Discussion
shiftydave said:
When it comes to the issues with other people, maybe try to revel in just how awful they can be. I have a couple of friends who consistently say they shot half decent scores when I've seen them very openly take the piss - kicking the ball, claiming practice swings when they miss the ball, picking up the ball and dropping it on a better lie, simply not counting correctly, claiming free relief when they shouldn't, treating gimmes as a free shot, giving themselves several mulligans, suspiciously "finding" their ball that flew 30 feet into the trees or OB. The list goes on. It's kind of a game now to see how often you finish a hole and are greeted with a confident "solid par, mate". I even had one of them the other day very proudly state they shot 95 after I was over the moon about breaking 100 for the first time. Stories of awful playing partners should be shared more often on here! It's good to talk 
Okey dokey, been playing with the same group of 20 at my local club for a few years, they're mostly terrible but they play at a convenient time of day at the weekend. We kicked someone out for cheating last year so I've been more strict picking up their infractions since.Guy in the group ahead, 15 handicap so knows better, decided to take a drop from an unplayable along the lines of "near where it went into the bush". He was about 30 yards off the correct spot, so I called him out on it. He replied he wasn't doing a card and there was no comp (Saturday so showery).
Low and behold after the round he decided he was actually doing a card and was in the comp, I'd left so I raised it on our Whatsapp group, politely.
Cue huffing puffing deflection from him. Disappointingly the group leader didn't back me up, said we should argue privately - nonsense.
Protecting the field is critical, cheating should not be a private matter. Next weekend might be fun.
Peterpetrole said:
Low and behold after the round he decided he was actually doing a card
I've been thinking about this recently and I am not sure I entirely understand why you can't decide half way through a round that you want to put a card in if it is a good round.(I can understand not wanting to allow people to submit poor scores after the event to artificially increase their handicap, but this is not that)
I played Sunday morning, and had a great round. After 3 holes, I was already thinking I should have put a card in here - I even said it to my playing partners.
I played to the rules (always do), I scored it properly, and I had someone with me who could have attested the score, but as I hadn't declared that I was going to put in a card before the first shot, I then didn't.
My last 3 rounds have been played in friendly spirits with nobody else submitting cards (which is why I didn't), and all 3 of my rounds would have resulted in a handicap cut, but as I hadn't declared my intention on submitting a card, I then didn't.
Now I followed the rules exactly as I understand them to be, but in this case it does kinda feel like it isn't working.
fat80b said:
I've been thinking about this recently and I am not sure I entirely understand why you can't decide half way through a round that you want to put a card in if it is a good round.
(I can understand not wanting to allow people to submit poor scores after the event to artificially increase their handicap, but this is not that)
I played Sunday morning, and had a great round. After 3 holes, I was already thinking I should have put a card in here - I even said it to my playing partners.
I played to the rules (always do), I scored it properly, and I had someone with me who could have attested the score, but as I hadn't declared that I was going to put in a card before the first shot, I then didn't.
My last 3 rounds have been played in friendly spirits with nobody else submitting cards (which is why I didn't), and all 3 of my rounds would have resulted in a handicap cut, but as I hadn't declared my intention on submitting a card, I then didn't.
Now I followed the rules exactly as I understand them to be, but in this case it does kinda feel like it isn't working.
You could put a 9 hole card in can't you? Maybe warm up on the front 9 and then create a 9 hole card. I tend to find that if I'm putting in a card then I never play as freely as when I'm not and usually play worse. I also play badly in comps so I guess that just shows that I crumble under pressure like chalk (I can understand not wanting to allow people to submit poor scores after the event to artificially increase their handicap, but this is not that)
I played Sunday morning, and had a great round. After 3 holes, I was already thinking I should have put a card in here - I even said it to my playing partners.
I played to the rules (always do), I scored it properly, and I had someone with me who could have attested the score, but as I hadn't declared that I was going to put in a card before the first shot, I then didn't.
My last 3 rounds have been played in friendly spirits with nobody else submitting cards (which is why I didn't), and all 3 of my rounds would have resulted in a handicap cut, but as I hadn't declared my intention on submitting a card, I then didn't.
Now I followed the rules exactly as I understand them to be, but in this case it does kinda feel like it isn't working.
RayDonovan said:
Putting a card in is good practise for 'proper' comps.
I generally don't bother with entering general play cards, but I know plenty who do.
I mostly do - I've put 12 cards in since the start of April (out of about 20 full rounds total of which maybe 3 are comps off the whites) - I used to find the "pressure" of a card a struggle, but now I actually find the opposite as it forces me to take more care, so am more than happy to put a card in.I generally don't bother with entering general play cards, but I know plenty who do.
s94wht said:
fat80b said:
(I can understand not wanting to allow people to submit poor scores after the event to artificially increase their handicap, but this is not that)
But that's exactly why you can't do it. The system can't make the distinction. Maybe I'm not following you...In one case, you are a bandit, in the other, you have a lower handicap that is harder to play to. i.e. not the same result.
fat80b said:
RayDonovan said:
Putting a card in is good practise for 'proper' comps.
