The **BOXING** thread (Vol 4)
Discussion
Wheelspinning said:
Yup, and it looks like the darts are going out there also.
The place looked half empty and zero atmosphere.
Seems an eternity ago we seen a big time fight in the USA...maybe Wilder and Fury first fight?
Darts and Boxing, I don't think they could have chosen two sports that weren't more ill suited to their environment/culture if they had tried. The place looked half empty and zero atmosphere.
Seems an eternity ago we seen a big time fight in the USA...maybe Wilder and Fury first fight?
Or maybe that's the plan, to prove that they can do anything.
Dubois must be a scary thing coming at you, he doesn't care about his brain cells and can clearly punch.
fridaypassion said:
Well no huge surprises last night although I didn't expect Dubious to win. He still looks so basic to me could he be the worst heavyweight champion ever if he gets handed the IBF belt?
No. He wouldn't even be the worst of the last 10 years. Both Martin and Stiverne are significantly worse Also, not sure it was possible for there to be any "huge surprises" all the fights were not far off 50/50s! Hutchinson was the biggest underdog on the card, I think, and won.
Chicken Chaser said:
...The thing about him working more effectively when his dad is present is odd for a guy his age.
His father seems to play a dominant role in his life.Allegedly, when Daniel and his sister Caroline were both trained by Shane McGuigan, the daughter tried to push back against her dad's overbearing nature (bearing in mind she would have been over 20 years old at the time). The dad responded by threatening that unless Shane cut her loose, he would take Daniel away from Shane's gym. Shane refused to be bullied, which is why Daniel left to join Don Charles.
biggbn said:
carlo996 said:
I’m struggling to ignore my hatred of Saudi and their sports washing. Half of them sat there on their phones, s
t atmosphere, just such a scummy host.
Hatred? Yet you are watching? Way to go man, what a backbone...t atmosphere, just such a scummy host. It was a brilliant event last night, 4 great fights, only the last one not being the best contest, and even that was enjoyable.
Hat's off to H.E. and the G.E.A. Such a great concept, not sure why it's not been done before. The possiblities are mouthwatering. USA v UK, USA v Mexico, Europe v the Far East, maybe get Inoue on the card. Or UK promotors v US promotors.
TwigtheWonderkid said:
I bit like "that programme was so pornographic, I had to watch it 3 times to believe what I was seeing".
It was a brilliant event last night, 4 great fights, only the last one not being the best contest, and even that was enjoyable.
Hat's off to H.E. and the G.E.A. Such a great concept, not sure why it's not been done before. The possiblities are mouthwatering. USA v UK, USA v Mexico, Europe v the Far East, maybe get Inoue on the card. Or UK promotors v US promotors.
Not really. I don't like, or support the Saudi's, they're a disgusting bunch to be honest. The atmosphere was completely flat,with plenty of cringe from Mr Turkey. Mind you, anyone not already half asleep by the Wilder fight would have likely been out soon into the 'contest'. The GEA is just another front, as someone else said, they've hijacked boxing, darts and tried footy, but that hopefully has fallen flat now. .It was a brilliant event last night, 4 great fights, only the last one not being the best contest, and even that was enjoyable.
Hat's off to H.E. and the G.E.A. Such a great concept, not sure why it's not been done before. The possiblities are mouthwatering. USA v UK, USA v Mexico, Europe v the Far East, maybe get Inoue on the card. Or UK promotors v US promotors.
carlo996 said:
TwigtheWonderkid said:
I bit like "that programme was so pornographic, I had to watch it 3 times to believe what I was seeing".
It was a brilliant event last night, 4 great fights, only the last one not being the best contest, and even that was enjoyable.
Hat's off to H.E. and the G.E.A. Such a great concept, not sure why it's not been done before. The possiblities are mouthwatering. USA v UK, USA v Mexico, Europe v the Far East, maybe get Inoue on the card. Or UK promotors v US promotors.
Not really. I don't like, or support the Saudi's, they're a disgusting bunch to be honest. The atmosphere was completely flat,with plenty of cringe from Mr Turkey. Mind you, anyone not already half asleep by the Wilder fight would have likely been out soon into the 'contest'. The GEA is just another front, as someone else said, they've hijacked boxing, darts and tried footy, but that hopefully has fallen flat now. .It was a brilliant event last night, 4 great fights, only the last one not being the best contest, and even that was enjoyable.
Hat's off to H.E. and the G.E.A. Such a great concept, not sure why it's not been done before. The possiblities are mouthwatering. USA v UK, USA v Mexico, Europe v the Far East, maybe get Inoue on the card. Or UK promotors v US promotors.
The involvement with Saudi is a bit greasy really but then the involvement with the USA is all mob controlled. Over here you had the Kinahans involved probably still have something to do with Frank who was knee-deep in all that stuff (remember he got shot!) so just different types of undesirables controlling our beloved sport. At some level the organised crime element is infused into boxing. I would imagine the Saudis are so minted with the money that oozes out of the ground they dont really need any involvement with OCG types other than giving them a place to live of course.
