The **BOXING** thread (Vol 4)
Discussion
biggbn said:
I didn't think he came unstuck. Yes, he lost; I had him by one round, the commentary team were all split and this 'usyk walked it' narrative is simply revisionist.
I don't think the narrative is he walked it, it's that he clearly won. What commentary were you listening to? The US commentary said it was close but all thought Usyk won, and I've posted the media scorecards below, where all but one give it to Usyk. If you had it by one round to Usyk, I think that's as close as you can fairly give it and you're giving Fury every possible round. Live I had it 8-4 Usyk, personally. On rewatch I've only given Fury 5, 6 and 7. I watched it back and tried to put down which rounds I felt Usyk definitely won, which Fury definitely won, and which ones you could give either way and I have:
Usyk clearly won: 1,2,3,8,9,10,11
Fury clearly won: 5,6
Can give either way: 4,7,12
Some of the "clearly won" rounds are wider than others, but you'd have to squint and ignore some of the other guy's work to give any the other way.
That gives an "acceptable" score range of 118-109 to Usyk to 115-112 to Usyk
I think the media scorecards show an A-side bias, which is to be expected, but even then, they can't give Fury the win (except one)
Ultimately it was a competitive fight with only one winner - much like the AJ fights.
Media scorecards:
The Guardian 116-111 Usyk
The Sporting News 114-113 Usyk
ESPN 115-112 Usyk
Bad Left Hook 116-111 Usyk
Fight Freaks 115-112 Usyk
Dan Rafael 115-112 Usyk
Yahoo Sports 114-113 Usyk
Sun Sports 114-113 Usyk
MMA Fighting 114-113 Usyk
MMA Mania 115-113 Usyk
Chris Mannix 115-112 Usyk
Draft Kings 117-110 Usyk
Sporting News 114-113 Usyk
World boxing news 116-111 Usyk
Independent Sport- 115-112 Usyk
Usa Today 114-113 Usyk
Fightsatw 115-112 Usyk
Mike Coppinger 115-112 Usyk
Kevin Iole 115-112 Usyk
Al Bernstein 115-112 Usyk
Sports Illustrated 115-112 Usyk
CBS Sports- 114-113 Fury?
Pugaris said:
biggbn said:
I didn't think he came unstuck. Yes, he lost; I had him by one round, the commentary team were all split and this 'usyk walked it' narrative is simply revisionist.
I don't think the narrative is he walked it, it's that he clearly won. What commentary were you listening to? The US commentary said it was close but all thought Usyk won, and I've posted the media scorecards below, where all but one give it to Usyk. If you had it by one round to Usyk, I think that's as close as you can fairly give it and you're giving Fury every possible round. Live I had it 8-4 Usyk, personally. On rewatch I've only given Fury 5, 6 and 7. I watched it back and tried to put down which rounds I felt Usyk definitely won, which Fury definitely won, and which ones you could give either way and I have:
Usyk clearly won: 1,2,3,8,9,10,11
Fury clearly won: 5,6
Can give either way: 4,7,12
Some of the "clearly won" rounds are wider than others, but you'd have to squint and ignore some of the other guy's work to give any the other way.
That gives an "acceptable" score range of 118-109 to Usyk to 115-112 to Usyk
I think the media scorecards show an A-side bias, which is to be expected, but even then, they can't give Fury the win (except one)
Ultimately it was a competitive fight with only one winner - much like the AJ fights.
Media scorecards:
The Guardian 116-111 Usyk
The Sporting News 114-113 Usyk
ESPN 115-112 Usyk
Bad Left Hook 116-111 Usyk
Fight Freaks 115-112 Usyk
Dan Rafael 115-112 Usyk
Yahoo Sports 114-113 Usyk
Sun Sports 114-113 Usyk
MMA Fighting 114-113 Usyk
MMA Mania 115-113 Usyk
Chris Mannix 115-112 Usyk
Draft Kings 117-110 Usyk
Sporting News 114-113 Usyk
World boxing news 116-111 Usyk
Independent Sport- 115-112 Usyk
Usa Today 114-113 Usyk
Fightsatw 115-112 Usyk
Mike Coppinger 115-112 Usyk
Kevin Iole 115-112 Usyk
Al Bernstein 115-112 Usyk
Sports Illustrated 115-112 Usyk
CBS Sports- 114-113 Fury?
