufficient appetite to try and book something next (July) month....

Thinking of either 2 or 3 hour group shoot as per the link....

Please let me know what you think. Last summer there was a good appetite for some clay breaking, and this is pretty local for a good number here IIRC.

https://www.bisleyshooting.com/shooting/group-shoo...

[aeropilot]

Having missed out on Coley's a few months ago, due to a family do, I was looking forward to next months at Barbury......gutted if that's now been busted from the calender....

Half way through the year, and not got to attend one yet

[Turn7]

aeropilot said:

Having missed out on Coley's a few months ago, due to a family do, I was looking forward to next months at Barbury......gutted if that's now been busted from the calender....

Half way through the year, and not got to attend one yet

If you want to shoot Barbury, tell me when and we’ll do it…

[Vixpy1]

Turn7 said:

Hello Gents.....

Due to a combination of Holidays and other life issues, we find our Monthly shoot lacking enough numbers to go ahead.

I have always wanted to recreate a PH shoot at Bisley organised by Ph'er Tertious back in the day.

I just wondered if there was sufficient appetite to try and book something next (July) month....

Thinking of either 2 or 3 hour group shoot as per the link....

Please let me know what you think. Last summer there was a good appetite for some clay breaking, and this is pretty local for a good number here IIRC.

https://www.bisleyshooting.com/shooting/group-shoo...

Absolutely up for it, But .. I'm on holiday till the 15th so last 2 weeks of July please

[Turn7]

Vixpy1 said:

Turn7 said:

Hello Gents.....

Due to a combination of Holidays and other life issues, we find our Monthly shoot lacking enough numbers to go ahead.

I have always wanted to recreate a PH shoot at Bisley organised by Ph'er Tertious back in the day.

I just wondered if there was sufficient appetite to try and book something next (July) month....

Thinking of either 2 or 3 hour group shoot as per the link....

Please let me know what you think. Last summer there was a good appetite for some clay breaking, and this is pretty local for a good number here IIRC.

https://www.bisleyshooting.com/shooting/group-shoo...

Absolutely up for it, But .. I'm on holiday till the 15th so last 2 weeks of July please

Great, minimum of three required…
You were with us on one of the Bisley shoots Tertious organised IIRC….

[aeropilot]

Turn7 said:

Thinking of either 2 or 3 hour group shoot as per the link....

Please let me know what you think. Last summer there was a good appetite for some clay breaking, and this is pretty local for a good number here IIRC.

https://www.bisleyshooting.com/shooting/group-shoo...

That's aimed at people who haven't shot, or don't own their own gun, as gun hire, insurance etc, and instructor is included...which is why its so expensive.
If everyone has own gun, as per current monthly shoots, why would you book one of these group sessions?

Bisley Long Sib is pay n play, so you just book up for how ever many. You need your own insurance though, so BASC, or CPSA etc membership required.

[Turn7]

They offer group shoots for experienced guns as well, plus no insurance requirements….

[aeropilot]

Turn7 said:

They offer group shoots for experienced guns as well, plus no insurance requirements….

Aah, OK, I've not been there for a while, even though its only 20mins away, as people I used to shoot there with have now moved out to Wiltshire.
Wonder when they stopped the insurance requirement, as it was still the case last time I shot there back in 2022?

I'm always up for joining a 'clay preservation society' club meet at Bisley, as its only down the road for me.

[Turn7]

aeropilot said:

Turn7 said:

They offer group shoots for experienced guns as well, plus no insurance requirements….

Aah, OK, I've not been there for a while, even though its only 20mins away, as people I used to shoot there with have now moved out to Wiltshire.
Wonder when they stopped the insurance requirement, as it was still the case last time I shot there back in 2022?

I'm always up for joining a 'clay preservation society' club meet at Bisley, as its only down the road for me.

Just for Clarity - Long Siberia do require insurance, Bisley shooting ground don’t….

The whole Bisley thing is complicated


Also- I replied to your comment on the monthly shoot thread…

[aeropilot]

Turn7 said:

aeropilot said:

Turn7 said:

They offer group shoots for experienced guns as well, plus no insurance requirements….

Aah, OK, I've not been there for a while, even though its only 20mins away, as people I used to shoot there with have now moved out to Wiltshire.
Wonder when they stopped the insurance requirement, as it was still the case last time I shot there back in 2022?

I'm always up for joining a 'clay preservation society' club meet at Bisley, as its only down the road for me.

Just for Clarity - Long Siberia do require insurance, Bisley shooting ground don’t….

Aah........gotcha.

I just assumed you were talking about Long Sib as the monthly shoots have all been sporting so far.

[Turn7]

aeropilot said:

Turn7 said:

aeropilot said:

Turn7 said:

They offer group shoots for experienced guns as well, plus no insurance requirements….

Aah, OK, I've not been there for a while, even though its only 20mins away, as people I used to shoot there with have now moved out to Wiltshire.
Wonder when they stopped the insurance requirement, as it was still the case last time I shot there back in 2022?

