The **BOXING** thread (Vol 4)
Discussion
Pugaris said:
It's only happening if the IBF is on the line. Usyk has petitioned for the IBF to allow him to keep the belt, so it's on the line for the rematch with Fury. So I guess we wait to see what they do
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I know that's what Hearn has said, but do we believe him? Could easily be a negotiating tactic at this stage. As I understand it, the Wembley event is being supported by Turki as an 'intro' to Riyadh season, and so he will want it to be a success. Would Joshua fill Wembley against say Zhang? Probably... particularly after a dirth of stadium fights recently, but Joshua vs Dubois will just be a much bigger event. And for the reasons you gave, I think Joshua would prefer to face Dubois, rather than say Zhang, who seems the other front-runner....
Big Frank feared no-one and went in with some greats. He developed an unfortunate rep for being chinny which has tainted his reputation rather unfairly. He was very big puncher but I always thought he made that mistake of being too musclebound. That definition may look great but it creates huge oxygen debt and really isn't necessary. It's something AJ has to watch.
Unreal said:
Big Frank feared no-one and went in with some greats. He developed an unfortunate rep for being chinny which has tainted his reputation rather unfairly. He was very big puncher but I always thought he made that mistake of being too musclebound. That definition may look great but it creates huge oxygen debt and really isn't necessary. It's something AJ has to watch.
I think his pride made him take some poor in fight decisions. Since Jumbo Cummings chinned him early in his career and the press labelled him chinny, it seemed he'd do anything rather than take a knee. I'm sure he was always stopped on his feet whilst receiving punishment, never knocked out...not bad for someone 'chinny'. Very good basics and huge power, sometimes dodgy stamina and a reputation for some fragility. And people say the AJ comparisons are unfair? 
Speaking of AJ, I think he's now to cute to get caught by a Dubois bomb BUT if Dubois can take his power and pressure him this fight will be a shootout. Danny can't eat straight shots like he did from Hrgovic, that's for sure. I'd have taken Dubois to flatten the old, gunshy AJ, said as much here previously, but they are both much different fighters now. If Dubois has fallen in love with his power and new found 'chin', he'll lose badly and end up on his back, but of he gets back to what are excellent if basic basics and is cute with his power who knows. I genuinely think this could be who lands first, but that's likely to be AJ. carlo996 said:
I don’t think Dubois has the defence for AJ. I cannot see it being a long night, but credit where it’s due…Dubois has certainly put himself back in the spotlight.
Agreed Carlo, AJ has the pop to KO most anyone, particulalry if his opponent's first line of defence is his chin!! biggbn said:
I think his pride made him take some poor in fight decisions. Since Jumbo Cummings chinned him early in his career and the press labelled him chinny, it seemed he'd do anything rather than take a knee. I'm sure he was always stopped on his feet whilst receiving punishment, never knocked out...not bad for someone 'chinny'. Very good basics and huge power, sometimes dodgy stamina and a reputation for some fragility. And people say the AJ comparisons are unfair? Speaking of AJ, I think he's now to cute to get caught by a Dubois bomb BUT if Dubois can take his power and pressure him this fight will be a shootout. Danny can't eat straight shots like he did from Hrgovic, that's for sure. I'd have taken Dubois to flatten the old, gunshy AJ, said as much here previously, but they are both much different fighters now. If Dubois has fallen in love with his power and new found 'chin', he'll lose badly and end up on his back, but of he gets back to what are excellent if basic basics and is cute with his power who knows. I genuinely think this could be who lands first, but that's likely to be AJ.
Agreed on the AJ v Dubois fight, I think it could be a fun war, although I see AJ outboxing him and rocking him with a counter before closing the show. I like the reborn angry AJ a lot. Speaking of AJ, I think he's now to cute to get caught by a Dubois bomb BUT if Dubois can take his power and pressure him this fight will be a shootout. Danny can't eat straight shots like he did from Hrgovic, that's for sure. I'd have taken Dubois to flatten the old, gunshy AJ, said as much here previously, but they are both much different fighters now. If Dubois has fallen in love with his power and new found 'chin', he'll lose badly and end up on his back, but of he gets back to what are excellent if basic basics and is cute with his power who knows. I genuinely think this could be who lands first, but that's likely to be AJ. Bright Halo said:
AJ will absolutely flatten Dubois.
As an aside I just rewatched Bruno Vs Lewis from 93.
What a fight that was!
History has Bruno very underrated I think.
You really see the best and worst of Bruno in that fight. Fantastic for a long time, outboxes Lewis, textbook punching form, power, speed. But gets complacent, doesn't have a fantastic defence, and once he's been buzzed he's a sitting duck. As an aside I just rewatched Bruno Vs Lewis from 93.
What a fight that was!
History has Bruno very underrated I think.
Just fought in the deepest era of HW boxing. If he was around now he'd comfortably be the 4th best imo, and have a very good shot at beating Fury and AJ.