For me, the right man, the BEST man, won...but I think both deserve huge plaudits for an enthralling fight, one during which both men looked beaten at points but both finished...People were, rather laughably, saying Fury would quit on his stool, Usyk would embarrass him etc...wonder how they feel now? They will just find something else to criticise him for...'fake' mental health problems perhaps? Such a divisive character who win, lose or draw gave the consensus best hw of his generation a cracking fight, yet who his detractors still say is 'rubbish'? I don't get it. They are both very, very good fighters.
'Fury won't turn up', 'Fury will quit' 'Usyk will make him look stupid' 'Fury won't lay a glove on him'. Those were the pre fight sentiments of many...ridiculous, isn't it?
You had Fury winning the Usyk fight by a round? How!?
I didn't think it was particularly close Fury had three decent rounds and he was very very very lucky not to have been KOd another fight where the ref loved him he's been lucky with that in his career.
The best thing Fury does is he's a showman and I think his biggest achievement in the sport has to be packing out Spurs stadium for the Chisora fight which literally nobody wanted to see. He's created some epic paydays from on paper very poor fights.
At the end of the day he's a completely horrible human being and a drug cheat who's ruined the division in an era when we could have had some good fights. If it wasn't for the Saudis he wouldn't have fought Usyk he would probably be making noise about getting David Price out of retirement or something like that at this moment.
I didn't think it was particularly close Fury had three decent rounds and he was very very very lucky not to have been KOd another fight where the ref loved him he's been lucky with that in his career.
The best thing Fury does is he's a showman and I think his biggest achievement in the sport has to be packing out Spurs stadium for the Chisora fight which literally nobody wanted to see. He's created some epic paydays from on paper very poor fights.
At the end of the day he's a completely horrible human being and a drug cheat who's ruined the division in an era when we could have had some good fights. If it wasn't for the Saudis he wouldn't have fought Usyk he would probably be making noise about getting David Price out of retirement or something like that at this moment.
biggbn said:
'Fury won't turn up', 'Fury will quit' 'Usyk will make him look stupid' 'Fury won't lay a glove on him'. Those were the pre fight sentiments of many...ridiculous, isn't it?
I;m no fan of Fury the civilian, but I agree those comments are daft. He messes about and acts like an clown pre-fight, (perhaps thinking he's distracting his opponent?), but I don't think anyone can question his heart. He's got up several times and gone on to win, and there's no way he'd ever quit of his own volition. He overuses his "fighting man" description, but he actually is imo.fridaypassion said:
biggbn said:
How can Fury simultaneously be a massive fraud yet Usyk an ATG for beating him? If Fury is that bad, Usyk's record at heavyweight is one of the worst of any of the champs, isn't it? You can't have it both ways! I think Usyk beating Fury cements his place as the best of his generation, but I rate Fury; Usyk beats AJ 99/100 for me, the big lad was made for him!!
What were Fury's previous four fights? Fury has come unstuck as soon as he has stepped in with any truly elite opposition. I would really put him at the level of Dubois/Joyce/Zhang although would he beat any of those guys? I'm not so sure! You don't rate fury and you're entitled to that opinion, fine... There's lots of people that don't rate AJ.. no one else he's beat at heavyweight is worth mentioning.
Yazza54 said:
Playing devil's advocate here but this perspective can be flipped.. Maybe Usyk hasn't stepped in with a truly elite heavyweight opposition yet? Maybe there aren't any!
You don't rate fury and you're entitled to that opinion, fine... There's lots of people that don't rate AJ.. no one else he's beat at heavyweight is worth mentioning.
They should organize a system of all these fighters getting in the Ring and fighting eachother to find out who's best You don't rate fury and you're entitled to that opinion, fine... There's lots of people that don't rate AJ.. no one else he's beat at heavyweight is worth mentioning.
fridaypassion said:
Yazza54 said:
Playing devil's advocate here but this perspective can be flipped.. Maybe Usyk hasn't stepped in with a truly elite heavyweight opposition yet? Maybe there aren't any!