I'm always up for joining a 'clay preservation society' club meet at Bisley, as its only down the road for me.

Just for Clarity - Long Siberia do require insurance, Bisley shooting ground don’t….

Aah........gotcha.

I just assumed you were talking about Long Sib as the monthly shoots have all been sporting so far.

And that’s where Bisley gets complicated ….

As I understand it , you have:

Long Sib, pay and play
Bisley National shooting centre
Bisley shooting ground.

The centre is rifle skeet dtl type clays

Bisley shooting ground offers sporting clays , over pretty heath land with a guide /instructoe/caddie

I stand to be corrected as it seems very complex and political

[aeropilot]

Turn7 said:

aeropilot said:

Turn7 said:

aeropilot said:

Turn7 said:

They offer group shoots for experienced guns as well, plus no insurance requirements….

Aah, OK, I've not been there for a while, even though its only 20mins away, as people I used to shoot there with have now moved out to Wiltshire.
Wonder when they stopped the insurance requirement, as it was still the case last time I shot there back in 2022?

I'm always up for joining a 'clay preservation society' club meet at Bisley, as its only down the road for me.

Just for Clarity - Long Siberia do require insurance, Bisley shooting ground don’t….

Aah........gotcha.

I just assumed you were talking about Long Sib as the monthly shoots have all been sporting so far.

And that’s where Bisley gets complicated ….

As I understand it , you have:

Long Sib, pay and play
Bisley National shooting centre
Bisley shooting ground.

The centre is rifle skeet dtl type clays

Bisley shooting ground offers sporting clays , over pretty heath land with a guide /instructoe/caddie

I stand to be corrected as it seems very complex and political

Aah.....never knew about this, that's over on the Heath where they do the expensive PRS type rifle shoots......I wonder how they dovetail doing that with anyone booking the Heath for rifle...

I think the Caddied round option shown below (with own cartridges) rather than the group (unless people want instruction) is a more viable option....?
Not sure how many allowed max per squad?

https://www.bisleyshooting.com/shooting/clay-shoot...

[Turn7]

aeropilot said:

Turn7 said:

aeropilot said:

Turn7 said:

aeropilot said:

Turn7 said:

They offer group shoots for experienced guns as well, plus no insurance requirements….

Aah, OK, I've not been there for a while, even though its only 20mins away, as people I used to shoot there with have now moved out to Wiltshire.
Wonder when they stopped the insurance requirement, as it was still the case last time I shot there back in 2022?

I'm always up for joining a 'clay preservation society' club meet at Bisley, as its only down the road for me.

Just for Clarity - Long Siberia do require insurance, Bisley shooting ground don’t….

Aah........gotcha.

I just assumed you were talking about Long Sib as the monthly shoots have all been sporting so far.

And that’s where Bisley gets complicated ….

As I understand it , you have:

Long Sib, pay and play
Bisley National shooting centre
Bisley shooting ground.

The centre is rifle skeet dtl type clays

Bisley shooting ground offers sporting clays , over pretty heath land with a guide /instructoe/caddie

I stand to be corrected as it seems very complex and political

Aah.....never knew about this, that's over on the Heath where they do the expensive PRS type rifle shoots......I wonder how they dovetail doing that with anyone booking the Heath for rifle...

I think the Caddied round option shown below (with own cartridges) rather than the group (unless people want instruction) is a more viable option....?
Not sure how many allowed max per squad?

https://www.bisleyshooting.com/shooting/clay-shoot...

Yes, exactly that.......

Couldnt find that link quickly at work, and wanted to try and get something going for July really.

We did it in the early 90s on here and it was huge fun.....

[Frogmella]

Green pea introducing himself.

I've been wanting to get involved in this thread for a while. However, I am based in the US (but British). My hobby differs from the motherland due to the obvious access we have to firearms in this part of the world.

But, I have just started a build that I thought may be of interest. My father was in the Army from late 60's through till 1979 and his firearm was a L1A1/SLR/Fal. Rather than buy yet another of the usual pistols and AR based platform which I have plenty of, I have decided to build a period and specification correct L1A1.

Parts are a little trickier to source over here for the British 'inch' pattern guns. Once they are all sourced it will be sent out to a renowned builder for assembly. His response to my build was 'just buy a modern replica, it will be far cheaper and quicker'. My response to that is, a great deal of the reward of this project is the thrill of the chase to find the elusive L1A1 parts!

Anyhow, enough blather. Here is a photo of what I have collated so far:

[Rojibo]

Got rather sick of pushing my glasses up my nose all the time and went and got some prescription inserts to go in some Pilla lenses. Look a bit ridiculous in them and have yet to shoot in them, but looking forward to giving them a run out on Wednesday evening.





Pretty neat that I can just swap the inserts between lenses when I inevitably end up buying more.