The **BOXING** thread (Vol 4)
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I need to watch it again. My memory says I was frustrated by Leonard but felt Hagler deserved the nod or a draw but not a loss.
I'm a huge admirer of Marvin though so may well have been biased. i rate Leonard too - who couldn't - but not in the same way.
So I did watch it again. I think Hagler won that by two in my view. All of the hurtful shots were landed by Marvin, all of the aggression was shown by him, Ray didn't hurt Marvin once and spent most of his time going backwards and fighting in very short bursts with a lot of show but no real go. Marvin should have gone after him after the second round, much like GGG dealt with Brook. Sure, Brook is no Leonard but I think Marvin could and should have busted Leonard up once he could see the game plan and had realised he didn't have to worry about the power. Instead he clearly lost the first few rounds and enabled Leonard to create an impression he was boxing Marvin's head off.
I'm a huge admirer of Marvin though so may well have been biased. i rate Leonard too - who couldn't - but not in the same way.
So I did watch it again. I think Hagler won that by two in my view. All of the hurtful shots were landed by Marvin, all of the aggression was shown by him, Ray didn't hurt Marvin once and spent most of his time going backwards and fighting in very short bursts with a lot of show but no real go. Marvin should have gone after him after the second round, much like GGG dealt with Brook. Sure, Brook is no Leonard but I think Marvin could and should have busted Leonard up once he could see the game plan and had realised he didn't have to worry about the power. Instead he clearly lost the first few rounds and enabled Leonard to create an impression he was boxing Marvin's head off.
Edited by Unreal on Friday 21st June 06:18
Unreal said:
I need to watch it again. My memory says I was frustrated by Leonard but felt Hagler deserved the nod or a draw but not a loss.
I'm a huge admirer of Marvin though so may well have been biased. i rate Leonard too - who couldn't - but not in the same way.
So I did watch it again. I think Hagler won that by two in my view. All of the hurtful shots were landed by Marvin, all of the aggression was shown by him, Ray didn't hurt Marvin once and spent most of his time going backwards and fighting in very short bursts with a lot of show but no real go. Marvin should have gone after him after the second round, much like GGG dealt with Brook. Sure, Brook is no Leonard but I think Marvin could and should have busted Leonard up once he could see the game plan and had realised he didn't have to worry about the power. Instead he clearly lost the first few rounds and enabled Leonard to create an impression he was boxing Marvin's head off.
These are my feelings exactly. Smoke and mirrors by the admittedly brilliant SRLI'm a huge admirer of Marvin though so may well have been biased. i rate Leonard too - who couldn't - but not in the same way.
So I did watch it again. I think Hagler won that by two in my view. All of the hurtful shots were landed by Marvin, all of the aggression was shown by him, Ray didn't hurt Marvin once and spent most of his time going backwards and fighting in very short bursts with a lot of show but no real go. Marvin should have gone after him after the second round, much like GGG dealt with Brook. Sure, Brook is no Leonard but I think Marvin could and should have busted Leonard up once he could see the game plan and had realised he didn't have to worry about the power. Instead he clearly lost the first few rounds and enabled Leonard to create an impression he was boxing Marvin's head off.
Edited by Unreal on Friday 21st June 06:18
biggbn said:
Unreal said:
I need to watch it again. My memory says I was frustrated by Leonard but felt Hagler deserved the nod or a draw but not a loss.
I'm a huge admirer of Marvin though so may well have been biased. i rate Leonard too - who couldn't - but not in the same way.
So I did watch it again. I think Hagler won that by two in my view. All of the hurtful shots were landed by Marvin, all of the aggression was shown by him, Ray didn't hurt Marvin once and spent most of his time going backwards and fighting in very short bursts with a lot of show but no real go. Marvin should have gone after him after the second round, much like GGG dealt with Brook. Sure, Brook is no Leonard but I think Marvin could and should have busted Leonard up once he could see the game plan and had realised he didn't have to worry about the power. Instead he clearly lost the first few rounds and enabled Leonard to create an impression he was boxing Marvin's head off.