You don't rate fury and you're entitled to that opinion, fine... There's lots of people that don't rate AJ.. no one else he's beat at heavyweight is worth mentioning.
They should organize a system of all these fighters getting in the Ring and fighting eachother to find out who's best You don't rate fury and you're entitled to that opinion, fine... There's lots of people that don't rate AJ.. no one else he's beat at heavyweight is worth mentioning.
Yazza54 said:
What does it matter if the system means nothing because they're no good in your eyes?
The systems working pretty well from what I can see. Fury has not faced the absolute top level opponents until Usyk and then he lost that's all I'm saying and it's exactly what's happened in not putting a spin on it. Does Fury beat AJ/Zhang/Joyce or even Dubois? I'm not so sure he would.
fridaypassion said:
Yazza54 said:
What does it matter if the system means nothing because they're no good in your eyes?
The systems working pretty well from what I can see. Fury has not faced the absolute top level opponents until Usyk and then he lost that's all I'm saying and it's exactly what's happened in not putting a spin on it. Does Fury beat AJ/Zhang/Joyce or even Dubois? I'm not so sure he would.
biggbn said:
I had Fury by one round man, but could not argue a round either way or a draw, many of the rounds were hard to split. I've rewatched it and still had Fury by one, then a draw. I watched it on Virgin DAZN PPV. I could watch it again and give it Usyk, I thought it was that close.
For me, the right man, the BEST man, won...but I think both deserve huge plaudits for an enthralling fight, one during which both men looked beaten at points but both finished...People were, rather laughably, saying Fury would quit on his stool, Usyk would embarrass him etc...wonder how they feel now? They will just find something else to criticise him for...'fake' mental health problems perhaps? Such a divisive character who win, lose or draw gave the consensus best hw of his generation a cracking fight, yet who his detractors still say is 'rubbish'? I don't get it. They are both very, very good fighters.
'Fury won't turn up', 'Fury will quit' 'Usyk will make him look stupid' 'Fury won't lay a glove on him'. Those were the pre fight sentiments of many...ridiculous, isn't it?
Look, I really respect your opinion on here and love talking boxing with you, but I've got to say that's a really, really bad scorecard that does not reflect the reality of the fight. For me, the right man, the BEST man, won...but I think both deserve huge plaudits for an enthralling fight, one during which both men looked beaten at points but both finished...People were, rather laughably, saying Fury would quit on his stool, Usyk would embarrass him etc...wonder how they feel now? They will just find something else to criticise him for...'fake' mental health problems perhaps? Such a divisive character who win, lose or draw gave the consensus best hw of his generation a cracking fight, yet who his detractors still say is 'rubbish'? I don't get it. They are both very, very good fighters.
'Fury won't turn up', 'Fury will quit' 'Usyk will make him look stupid' 'Fury won't lay a glove on him'. Those were the pre fight sentiments of many...ridiculous, isn't it?
I think maybe you're being suckered in by the 'impact' of a big man landing, and overindexing on Fury's shots. I think this is what I did, too, when I have Fury 5 rounds. It's somehow easier to notice the massive dude landing something and it instantly makes you worried for the smaller guy, even if in reality the shots are no more impactful
Outside of rounds 5 and 6, Usyk is landing multiple 2, 3, and 4 punch combinations on Fury, he's the front food aggressor, he's landing more punches, his defence is better and he's controlling the center of the ring. He's hitting all of the scoring criteria. Rounds 4 and 7 are kinda rounds of 2 halves, in the 4th Usyk clearly wins the first half with Fury having all his success in the 2nd, and the 7th is the other way around.
Look at these starts from Jabbr (far more accurate than Compubox) and they'll tell you the same thing
https://x.com/jabbr_ai/status/1791989866546311328?...
I agree they are both very good fighters, and I thought it was a great, competitive fight that Fury deserves credit for. I also think that's what the majority of people have said, and going in I don't think there were too many dismissive of Fury's chances (mostly the sentiment was Fury would win, except in this thread full of scholars!)
But it's not really that they are both very good. Fury is very good, Usyk is levels above and he showed that. The guy is fighting with a serious weight and reach disadvantage and beating the 2nd and 3rd best HWs in the world pretty comfortably. He's one of the best to EVER do it, in any weight class. Fury is 'just' one of the best HWs of his era. That's a very respectable position to occupy, but he's not on Usyk's level
Yazza54 said:
Playing devil's advocate here but this perspective can be flipped.. Maybe Usyk hasn't stepped in with a truly elite heavyweight opposition yet? Maybe there aren't any!