I generally don't bother with entering general play cards, but I know plenty who do.
I mostly do - I've put 12 cards in since the start of April (out of about 20 full rounds total of which maybe 3 are comps off the whites) - I used to find the "pressure" of a card a struggle, but now I actually find the opposite as it forces me to take more care, so am more than happy to put a card in.I generally don't bother with entering general play cards, but I know plenty who do.
Tycho said:
fat80b said:
I've been thinking about this recently and I am not sure I entirely understand why you can't decide half way through a round that you want to put a card in if it is a good round.
(I can understand not wanting to allow people to submit poor scores after the event to artificially increase their handicap, but this is not that)
I played Sunday morning, and had a great round. After 3 holes, I was already thinking I should have put a card in here - I even said it to my playing partners.
I played to the rules (always do), I scored it properly, and I had someone with me who could have attested the score, but as I hadn't declared that I was going to put in a card before the first shot, I then didn't.
My last 3 rounds have been played in friendly spirits with nobody else submitting cards (which is why I didn't), and all 3 of my rounds would have resulted in a handicap cut, but as I hadn't declared my intention on submitting a card, I then didn't.
Now I followed the rules exactly as I understand them to be, but in this case it does kinda feel like it isn't working.
You could put a 9 hole card in can't you? Maybe warm up on the front 9 and then create a 9 hole card. I tend to find that if I'm putting in a card then I never play as freely as when I'm not and usually play worse. I also play badly in comps so I guess that just shows that I crumble under pressure like chalk (I can understand not wanting to allow people to submit poor scores after the event to artificially increase their handicap, but this is not that)
I played Sunday morning, and had a great round. After 3 holes, I was already thinking I should have put a card in here - I even said it to my playing partners.
I played to the rules (always do), I scored it properly, and I had someone with me who could have attested the score, but as I hadn't declared that I was going to put in a card before the first shot, I then didn't.
My last 3 rounds have been played in friendly spirits with nobody else submitting cards (which is why I didn't), and all 3 of my rounds would have resulted in a handicap cut, but as I hadn't declared my intention on submitting a card, I then didn't.
Now I followed the rules exactly as I understand them to be, but in this case it does kinda feel like it isn't working.
It's the cheating drop that ground my gears.
Peterpetrole said:
Not too worried about how people submit cards for handicaps - as above it's very different submitting a 9 hole card from your home course in soft conditions compared to entering an open comp at a baked Western Gailes in July anyway.
It's the cheating drop that ground my gears.
Totally agree about the cheating bit. If I'm playing a round even with friends then the only time I'll bend the rules is if I'm going to damage a club or myself. I'm not paid enough to play off a tree root so I'll move the ball but even if I do that once then I'm not going to boast about my round or even take the mickey out of friends if I played better than them as I'll know my round wasn't a proper one. By all means take drops or mulligans but that is just a practice round to me.It's the cheating drop that ground my gears.
RayDonovan said:
fat80b said:
RayDonovan said:
Putting a card in is good practise for 'proper' comps.
I generally don't bother with entering general play cards, but I know plenty who do.
I mostly do - I've put 12 cards in since the start of April (out of about 20 full rounds total of which maybe 3 are comps off the whites) - I used to find the "pressure" of a card a struggle, but now I actually find the opposite as it forces me to take more care, so am more than happy to put a card in.I generally don't bother with entering general play cards, but I know plenty who do.
Maybe people who do struggle would be better off putting in general play cards to get used to the pressure.
fat80b said:
I think I'm saying that there is a difference between someone submitting bad scores to increase their hcap vs someone submitting a good score in order to reduce their hcap.
In one case, you are a bandit, in the other, you have a lower handicap that is harder to play to. i.e. not the same result.
If you are towards scratch it definitely makes a difference because it gets you into comps you otherwise wouldn’t In one case, you are a bandit, in the other, you have a lower handicap that is harder to play to. i.e. not the same result.
I’m around 4 currently and put in everything and can’t tell you how many guys I’ve played at alleged scratch or plus who were absolutely nothing like it. A couple off plus two literally didn’t break 90
On another note just played Thorpe wood Peterborough public course.. absolutely fantastic condition. Best greens I’ve ever seen on a public
Surely the whole card being put in issue more comes down to declaring he’s not putting it in at the start, giving himself a beneficial drop, 30 yards away from where it should have been, therefore playing from an incorrect place & the submitting a card? IMO the card shouldn’t be ‘submittable’ unless he took a penalty for playing from an incorrect place / possible illegal drop?