These are my feelings exactly. Smoke and mirrors by the admittedly brilliant SRLI'm a huge admirer of Marvin though so may well have been biased. i rate Leonard too - who couldn't - but not in the same way.
So I did watch it again. I think Hagler won that by two in my view. All of the hurtful shots were landed by Marvin, all of the aggression was shown by him, Ray didn't hurt Marvin once and spent most of his time going backwards and fighting in very short bursts with a lot of show but no real go. Marvin should have gone after him after the second round, much like GGG dealt with Brook. Sure, Brook is no Leonard but I think Marvin could and should have busted Leonard up once he could see the game plan and had realised he didn't have to worry about the power. Instead he clearly lost the first few rounds and enabled Leonard to create an impression he was boxing Marvin's head off.
Edited by Unreal on Friday 21st June 06:18
This is how to deal with a flash welterweight.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RLuDKX_5JzE
Garcia banned for a year, has to enroll in a testing scheme and pay back his guaranteed purse.
He’s walking away with millions, this seems like he’s got a bit of a light escape to me.
With his retirement he won’t do the testing so I’d hope that’ he needs to pick this up a year before any return
He’s walking away with millions, this seems like he’s got a bit of a light escape to me.
With his retirement he won’t do the testing so I’d hope that’ he needs to pick this up a year before any return
andburg said:
Garcia banned for a year, has to enroll in a testing scheme and pay back his guaranteed purse.
He’s walking away with millions, this seems like he’s got a bit of a light escape to me.
With his retirement he won’t do the testing so I’d hope that’ he needs to pick this up a year before any return
I have no idea where his head is at. A talented fighter, but he hasn't really tested himself other than Tank and Haney. I think he'll come back and hopefully have rematches against the those two.He’s walking away with millions, this seems like he’s got a bit of a light escape to me.
With his retirement he won’t do the testing so I’d hope that’ he needs to pick this up a year before any return
biggbn said:
Unreal said:
I need to watch it again. My memory says I was frustrated by Leonard but felt Hagler deserved the nod or a draw but not a loss.
I'm a huge admirer of Marvin though so may well have been biased. i rate Leonard too - who couldn't - but not in the same way.
So I did watch it again. I think Hagler won that by two in my view. All of the hurtful shots were landed by Marvin, all of the aggression was shown by him, Ray didn't hurt Marvin once and spent most of his time going backwards and fighting in very short bursts with a lot of show but no real go. Marvin should have gone after him after the second round, much like GGG dealt with Brook. Sure, Brook is no Leonard but I think Marvin could and should have busted Leonard up once he could see the game plan and had realised he didn't have to worry about the power. Instead he clearly lost the first few rounds and enabled Leonard to create an impression he was boxing Marvin's head off.
These are my feelings exactly. Smoke and mirrors by the admittedly brilliant SRLI'm a huge admirer of Marvin though so may well have been biased. i rate Leonard too - who couldn't - but not in the same way.
So I did watch it again. I think Hagler won that by two in my view. All of the hurtful shots were landed by Marvin, all of the aggression was shown by him, Ray didn't hurt Marvin once and spent most of his time going backwards and fighting in very short bursts with a lot of show but no real go. Marvin should have gone after him after the second round, much like GGG dealt with Brook. Sure, Brook is no Leonard but I think Marvin could and should have busted Leonard up once he could see the game plan and had realised he didn't have to worry about the power. Instead he clearly lost the first few rounds and enabled Leonard to create an impression he was boxing Marvin's head off.
Edited by Unreal on Friday 21st June 06:18
andburg said:
Garcia banned for a year, has to enroll in a testing scheme and pay back his guaranteed purse.
He’s walking away with millions, this seems like he’s got a bit of a light escape to me.