You don't rate fury and you're entitled to that opinion, fine... There's lots of people that don't rate AJ.. no one else he's beat at heavyweight is worth mentioning.
You can only beat what's in front of you, and he cleared out a tough CW division before stepping up.You don't rate fury and you're entitled to that opinion, fine... There's lots of people that don't rate AJ.. no one else he's beat at heavyweight is worth mentioning.
Hrgovic was the supposed boogeyman of the division, and he just got beat by someone Usyk won every round against and stopped, so I wouldn't say none of his other opponents are worth mentioning
Fury and AJ are good HWs and they'd be near the top of the division in any era, but not number 1 in the most competitive eras.
Pugaris said:
biggbn said:
I had Fury by one round man, but could not argue a round either way or a draw, many of the rounds were hard to split. I've rewatched it and still had Fury by one, then a draw. I watched it on Virgin DAZN PPV. I could watch it again and give it Usyk, I thought it was that close.
For me, the right man, the BEST man, won...but I think both deserve huge plaudits for an enthralling fight, one during which both men looked beaten at points but both finished...People were, rather laughably, saying Fury would quit on his stool, Usyk would embarrass him etc...wonder how they feel now? They will just find something else to criticise him for...'fake' mental health problems perhaps? Such a divisive character who win, lose or draw gave the consensus best hw of his generation a cracking fight, yet who his detractors still say is 'rubbish'? I don't get it. They are both very, very good fighters.
'Fury won't turn up', 'Fury will quit' 'Usyk will make him look stupid' 'Fury won't lay a glove on him'. Those were the pre fight sentiments of many...ridiculous, isn't it?
Look, I really respect your opinion on here and love talking boxing with you, but I've got to say that's a really, really bad scorecard that does not reflect the reality of the fight. For me, the right man, the BEST man, won...but I think both deserve huge plaudits for an enthralling fight, one during which both men looked beaten at points but both finished...People were, rather laughably, saying Fury would quit on his stool, Usyk would embarrass him etc...wonder how they feel now? They will just find something else to criticise him for...'fake' mental health problems perhaps? Such a divisive character who win, lose or draw gave the consensus best hw of his generation a cracking fight, yet who his detractors still say is 'rubbish'? I don't get it. They are both very, very good fighters.
'Fury won't turn up', 'Fury will quit' 'Usyk will make him look stupid' 'Fury won't lay a glove on him'. Those were the pre fight sentiments of many...ridiculous, isn't it?
I think maybe you're being suckered in by the 'impact' of a big man landing, and overindexing on Fury's shots. I think this is what I did, too, when I have Fury 5 rounds. It's somehow easier to notice the massive dude landing something and it instantly makes you worried for the smaller guy, even if in reality the shots are no more impactful
Outside of rounds 5 and 6, Usyk is landing multiple 2, 3, and 4 punch combinations on Fury, he's the front food aggressor, he's landing more punches, his defence is better and he's controlling the center of the ring. He's hitting all of the scoring criteria. Rounds 4 and 7 are kinda rounds of 2 halves, in the 4th Usyk clearly wins the first half with Fury having all his success in the 2nd, and the 7th is the other way around.
Look at these starts from Jabbr (far more accurate than Compubox) and they'll tell you the same thing
https://x.com/jabbr_ai/status/1791989866546311328?...
I agree they are both very good fighters, and I thought it was a great, competitive fight that Fury deserves credit for. I also think that's what the majority of people have said, and going in I don't think there were too many dismissive of Fury's chances (mostly the sentiment was Fury would win, except in this thread full of scholars!)