Another one from that era that's underrated and almost never talked about is Herbie Hide. Goes to show just how good the 90s were that he is an afterthought.
biggbn said:
I think his pride made him take some poor in fight decisions. Since Jumbo Cummings chinned him early in his career and the press labelled him chinny, it seemed he'd do anything rather than take a knee. I'm sure he was always stopped on his feet whilst receiving punishment, never knocked out...not bad for someone 'chinny'. Very good basics and huge power, sometimes dodgy stamina and a reputation for some fragility. And people say the AJ comparisons are unfair?
I remember thinking this back in the day - I know he got well beaten by Tyson but at the time Tyson was laying people out with one or two punches.Olivera said:
carlo996 said:
I don’t think Dubois has the defence for AJ.
Anyone else think Dubois is going to get laid out Ngannou style? 
Dubois should maybe dodge some of these tougher fights until the incumbents retire
I haven't been the biggest fan of Dubious but he is improving. Frank has quite clearly seen something in him but I think hes fallen victim to massive mismanagement. They have just gone a bit early with him I feel. The matchmaking has been a step ahead of his ability each time. Joyce/Usyk are matches he should never have been thrown into and dont forget the thrown match against Kevin Lerena which was an absolutely scandalous fix which he did loose. I really did think George would have flattened him so credit to the lad but AJ is someone that he should never cross paths with given their relative career stages.
biggbn said:
I think it might be more like the Dillian Whyte fight with both fighter rocked at some point. I don't know how much of Dubois you've seen but I've watched him since his early days and his basics are very good, his gauge of space and footwork is much better than many give him credit for, and his jab and power are very, very good. I think this will be a much closer fight than many think, but I'm a sucker for an underdog story. Joyce was all wrong for him, knew he'd lose that one bit many forget, he was likely winning until the stoppage and he caught Joyce flush a few times. I thought the Usyk punch was legal, although concede Usyk would likely have gotten up had it been called that way, but that was the one and only time I've seen Usyk lack class after a fight, I think he was embarrassed getting caught by such a 'novice'. Kid hits properly hard to head and body
For me Dubois has a touch of Bruno about him (i loved big Frank, used to love sitting up watching him with my then girlfriend now wife, us both cheering him on) has good fundamentals and is only lacking in the inherent traits that can't really be taught. The reaction to a heavy punch and how quick the head clears and the natural reactions while it is clearing.wc98 said:
biggbn said:
I think it might be more like the Dillian Whyte fight with both fighter rocked at some point. I don't know how much of Dubois you've seen but I've watched him since his early days and his basics are very good, his gauge of space and footwork is much better than many give him credit for, and his jab and power are very, very good. I think this will be a much closer fight than many think, but I'm a sucker for an underdog story. Joyce was all wrong for him, knew he'd lose that one bit many forget, he was likely winning until the stoppage and he caught Joyce flush a few times. I thought the Usyk punch was legal, although concede Usyk would likely have gotten up had it been called that way, but that was the one and only time I've seen Usyk lack class after a fight, I think he was embarrassed getting caught by such a 'novice'. Kid hits properly hard to head and body
For me Dubois has a touch of Bruno about him (i loved big Frank, used to love sitting up watching him with my then girlfriend now wife, us both cheering him on) has good fundamentals and is only lacking in the inherent traits that can't really be taught. The reaction to a heavy punch and how quick the head clears and the natural reactions while it is clearing. I think we also need to remember, Hrgovic would have been considered a credible opponent for AJ until Dubois beat him. He hasn't just blown over an easy mark here, and Hrgovic would have jabbed and grabbed his way to victory if Dubois had let him. He didn't beat a fighter who had become poor overnight, he busted up and took the fight away from a top contender. Credit where its due. Edited by biggbn on Friday 7th June 23:07
biggbn said:
wc98 said:
biggbn said:
I think it might be more like the Dillian Whyte fight with both fighter rocked at some point. I don't know how much of Dubois you've seen but I've watched him since his early days and his basics are very good, his gauge of space and footwork is much better than many give him credit for, and his jab and power are very, very good. I think this will be a much closer fight than many think, but I'm a sucker for an underdog story. Joyce was all wrong for him, knew he'd lose that one bit many forget, he was likely winning until the stoppage and he caught Joyce flush a few times. I thought the Usyk punch was legal, although concede Usyk would likely have gotten up had it been called that way, but that was the one and only time I've seen Usyk lack class after a fight, I think he was embarrassed getting caught by such a 'novice'. Kid hits properly hard to head and body
For me Dubois has a touch of Bruno about him (i loved big Frank, used to love sitting up watching him with my then girlfriend now wife, us both cheering him on) has good fundamentals and is only lacking in the inherent traits that can't really be taught. The reaction to a heavy punch and how quick the head clears and the natural reactions while it is clearing. I think we also need to remember, Hrgovic would have been considered a credible opponent for AJ until Dubois beat him. He hasn't just blown over an easy mark here, and Hrgovic would have jabbed and grabbed his way to victory if Dubois had let him. He didn't beat a fighter who had become poor overnight, he busted up and took the fight away from a top contender. Credit where its due. Edited by biggbn on Friday 7th June 23:07
Maybe team Dubois deserve more credit?
Edited by Bright Halo on Saturday 8th June 15:27
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