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One thing I hadn't thought about playing cricket since I was a teen is the need to put a 5-10 over sting umpiring.
I'm fine with most of the rules but LBWs worry me. I'm not a confident person when having to making snap decisions and don't want confrontation with either my team for calling them out or the opposition for not.
I know the rules but at the 3rd XI level how strict should I be. As a bowler in the last game I had two which I thought were 100% out denied. Am I really just looking for obvious straight wicket to wicket balls slapped on the pads.? In the last game mine were denied because they were going down leg side which was b
ks as they were swinging away.
Anyway I've treated myself to a clicker as I can't count and you can't always find some stones.
I'm fine with most of the rules but LBWs worry me. I'm not a confident person when having to making snap decisions and don't want confrontation with either my team for calling them out or the opposition for not.
I know the rules but at the 3rd XI level how strict should I be. As a bowler in the last game I had two which I thought were 100% out denied. Am I really just looking for obvious straight wicket to wicket balls slapped on the pads.? In the last game mine were denied because they were going down leg side which was b
ks as they were swinging away.Anyway I've treated myself to a clicker as I can't count and you can't always find some stones.
Good luck with that.
LBW calls in the amateur game have been made so much more complicated by DRS in the professional game, and the technology that goes with it.
As the poor umpire doesn't have access to UltraEdge or ball-tracking, you just have to guess. Luckily, the batting side can't review a decision either, so the umpire's word is law. Over the course of a season, these things usually balance themselves out.
Neutral umpires would be an obvious answer, but where will you find two of those at a club match?
LBW calls in the amateur game have been made so much more complicated by DRS in the professional game, and the technology that goes with it.
As the poor umpire doesn't have access to UltraEdge or ball-tracking, you just have to guess. Luckily, the batting side can't review a decision either, so the umpire's word is law. Over the course of a season, these things usually balance themselves out.
Neutral umpires would be an obvious answer, but where will you find two of those at a club match?
Dermot O'Logical said:
Neutral umpires would be an obvious answer, but where will you find two of those at a club match?
Whats shocked me since returning is the complete lack of help and support at matches. When I was young I played juniors, my dad played for the seniors and we would all go as a family on Saturday afternoon. Mum did the teas, when we were older my brother and I would play occasionally if they were short. There was a lady who lived nearby who came with her pencil case and coloured pens/pencils and would do the scoring. Some club members who werent playing would often turn up and they would do some umpiring, help with the teas/drinks, setting up etc, not completely neutral but not a player. Teams would turn up, play, shower, change, go the pub. Lots of family would be there watching/supporting.The games Ive played there has been no one else there, no family, no one helping, no teas any more post covid. People turn up play and then bugger off home straight after without getting changed. Very odd. I think the 1st XI probably get a bit more support and things, as the 3rd XI we dont play at our actual home ground, its a different one.
I think you're right, Covid did for the teas, and took away a lot of the "atmosphere" and camaraderie of club cricket, so you don't get the same characters who turn up and help out for the good of the game.
The club for which my son has played since he was ten years old has always been very sociable, and they're keen to promote youngsters through into the senior teams, so you still get teenagers accompanied by parents, who can sometimes be prepared to help out. The club chairman used to have a "thing" about cricket teas, and was hoping to do away with them, and Covid killed them off completely, which has taken an important part of the "social" element of the games away.
Maybe things will change, and we'll get back to being able to have volunteers umpiring, scoring etc, although stats and scorecards are now published on club websites, so scoring needs to be done by people with experience, most club players are as focussed on their stats as Geoff Boycott!.
Incidentally, the game that my son played at the weekend was videod, and available on the host club's website. Only one camera, and the view is from Third Man/Cow Corner, but it's a nice idea, most of the players like it.
The club for which my son has played since he was ten years old has always been very sociable, and they're keen to promote youngsters through into the senior teams, so you still get teenagers accompanied by parents, who can sometimes be prepared to help out. The club chairman used to have a "thing" about cricket teas, and was hoping to do away with them, and Covid killed them off completely, which has taken an important part of the "social" element of the games away.
Maybe things will change, and we'll get back to being able to have volunteers umpiring, scoring etc, although stats and scorecards are now published on club websites, so scoring needs to be done by people with experience, most club players are as focussed on their stats as Geoff Boycott!.
Incidentally, the game that my son played at the weekend was videod, and available on the host club's website. Only one camera, and the view is from Third Man/Cow Corner, but it's a nice idea, most of the players like it.
Dermot O'Logical said:
I think you're right, Covid did for the teas, and took away a lot of the "atmosphere" and camaraderie of club cricket, so you don't get the same characters who turn up and help out for the good of the game.