But it's not really that they are both very good. Fury is very good, Usyk is levels above and he showed that. The guy is fighting with a serious weight and reach disadvantage and beating the 2nd and 3rd best HWs in the world pretty comfortably. He's one of the best to EVER do it, in any weight class. Fury is 'just' one of the best HWs of his era. That's a very respectable position to occupy, but he's not on Usyk's level
Man, I've watched it sound on, sound off, all the time trying to be objective and I've scored it Fury by a round, Usyk by a round and a draw, which is why I'm not stamping my feet and crying foul, it would be very foolish to do so. I think my one deviation from, I think it was Bunce on the night, was he had it two a piece after four and I'm sure I had it 3-1 Fury, but it'd a while since I've watched it and it's water under the bridge by now. I had Fury clear from 5th through to 8th, so that gives him 7 rounds, Usyk takes over big style and was robbed of a stoppage in the 9th but, I'm sure I gave one of the later rounds to Fury...now, this is using a 'no split rounds' scoring, and some of the rounds I gave Fury were admittedly close, particuallry in the first four and the closing rounds, so, scoring being what it is, I can understand how some had Usyk winning clearly of they employed a 'no split rounds' system and picked him winning some of the close rounds I gave the other way. I must stress, I have zero issues with Usyk winning, he deserved the win and he was winning the fight by its end, an old fashioned but sometimes relevant way to look at things, but if I score the fight using a ten point must system, and not scoring any rounds even, ie, pucking a winner however slender in each round, I had it really close. Have a great Sunday man!! By the way, Lyndon Arthur got pulled into a brawl on Friday, worth a watch!!
Edited by biggbn on Sunday 23 June 15:28
Edited by biggbn on Sunday 23 June 15:30
biggbn said:
Man, I've watched it sound on, sound off, all the time trying to be objective and I've scored it Fury by a round, Usyk by a round and a draw, which is why I'm not stamping my feet and crying foul, it would be very foolish to do so. I think my one deviation from, I think it was Bunce on the night, was he had it two a piece after four and I'm sure I had it 3-1 Fury, but it'd a while since I've watched it and it's water under the bridge by now. I had Fury clear from 5th through to 8th, so that gives him 7 rounds, Usyk takes over big style and was robbed of a stoppage in the 9th but, I'm sure I gave one of the later rounds to Fury...now, this is using a 'no split rounds' scoring, and some of the rounds I gave Fury were admittedly close, particuallry in the first four and the closing rounds, so, scoring being what it is, I can understand how some had Usyk winning clearly of they employed a 'no split rounds' system and picked him winning some of the close rounds I gave the other way. I must stress, I have zero issues with Usyk winning, he deserved the win and he was winning the fight by its end, an old fashioned but sometimes relevant way to look at things, but if I score the fight using a ten point must system, and not scoring any rounds even, ie, pucking a winner however slender in each round, I had it really close. Have a great Sunday man!! By the way, Lyndon Arthur got pulled into a brawl on Friday, worth a watch!!
Usyk significantly outlands Fury in rounds 1, 2 and 4. In rounds 1, 2 and 3, he's on the front foot for the entirety of those rounds, he's pushing Fury into the corners and on the ropes, he's holding the centre ground, he might not take a single step back at all, other than when Fury clowns around on the ropes and he isn't having any of it, and invites him back to the centre of the ring
Round 3, Fury lands his jab a lot more and the landed stats are a lot closer (Usyk still outlands him) but Fury is just landing a jab, which Usyk is always countering with a jab to the body, and Usyk lands a couple of big left hands that visibly hurt Fury, while Fury doesn't land a single right hand or power punch, all jabs.
After Fury clowns on the ropes, Usyk invites him into the centre of the ring and proceeds to land a 3 punch combination that does some real damage. This happens in all of the first 4 rounds, Usyk lands 3, 4 and I think even a 5 punch combination. Fury is replying with some success with his jab and not a lot else, while Usyk is dictating the pace and where the fight is fought.