With his retirement he won’t do the testing so I’d hope that’ he needs to pick this up a year before any return
I don't think he is walking away with millions. He was complaining Oscar hadn't paid him yet, he paid Haney $1.5m for missing weight, lost his guaranteed purse and we don't know if the PPV did well so he might not have any upside from that and it sounds like Oscar hasn't given it to him yet anyway, and Haney is still suing him for more. He’s walking away with millions, this seems like he’s got a bit of a light escape to me.
With his retirement he won’t do the testing so I’d hope that’ he needs to pick this up a year before any return
1 year ban is a joke, though. Backdated as well, means he'll miss 1, maybe 2 fights.
Hi there Folks.
Ive just watched a Documentary on Larry Holmes My all time hero.
I was brought up on great heavyweights when Ali was in his prime.
I actually remember watching him fighting Our Henry, Brian London ,Karl Mildenburger all in black and white.
A great Boxer and fighter but Holmes in my opinion was his equal in every way .
How do you rate him
Ive just watched a Documentary on Larry Holmes My all time hero.
I was brought up on great heavyweights when Ali was in his prime.
I actually remember watching him fighting Our Henry, Brian London ,Karl Mildenburger all in black and white.
A great Boxer and fighter but Holmes in my opinion was his equal in every way .
How do you rate him
Pugaris said:
I don't think he is walking away with millions. He was complaining Oscar hadn't paid him yet, he paid Haney $1.5m for missing weight, lost his guaranteed purse and we don't know if the PPV did well so he might not have any upside from that and it sounds like Oscar hasn't given it to him yet anyway, and Haney is still suing him for more.
1 year ban is a joke, though. Backdated as well, means he'll miss 1, maybe 2 fights.
Depends who pays out if there is a share of PPV money. Does that go to pro,other first who then puts it to fighters or that’s a deal between tv and fighter? 1 year ban is a joke, though. Backdated as well, means he'll miss 1, maybe 2 fights.
albundy89 said:
Hi there Folks.
Ive just watched a Documentary on Larry Holmes My all time hero.
I was brought up on great heavyweights when Ali was in his prime.
I actually remember watching him fighting Our Henry, Brian London ,Karl Mildenburger all in black and white.
A great Boxer and fighter but Holmes in my opinion was his equal in every way .
How do you rate him
Is that the one on Disney+? It's awesome. Holmes is an all time great. Very much underrated alongside Sonny Liston, had the meanest jab of any boxer. People blame him for defeating, Ali. Ali was too proud and arrogant to realise he was diminished in skill and speed to retire. Long live The Easton Assassin.Ive just watched a Documentary on Larry Holmes My all time hero.
I was brought up on great heavyweights when Ali was in his prime.
I actually remember watching him fighting Our Henry, Brian London ,Karl Mildenburger all in black and white.
A great Boxer and fighter but Holmes in my opinion was his equal in every way .
How do you rate him
Fury spouting total garbage again, I do believe he didn't take it seriously enough in the ring and displayed poor discipline, but still, he's full of s
t.
https://www.instagram.com/reel/C8dBy1lttgd/?igsh=e...
t. https://www.instagram.com/reel/C8dBy1lttgd/?igsh=e...
Apart from cheating his way to two training camps and preparing like his life depended on it he never took it seriously at all 
If the second fight does come off he's going to be on the end of a much more decisive loss I feel. Maybe he will then get back in his box and boxing still be much better off without this massive fraud.
If the second fight does come off he's going to be on the end of a much more decisive loss I feel. Maybe he will then get back in his box and boxing still be much better off without this massive fraud.
How can Fury simultaneously be a massive fraud yet Usyk an ATG for beating him? If Fury is that bad, Usyk's record at heavyweight is one of the worst of any of the champs, isn't it? You can't have it both ways! I think Usyk beating Fury cements his place as the best of his generation, but I rate Fury; Usyk beats AJ 99/100 for me, the big lad was made for him!!