Played at the weekend. 31 points. Awful weather. Played ok on the front except two mistakes off the tee. Then the heavens opened for about an hour & really struggled. Wet grips / no waterproofs or brolly really took its toll. Last two rounds have been mentally tiring while ‘trying’ to focus on every shot & trying to shoot a good score (currently trying to break 80 every time).
Starting to appreciate how good pros are mentally. Being at the thick end of any tournament on a Sunday must be mentally exhausting!
Played at the weekend. 31 points. Awful weather. Played ok on the front except two mistakes off the tee. Then the heavens opened for about an hour & really struggled. Wet grips / no waterproofs or brolly really took its toll. Last two rounds have been mentally tiring while ‘trying’ to focus on every shot & trying to shoot a good score (currently trying to break 80 every time).
Starting to appreciate how good pros are mentally. Being at the thick end of any tournament on a Sunday must be mentally exhausting!
milesgiles said:
fat80b said:
I think I'm saying that there is a difference between someone submitting bad scores to increase their hcap vs someone submitting a good score in order to reduce their hcap.
In one case, you are a bandit, in the other, you have a lower handicap that is harder to play to. i.e. not the same result.
If you are towards scratch it definitely makes a difference because it gets you into comps you otherwise wouldn’t In one case, you are a bandit, in the other, you have a lower handicap that is harder to play to. i.e. not the same result.
I’m around 4 currently and put in everything and can’t tell you how many guys I’ve played at alleged scratch or plus who were absolutely nothing like it. A couple off plus two literally didn’t break 90
On another note just played Thorpe wood Peterborough public course.. absolutely fantastic condition. Best greens I’ve ever seen on a public
There is a chap at our place who is notorious for General Play cards who's official handicap is 2, yet whenever he actually plays in a comp, he struggles to break 80. Some suggestions it's so he can play for the University Golf Team he's at, however I couldn't possibly comment.
I've played with him a couple of times and he's a nice enough guy, not a 2 handicapper in my book.
Then there's the other guy who got called out for cheating in a league game by his own team mate, when a lost ball miraculously appeared 30 yards down the fairway from where it was seen heading into a bush. Funnily enough he hasn't played for the team again.
Don't get it myself - it's a game at the end of the day, if you lose life goes on and you tee it up again next week.
I've played with him a couple of times and he's a nice enough guy, not a 2 handicapper in my book.
Then there's the other guy who got called out for cheating in a league game by his own team mate, when a lost ball miraculously appeared 30 yards down the fairway from where it was seen heading into a bush. Funnily enough he hasn't played for the team again.
Don't get it myself - it's a game at the end of the day, if you lose life goes on and you tee it up again next week.
Splurged on a new Motocaddy M7 remote, I've always used remote trolleys so am pretty confident controlling it.
Based on the reviews I was hoping to get an MGI navigator but only American Golf stock it and they couldn't tell me when more were coming in which seems like poor planning by them.
Have to say pretty impressed by the Motocaddy, very smooth and absorbs the bumps much better than my previous trolleys.
I've just designed and am 3D printing a couple of adaptor parts to make my nice stand bag sit more securely on it as I don't like swapping around to specific cart bags.
Based on the reviews I was hoping to get an MGI navigator but only American Golf stock it and they couldn't tell me when more were coming in which seems like poor planning by them.
Have to say pretty impressed by the Motocaddy, very smooth and absorbs the bumps much better than my previous trolleys.
I've just designed and am 3D printing a couple of adaptor parts to make my nice stand bag sit more securely on it as I don't like swapping around to specific cart bags.
Peterpetrole said:
Splurged on a new Motocaddy M7 remote, I've always used remote trolleys so am pretty confident controlling it.
Based on the reviews I was hoping to get an MGI navigator but only American Golf stock it and they couldn't tell me when more were coming in which seems like poor planning by them.
Have to say pretty impressed by the Motocaddy, very smooth and absorbs the bumps much better than my previous trolleys.
I've just designed and am 3D printing a couple of adaptor parts to make my nice stand bag sit more securely on it as I don't like swapping around to specific cart bags.
Nice - I picked up the M5 GPS last year and it's been a brilliant purchase. I still can't get over the battery on it - I've got the 18 Hole one and for the last few times I've used it it's been showing as full on the indicator when I've finished my round. Based on the reviews I was hoping to get an MGI navigator but only American Golf stock it and they couldn't tell me when more were coming in which seems like poor planning by them.
Have to say pretty impressed by the Motocaddy, very smooth and absorbs the bumps much better than my previous trolleys.
I've just designed and am 3D printing a couple of adaptor parts to make my nice stand bag sit more securely on it as I don't like swapping around to specific cart bags.
Get what you mean about the bag fittings - I've got the Hydroflex bag which is a sort of hybrid but has the Motocaddy fittings on the bottom so stays pretty secure. I use that as my summer bag, as in winter trolleys are frowned upon at our place so I switch to my lightweight Nike one.
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