The first 3 and a half rounds are characterized by Fury trying to keep the fight at distance, win with his jab, and tie Usyk up when he tries to get inside, and failing to do any of this effectively
Usyk counters his jab pretty much every time with his own jab downstairs. Usyk lands this more than Fury lands his jab up top
Every time Fury tries to clinch, he gets wrestle f
ked by Usyk and Usyk lands punches from the clinch when he doesn't simply slip it Fury can't keep the fight on the outside at all, and Usyk gets into his range over and over, pushing Fury to the ropes
Usyk lands the most impactful shots in every single round from 1-4
The scoring criteria are:
Clean punches landed (with an emphasis on damaging shots)
Defence
Ring generalship
Effective aggression
Usyk outlands Fury in every single one of the first 4 rounds, and lands the bigger shots on all of them, too, bar the 4th, where big shots are even. Clean punches landed is Usyk
In all of the first 4 rounds, Fury throws more punches but lands fewer. He lands fewer high impact shots (as judged by Jabbr) in all but the 4th round, where it's even. Usyk clearly is displaying the better defence
Fury can't keep the fight at distance, as he is clearly trying to. Usyk is using his footwork and punch combinations to dictate where the fight is fought, both in terms of ring placement, and the range. This is true in every single one of the first 3 rounds and most of the 4th. That's Usyk displaying the better ring generalship
Usyk is generally keeping Fury on the backfoot, his punches are landing more often, and he visibly hurts Fury 2 or 3 times in the first 4 rounds. Fury has success with his jab in spurts, and does some damage of his own at the end of the 4th, but Usyk is clearly the more effective aggressor in each of the first 3
By literally every scoring criteria, Usyk is performing better than Fury in the first 3 rounds. I know judges and pundits have given Fury rounds here, but I think they either have a bias or are getting swept up by Fury's showmanship. These are excellent rounds from Usyk where he clearly displays who the f
king boss isI'll leave this one now and I do respect your view and how we've been able to engage on this, but no matter how hard I squint, I cannot see how it's possible to score the first 4 rounds fairly and find 3 for Fury, I think you can only find 1 (the 4th) and the 2nd round was one where Fury could have done only a little more to take it, but he didn't!
I haven't seen the Lyndon Artur fight, will check it out! Did you see Crocker Vs Walker last night? Absolute banger, British FOTY for me
Also really recommend watching Miguel Class's breakdown of Fury Vs Usyk for a fantastic analysis on how Usyk was able to do the business. In general Miguel's videos, boxing and MMA, are, well, Class
https://x.com/MigClass/status/1804211896406466568?...
https://x.com/MigClass/status/1804211896406466568?...
Pugaris said:
biggbn said:
Man, I've watched it sound on, sound off, all the time trying to be objective and I've scored it Fury by a round, Usyk by a round and a draw, which is why I'm not stamping my feet and crying foul, it would be very foolish to do so. I think my one deviation from, I think it was Bunce on the night, was he had it two a piece after four and I'm sure I had it 3-1 Fury, but it'd a while since I've watched it and it's water under the bridge by now. I had Fury clear from 5th through to 8th, so that gives him 7 rounds, Usyk takes over big style and was robbed of a stoppage in the 9th but, I'm sure I gave one of the later rounds to Fury...now, this is using a 'no split rounds' scoring, and some of the rounds I gave Fury were admittedly close, particuallry in the first four and the closing rounds, so, scoring being what it is, I can understand how some had Usyk winning clearly of they employed a 'no split rounds' system and picked him winning some of the close rounds I gave the other way. I must stress, I have zero issues with Usyk winning, he deserved the win and he was winning the fight by its end, an old fashioned but sometimes relevant way to look at things, but if I score the fight using a ten point must system, and not scoring any rounds even, ie, pucking a winner however slender in each round, I had it really close. Have a great Sunday man!! By the way, Lyndon Arthur got pulled into a brawl on Friday, worth a watch!!
Usyk significantly outlands Fury in rounds 1, 2 and 4. In rounds 1, 2 and 3, he's on the front foot for the entirety of those rounds, he's pushing Fury into the corners and on the ropes, he's holding the centre ground, he might not take a single step back at all, other than when Fury clowns around on the ropes and he isn't having any of it, and invites him back to the centre of the ring
Round 3, Fury lands his jab a lot more and the landed stats are a lot closer (Usyk still outlands him) but Fury is just landing a jab, which Usyk is always countering with a jab to the body, and Usyk lands a couple of big left hands that visibly hurt Fury, while Fury doesn't land a single right hand or power punch, all jabs.
After Fury clowns on the ropes, Usyk invites him into the centre of the ring and proceeds to land a 3 punch combination that does some real damage. This happens in all of the first 4 rounds, Usyk lands 3, 4 and I think even a 5 punch combination. Fury is replying with some success with his jab and not a lot else, while Usyk is dictating the pace and where the fight is fought.