The club for which my son has played since he was ten years old has always been very sociable, and they're keen to promote youngsters through into the senior teams, so you still get teenagers accompanied by parents, who can sometimes be prepared to help out. The club chairman used to have a "thing" about cricket teas, and was hoping to do away with them, and Covid killed them off completely, which has taken an important part of the "social" element of the games away.
Maybe things will change, and we'll get back to being able to have volunteers umpiring, scoring etc, although stats and scorecards are now published on club websites, so scoring needs to be done by people with experience, most club players are as focussed on their stats as Geoff Boycott!.
Incidentally, the game that my son played at the weekend was videod, and available on the host club's website. Only one camera, and the view is from Third Man/Cow Corner, but it's a nice idea, most of the players like it.
I coach the U11/U13s, the parents have to be press-ganged in to helping with the junior games! I am lucky at my club, we have a good set up, seeing what some of the other coaches have to put up with, absolutely no help at all from anyone. I just coach, have a team manager to do the admin.The club for which my son has played since he was ten years old has always been very sociable, and they're keen to promote youngsters through into the senior teams, so you still get teenagers accompanied by parents, who can sometimes be prepared to help out. The club chairman used to have a "thing" about cricket teas, and was hoping to do away with them, and Covid killed them off completely, which has taken an important part of the "social" element of the games away.
Maybe things will change, and we'll get back to being able to have volunteers umpiring, scoring etc, although stats and scorecards are now published on club websites, so scoring needs to be done by people with experience, most club players are as focussed on their stats as Geoff Boycott!.
Incidentally, the game that my son played at the weekend was videod, and available on the host club's website. Only one camera, and the view is from Third Man/Cow Corner, but it's a nice idea, most of the players like it.
Ive seen those video boxes, FrogBox I think its called
I play occasional 2’s but mainly 3’s and 4’s and also captain our Sunday development side (so often play twice a week with a mid week T20 thrown in..)
What I’ve found, mainly with the dev side, is that parents just don’t want to help - at the start of every season and then throughout the club offer to pay for anyone to go on an umpire course (basic) and a scoring course - very few will do it.
I’ve been out in the middle on a Sunday umpiring and scoring at the same time because no one else will help, and if I didn’t do that there wouldn’t be a match.
It does annoy me a touch…
What I’ve found, mainly with the dev side, is that parents just don’t want to help - at the start of every season and then throughout the club offer to pay for anyone to go on an umpire course (basic) and a scoring course - very few will do it.
I’ve been out in the middle on a Sunday umpiring and scoring at the same time because no one else will help, and if I didn’t do that there wouldn’t be a match.
It does annoy me a touch…
turn the first one down, then do the rest on strength of appeal as long as the bowlers is not one of these bellends who overzealously appeal for everything, but there are plenty even in village 3rd xi, extra 3rds etc., let alone the ones and twos.
my terrible attention span meant i never had a clue what was LB as i was often in a world of my own...every other over i lost count too despite having dickie birdesque mini beer barrel counters.
dont get me started on a stint with the score book, only done it twice in 30 years of playing since i was a little kid and being up the ladder for the last 5 years.
my terrible attention span meant i never had a clue what was LB as i was often in a world of my own...every other over i lost count too despite having dickie birdesque mini beer barrel counters.
dont get me started on a stint with the score book, only done it twice in 30 years of playing since i was a little kid and being up the ladder for the last 5 years.
Provided you understand the lbw laws, the decision making process isn’t that difficult. The trouble starts when people make mistakes about the laws - ie they give a batsman out when everyone knows the ball pitched outside leg stump, or when there’s been an inside edge. In my experience very few players complain seriously if you have a difference of opinion over whether the ball was going over the stumps (for example). So make sure you know the lbw laws properly and always remember that “…if there’s any doubt the answer is not out.”
Played my first T20 game of the season last night against a team who have previous form for "interesting" umpiring decisions (they bring they own ump). One of their openers stupidly ran himself out in the first over, so predictably when their decent no.3 was also run out shortly after by about half a foot, their umpire at SL didn't give it out...obviously he went on to make 36 quick sharp and retired.
Then a stumping not given out when the guy was absolutely no-where - he also scored well.
So by that point my team were channeling Kevin Keegan - 138 to win - ""I'll tell you, honestly, I will LOVE it if we beat them. LOVE IT.”