Yazza54 said:
Fury spouting total garbage again, I do believe he didn't take it seriously enough in the ring and displayed poor discipline, but still, he's full of st.
https://www.instagram.com/reel/C8dBy1lttgd/?igsh=e...
His lack of class is astonishing. I often wonder has he any choice in which personality he chooses each day.t. https://www.instagram.com/reel/C8dBy1lttgd/?igsh=e...
epom said:
Yazza54 said:
Fury spouting total garbage again, I do believe he didn't take it seriously enough in the ring and displayed poor discipline, but still, he's full of st.
https://www.instagram.com/reel/C8dBy1lttgd/?igsh=e...
His lack of class is astonishing. I often wonder has he any choice in which personality he chooses each day.t. https://www.instagram.com/reel/C8dBy1lttgd/?igsh=e...
I think this is all part of Fury having to convince himself he should have won so that next time he can win.
Otherwise he just goes into a negative spiral and would never be up for the rematch. He if he says it enough times he convinces himself it is true.
Self brainwashing.
I still think he gets well beaten next time. Unless Usyk goes awol?
Bright Halo said:
epom said:
Yazza54 said:
Fury spouting total garbage again, I do believe he didn't take it seriously enough in the ring and displayed poor discipline, but still, he's full of st.
https://www.instagram.com/reel/C8dBy1lttgd/?igsh=e...
His lack of class is astonishing. I often wonder has he any choice in which personality he chooses each day.t. https://www.instagram.com/reel/C8dBy1lttgd/?igsh=e...
I think this is all part of Fury having to convince himself he should have won so that next time he can win.
Otherwise he just goes into a negative spiral and would never be up for the rematch. He if he says it enough times he convinces himself it is true.
Self brainwashing.
I still think he gets well beaten next time. Unless Usyk goes awol?
biggbn said:
How can Fury simultaneously be a massive fraud yet Usyk an ATG for beating him? If Fury is that bad, Usyk's record at heavyweight is one of the worst of any of the champs, isn't it? You can't have it both ways! I think Usyk beating Fury cements his place as the best of his generation, but I rate Fury; Usyk beats AJ 99/100 for me, the big lad was made for him!!
What were Fury's previous four fights? Fury has come unstuck as soon as he has stepped in with any truly elite opposition. I would really put him at the level of Dubois/Joyce/Zhang although would he beat any of those guys? I'm not so sure! fridaypassion said:
biggbn said:
How can Fury simultaneously be a massive fraud yet Usyk an ATG for beating him? If Fury is that bad, Usyk's record at heavyweight is one of the worst of any of the champs, isn't it? You can't have it both ways! I think Usyk beating Fury cements his place as the best of his generation, but I rate Fury; Usyk beats AJ 99/100 for me, the big lad was made for him!!
What were Fury's previous four fights? Fury has come unstuck as soon as he has stepped in with any truly elite opposition. I would really put him at the level of Dubois/Joyce/Zhang although would he beat any of those guys? I'm not so sure! kin robbed of a KO, and he won 'the fight' if we are looking at it that way. For me, beating Fury makes Usyk the number one and credit where it is due. Fury would play with Dubois or Joyce, both fighters I like, and I'll still take him to beat AJ, close though that is. I can't see how some people can simultaneously bad mouth Fury and write him off and say Usyk is an ATG for beating him? How does that work? It only works of, as I say, Fury is very good and was the only other contender for the 'best of his generation' title. Fury has become something of a Schrodinger's fighter, simultaneously dreadful yet logically very good if Usyk is to deserve the plaudits he has, in my opinion, now rightfully earned. Hey man, we will never agree on this, but there is one thing that I am sure of, regardless of what I think the scores were, the best MAN won. And it wasn't a robbery in my mind, nor would it have been had it gone the other way. Both men gave their all in an enthralling contest that was close, really close.
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