The first 3 and a half rounds are characterized by Fury trying to keep the fight at distance, win with his jab, and tie Usyk up when he tries to get inside, and failing to do any of this effectively
Usyk counters his jab pretty much every time with his own jab downstairs. Usyk lands this more than Fury lands his jab up top
Every time Fury tries to clinch, he gets wrestle f
ked by Usyk and Usyk lands punches from the clinch when he doesn't simply slip it Fury can't keep the fight on the outside at all, and Usyk gets into his range over and over, pushing Fury to the ropes
Usyk lands the most impactful shots in every single round from 1-4
The scoring criteria are:
Clean punches landed (with an emphasis on damaging shots)
Defence
Ring generalship
Effective aggression
Usyk outlands Fury in every single one of the first 4 rounds, and lands the bigger shots on all of them, too, bar the 4th, where big shots are even. Clean punches landed is Usyk
In all of the first 4 rounds, Fury throws more punches but lands fewer. He lands fewer high impact shots (as judged by Jabbr) in all but the 4th round, where it's even. Usyk clearly is displaying the better defence
Fury can't keep the fight at distance, as he is clearly trying to. Usyk is using his footwork and punch combinations to dictate where the fight is fought, both in terms of ring placement, and the range. This is true in every single one of the first 3 rounds and most of the 4th. That's Usyk displaying the better ring generalship
Usyk is generally keeping Fury on the backfoot, his punches are landing more often, and he visibly hurts Fury 2 or 3 times in the first 4 rounds. Fury has success with his jab in spurts, and does some damage of his own at the end of the 4th, but Usyk is clearly the more effective aggressor in each of the first 3
By literally every scoring criteria, Usyk is performing better than Fury in the first 3 rounds. I know judges and pundits have given Fury rounds here, but I think they either have a bias or are getting swept up by Fury's showmanship. These are excellent rounds from Usyk where he clearly displays who the f
king boss isI'll leave this one now and I do respect your view and how we've been able to engage on this, but no matter how hard I squint, I cannot see how it's possible to score the first 4 rounds fairly and find 3 for Fury, I think you can only find 1 (the 4th) and the 2nd round was one where Fury could have done only a little more to take it, but he didn't!
I haven't seen the Lyndon Artur fight, will check it out! Did you see Crocker Vs Walker last night? Absolute banger, British FOTY for me
biggbn said:
At least one newspaper gave Fury 3 from first 4, and at least one judge gave him one or more of the first four, that is, one of the judges always had him winning one of the first four from memory. Buncey had it two a piece. It's subjective I guess, and I'll watch it again over my holiday, or I might not, the milk has been spilt and there is likely little point. As I said earlier, a lot of the rounds I scored could, conceivably have gone the other way. Close fight. People seem to forget that even if a fight has been a shutout 120-108, it could still have had close, competitive round throughout. The fact this fight was scored a split and even now people are debating who won what round suggests it was extremely competitive and yes, close. Thanks as ever for taking the time to answer, and thanks for your polite, respectful replies. Always a pleasure. Peace and love, gbn x
tuscaneer said:
I won't bother going back over my card..but I think the story of the fight broadly was usyk had the better of it early, fury won a few back before usyk took over....a good fight... Competitive buy not close in my opinion..
Fury's latest video excuses are delusional
Ditto. Fury looked to be coming back into it around five and six then Usyk worked that out and remained in control. It was a convincing win. Never in a million years did Fury get close to earning a win or a draw if we use all recognised scoring criteria.Fury's latest video excuses are delusional
Pugaris said:
I don't think he is walking away with millions. He was complaining Oscar hadn't paid him yet, he paid Haney $1.5m for missing weight, lost his guaranteed purse and we don't know if the PPV did well so he might not have any upside from that and it sounds like Oscar hasn't given it to him yet anyway, and Haney is still suing him for more.
1 year ban is a joke, though. Backdated as well, means he'll miss 1, maybe 2 fights.
True but what was Canelo's 6 month ban for 2 fails for Clebutorol just before 2nd GGG fight...1 year ban is a joke, though. Backdated as well, means he'll miss 1, maybe 2 fights.
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