Having not batted since last year and failed to attend nets this year for various reasons, I was obviously thrilled to be asked to open...and actually, I felt pretty good. Scored a respectable 21 on a sticky pitch, while my opening partner put on 32 so a solid foundation for the big hitters to come in later and secure victory with 5 balls to go. I am definitely more a Boycott-style player which doesn't lend itself well to T20 so I was pleasantly surprised with myself when I hit a straight six back over the bowlers head, much to the delight of my two sons who were watching on the boundary.
It felt good to be back, even if it was f**king freezing
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Then a stumping not given out when the guy was absolutely no-where - he also scored well.
So by that point my team were channeling Kevin Keegan - 138 to win - ""I'll tell you, honestly, I will LOVE it if we beat them. LOVE IT.”
Having not batted since last year and failed to attend nets this year for various reasons, I was obviously thrilled to be asked to open...and actually, I felt pretty good. Scored a respectable 21 on a sticky pitch, while my opening partner put on 32 so a solid foundation for the big hitters to come in later and secure victory with 5 balls to go. I am definitely more a Boycott-style player which doesn't lend itself well to T20 so I was pleasantly surprised with myself when I hit a straight six back over the bowlers head, much to the delight of my two sons who were watching on the boundary.
It felt good to be back, even if it was f**king freezing
.Regarding LBWs, the best way to approach it is deal with each aspect in order in which they occur. Did it pitch outside leg, what did it hit first (bat or pad), did it hit in line, was batter playing a shot and finally would it have hit the stumps. An appeal can fail at any of these.
Also consider the angle - a bowler bowling right arm over to a left handed batter is going to have to do something special to get an LBW. Watch the keeper's position as well as that wil tell you where the ball was heading.
Also consider the angle - a bowler bowling right arm over to a left handed batter is going to have to do something special to get an LBW. Watch the keeper's position as well as that wil tell you where the ball was heading.
Dermot O'Logical said:
Neutral umpires would be an obvious answer, but where will you find two of those at a club match?
In our park cricket in the district I played in each grade had an uneven number of teams, generally 7 and there was a full round of one day games and a full round of 2 day games with each team having two byes, one in each format.Duty umpiring was brought in here probably at least 30 years ago to prevent home town decisions, the draw is also arranged so that clubs with teams in adjacent grades don't get to umpire their own club.
When a team had a bye they had to provide umpires to the adjacent grade, so over the 3 days of byes over the season 18 umpires were required.
The team having the bye and doing umpiring duty was awarded 1st innings points (6) provided the necessary number of umpires were present each day, all results are entered online so the club doing duty names the umpires on each day and the teams being umpired also report the names.
If 1 or more umpire fails to turn up no points are awarded to the duty team and fines can apply and mostly are applied.
Umpiring courses are run at the start of each season, these are the full monty courses and qualify to umpire at any level as experience and confidence builds.
These umpires once qualified are paid for each game they stand in, I've not played for a couple of seasons now but from memory the last season I played umpires were paid something like $200 for a 2 day game and $120 for a 1 day game, they can also stand as a named duty umpire for their team and get paid as a B&W so long as they are appointed to the game by the appointments panel and are in uniform.
I was a B&W for round 20 years and also a member of the lectures and examination panel.
The comments above about the LBW decisions above are perfectly valid and watching where the keeper is heading off to gives you a good clue if it's heading down leg or not, also have a look at where the bowler is delivering from, if he is wide on the crease and hits the batsman in front it's unlikely to be hitting unless the bowler has a big outie or the batsman has gone right back into his stumps
Scabutz said:
One thing I hadn't thought about playing cricket since I was a teen is the need to put a 5-10 over sting umpiring.
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5-10 overs! a dream!! 2 weeks ago I did the entire 40 over innings, bowlers end to bowlers end, with juniors doing the square leg duties....
It has prompted me to run an umpiring course at the club though - we have a lot of people (like you Scabutz) coming back to cricket and not ready to umpire.
I'm putting it together from the ECB Stage One course which I have on my ECB E learning account. I've now got 25 people signed up!
theplayingmantis said:
RichB said:
suthol said:
RichB said:
OOI what's a B&W?
A fully qualified umpireWhite shirt with association patch on the pocket, black pants, sky blue association tie
ECB PL's have neutral umpires
In park juniors the B&W stands at the bowlers end and the batting coach at sq leg, in park seniors the B&W stands at the bowlers end and duty umpires from the adjacent grade stand at sq leg
Junior & senior reps have 2 x B&W for each game as does district grade cricket and suburban & shires for all grades.
Once I made the mistake of doing an U16A game in the morning and a senior game in the afternoon when we had the duty bye, that was 120 overs of intense concentration and decision making standing at the bowlers end, never did that again back and brain were both r00ted
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