It's like the porta potty girls though once they have all earned their money they come home surely the fighters will have a desire themselves to go back to the garden and make some really memorable nights. The Usyk Fury match was the biggest fight of this generation but in a lot of ways it's passed by without much permeation into the mainstream because the Saudis dont really have to promote it. The only other equivalent I can remember is when Mike Tysons fights were televised in pubs back in the 90s and the pubs got extended licences or maybe a big Naz fight. If this fight had been at Wembley it would have been a pretty huge national event I think.
Fury AJ at Wembley is probably the last big fight out there but at the moment if it happens it looks like a flat sports hall affair in the bowl.
It's like the porta potty girls though once they have all earned their money they come home surely the fighters will have a desire themselves to go back to the garden and make some really memorable nights. The Usyk Fury match was the biggest fight of this generation but in a lot of ways it's passed by without much permeation into the mainstream because the Saudis dont really have to promote it. The only other equivalent I can remember is when Mike Tysons fights were televised in pubs back in the 90s and the pubs got extended licences or maybe a big Naz fight. If this fight had been at Wembley it would have been a pretty huge national event I think.
Fury AJ at Wembley is probably the last big fight out there but at the moment if it happens it looks like a flat sports hall affair in the bowl.
biggbn said:
If you hate them and they disgust you, don't watch. Seems like an easy decision and the right thing to do, no? Sure, the atmosphere isn't the same as an outdoor football stadium or the like, but would you rather these fights simply didn't happen? Genuine question.
I like boxing. So put up with it. Doesn't mean I like how the sport is hosted.Whilst the atmosphere was poor, what was worse was the number of Saudi 'dignitaries' more interested in looking at their phones than watching the fights. They put together a fantastic card, where pretty much any of the fights could have been a main event, and they do that. Oh well.
One upside of the lack of sound was that you could hear those ringside shouting instructions to 'their man'. That reminded me very much of the fights scheduled during 'covid'.
I personally don't see much of a future in this format of Queensbury vs Matchroom, UK vs US etc events. The reason they never happened before is because, in normal business terms, they make no sense.
For this to work, each fight has to be pretty much 50/50 (or 60/40 at worst), whereas for most regular undercard fights (and even some main events) it's pretty easy to pick the likely winner. And as so many fans put too much emphasis on a fighter being undefeated, fighters only want to take a real risk of losing if they get properly paid, which isn't possible, even on big PPV undercards, as the lion's share of the pot goes to the main event. What makes the difference here is that Saudi are just not interested in the likely PPV revenue, or the gate revenues etc, or making a profit; they are happy to pay life-changing money, even to the guys who open the card, which in normal boxing terms would be financial suicide.
But regardless of all that, I thought it was a great card, and very good entertainment. I just wish Dubois would learn some head movement rather than trying to become Joe Joyce mk2.
One upside of the lack of sound was that you could hear those ringside shouting instructions to 'their man'. That reminded me very much of the fights scheduled during 'covid'.
I personally don't see much of a future in this format of Queensbury vs Matchroom, UK vs US etc events. The reason they never happened before is because, in normal business terms, they make no sense.
For this to work, each fight has to be pretty much 50/50 (or 60/40 at worst), whereas for most regular undercard fights (and even some main events) it's pretty easy to pick the likely winner. And as so many fans put too much emphasis on a fighter being undefeated, fighters only want to take a real risk of losing if they get properly paid, which isn't possible, even on big PPV undercards, as the lion's share of the pot goes to the main event. What makes the difference here is that Saudi are just not interested in the likely PPV revenue, or the gate revenues etc, or making a profit; they are happy to pay life-changing money, even to the guys who open the card, which in normal boxing terms would be financial suicide.
But regardless of all that, I thought it was a great card, and very good entertainment. I just wish Dubois would learn some head movement rather than trying to become Joe Joyce mk2.
fridaypassion said:
Eddie Hearn by the way most be absolutely fuming losing 10-0 this is ego at the very highest level here!
I doubt it. He's a businessman before everything else and event was excellent business. On the @michaelbensonn Twitter feed there's a video of him sat on the plane saying how gutted he was and how he just wants to get home, when Frank Warren wanders up to poiint out he's on the same flight and they've got the next 10 hours together. It's clearly a joke video, pre scripted and Hearn has deliberately allowed himself to be the butt of the joke. Because......it's good for business.All the pre event rivalry and trash talk is all for show. They two camps have got together and done a deal that, win or lose, benefits both camps.
carlo996 said:
Not really. I don't like, or support the Saudi's, they're a disgusting bunch to be honest. The atmosphere was completely flat,with plenty of cringe from Mr Turkey. Mind you, anyone not already half asleep by the Wilder fight would have likely been out soon into the 'contest'. The GEA is just another front, as someone else said, they've hijacked boxing, darts and tried footy, but that hopefully has fallen flat now. .
That may be true, but remember, even though you may not like them, the moderates have been in charge since 2018 and massive positive changes have taken place in Saudi society since then. Women can drive, and most women under 50 do. Girls sport has been opened up, and millions of Saudi girls now play football, in shorts! The religious police have been disbanded. They now only have one police force, along western lines. It's not perfect but it's much better than it was. The conservatives in Saudi would love all this sports stuff to fail. That would strengthen their hand in regaining control of society.
TwigtheWonderkid said:
I doubt it. He's a businessman before everything else and event was excellent business. On the @michaelbensonn Twitter feed there's a video of him sat on the plane saying how gutted he was and how he just wants to get home, when Frank Warren wanders up to poiint out he's on the same flight and they've got the next 10 hours together. It's clearly a joke video, pre scripted and Hearn has deliberately allowed himself to be the butt of the joke. Because......it's good for business.
All the pre event rivalry and trash talk is all for show. They two camps have got together and done a deal that, win or lose, benefits both camps.
Would also add that I'm sure he was rooting for Dubois. If Wilder lost, then that would have left AJ with a choice of Zhang or Hrgovic for Wembley in September. Dubois is a much better option, will sell significantly better.All the pre event rivalry and trash talk is all for show. They two camps have got together and done a deal that, win or lose, benefits both camps.
TwigtheWonderkid said:
I doubt it. He's a businessman before everything else and event was excellent business. On the @michaelbensonn Twitter feed there's a video of him sat on the plane saying how gutted he was and how he just wants to get home, when Frank Warren wanders up to poiint out he's on the same flight and they've got the next 10 hours together. It's clearly a joke video, pre scripted and Hearn has deliberately allowed himself to be the butt of the joke. Because......it's good for business.
All the pre event rivalry and trash talk is all for show. They two camps have got together and done a deal that, win or lose, benefits both camps.
I'm not so sure about that at all. 10 nil!? If I went head to head with a competitor in my business I would and have put every ounce of effort into beating the feckers by any means possible this will be no different. Also if you are a young prospect looking at signing with Frank or Eddie if you were wavering on Friday you are going to be going Queensbury now! I think it's a massive hit on Matchrooms credibility although he must have known Wilder had zero chance of winning. All the pre event rivalry and trash talk is all for show. They two camps have got together and done a deal that, win or lose, benefits both camps.
fridaypassion said:
I'm not so sure about that at all. 10 nil!? If I went head to head with a competitor in my business I would and have put every ounce of effort into beating the feckers by any means possible this will be no different. Also if you are a young prospect looking at signing with Frank or Eddie if you were wavering on Friday you are going to be going Queensbury now! I think it's a massive hit on Matchrooms credibility although he must have known Wilder had zero chance of winning.
Alternatively, you might see the interview of Frank saying he's pocketing the £3m and not giving it to the fighters and steer clear 
fridaypassion said:
TwigtheWonderkid said:
I doubt it. He's a businessman before everything else and event was excellent business. On the @michaelbensonn Twitter feed there's a video of him sat on the plane saying how gutted he was and how he just wants to get home, when Frank Warren wanders up to poiint out he's on the same flight and they've got the next 10 hours together. It's clearly a joke video, pre scripted and Hearn has deliberately allowed himself to be the butt of the joke. Because......it's good for business.
All the pre event rivalry and trash talk is all for show. They two camps have got together and done a deal that, win or lose, benefits both camps.
I'm not so sure about that at all. 10 nil!? If I went head to head with a competitor in my business I would and have put every ounce of effort into beating the feckers by any means possible this will be no different. Also if you are a young prospect looking at signing with Frank or Eddie if you were wavering on Friday you are going to be going Queensbury now! I think it's a massive hit on Matchrooms credibility although he must have known Wilder had zero chance of winning. All the pre event rivalry and trash talk is all for show. They two camps have got together and done a deal that, win or lose, benefits both camps.
carlo996 said:
TwigtheWonderkid said:
I bit like "that programme was so pornographic, I had to watch it 3 times to believe what I was seeing".
It was a brilliant event last night, 4 great fights, only the last one not being the best contest, and even that was enjoyable.
Hat's off to H.E. and the G.E.A. Such a great concept, not sure why it's not been done before. The possiblities are mouthwatering. USA v UK, USA v Mexico, Europe v the Far East, maybe get Inoue on the card. Or UK promotors v US promotors.
Not really. I don't like, or support the Saudi's, they're a disgusting bunch to be honest. The atmosphere was completely flat,with plenty of cringe from Mr Turkey. Mind you, anyone not already half asleep by the Wilder fight would have likely been out soon into the 'contest'. The GEA is just another front, as someone else said, they've hijacked boxing, darts and tried footy, but that hopefully has fallen flat now. .It was a brilliant event last night, 4 great fights, only the last one not being the best contest, and even that was enjoyable.
Hat's off to H.E. and the G.E.A. Such a great concept, not sure why it's not been done before. The possiblities are mouthwatering. USA v UK, USA v Mexico, Europe v the Far East, maybe get Inoue on the card. Or UK promotors v US promotors.
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