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soupdragon1 said:
Anyone see the Hatton interview on sky sports between round 3 and round 4? So Tyrell, England play their opener in the Euro's while you'll be out on the course. Are you going to, and how are you going to stay in touch with the score? Tyrell was like, WTF kind of question is that? He basically said 'Ill see if I can find out, but I fully expect them to win'
It's game No1 in the group stage and he's got one more round of a major to go with an outside chance of winning. And they ask them about a match that will be quite a bit far from his mind, but with an underlying 'we'll question your patriotism if you don't answer correctly' kind of vibe. Completely rediculous to throw that sort of question at him when his brutally honest answer is more likely 'I really couldn't give a f
k right now, I've some serious golf to play so I'll find out later'. I'm sure he'll cheer them on, no doubt, but not while he's battling it out for a major and trying to squeak out some of those rare official ranking points.
Sarah Stirk is quite a notably absence from skysports golf right now. She was always spot on so I can see why people aren't too engaged with some of the interviews at the moment. That one with Tyrell was pure cringe.
I didn't see that but I did see his quote when he was asked if he preferred the setup at Pinehurst or Valhalla - something along the lines of he prefers Pinehurst because everyone loses their heads which he does every week, and it gave them an opportunity to see what it was like in his world It's game No1 in the group stage and he's got one more round of a major to go with an outside chance of winning. And they ask them about a match that will be quite a bit far from his mind, but with an underlying 'we'll question your patriotism if you don't answer correctly' kind of vibe. Completely rediculous to throw that sort of question at him when his brutally honest answer is more likely 'I really couldn't give a f
k right now, I've some serious golf to play so I'll find out later'. I'm sure he'll cheer them on, no doubt, but not while he's battling it out for a major and trying to squeak out some of those rare official ranking points.Sarah Stirk is quite a notably absence from skysports golf right now. She was always spot on so I can see why people aren't too engaged with some of the interviews at the moment. That one with Tyrell was pure cringe.
Well the 36 on Saturday for the club champs didn't go to plan.
Greens were rolled and quick, course was long after overnight rain/off the tips, it was on/off rainstorms, heavy wind and the rough had been grown up...
I shot a net +3, gross +12 first round which left me ~15th in the gross and T3 in the nett. With driving wind, more rain and fatigue I finished the second round +9 net or something like +18 gross...
Enough for 10th or so in both the net and gross, 60 people playing. Strangely I got cut 0.3 off my index for the first round too!
Thankfully golf for the next few weeks is more social - playing with some friends this weekend then have a game at Sunningdale Old next week, a lads golf trip to Wyboston Lakes the weekend after and have been invited for a round at Wentworth the week after - hopefully I can make the diary work for the latter!
Greens were rolled and quick, course was long after overnight rain/off the tips, it was on/off rainstorms, heavy wind and the rough had been grown up...
I shot a net +3, gross +12 first round which left me ~15th in the gross and T3 in the nett. With driving wind, more rain and fatigue I finished the second round +9 net or something like +18 gross...
Enough for 10th or so in both the net and gross, 60 people playing. Strangely I got cut 0.3 off my index for the first round too!
Thankfully golf for the next few weeks is more social - playing with some friends this weekend then have a game at Sunningdale Old next week, a lads golf trip to Wyboston Lakes the weekend after and have been invited for a round at Wentworth the week after - hopefully I can make the diary work for the latter!
kiethton said:
Thankfully golf for the next few weeks is more social - playing with some friends this weekend then have a game at Sunningdale Old next week, a lads golf trip to Wyboston Lakes the weekend after and have been invited for a round at Wentworth the week after - hopefully I can make the diary work for the latter!
You lucky, lucky man. Hope you make it work and have a great time rallye101 said:
Tycho said:
You lucky, lucky man. Hope you make it work and have a great time
You'll enjoy that, the old is the best, the new is flippin hard at Sunningdale... Wentworth attracts a different crowd these days but the courses are very nice, take it you're on the west?Rosscow said:
soupdragon1 said:
Challo said:
I don't see the issue with No5. Yes it massively punishes players for not being accurate, but it is a Par5 and players trying to hit the green in two are always running a risk.
The danger was always don't go left, so don't go left. It just provides players with a challenge, and the players need to think about how they approach that hole and if you need to lay up just do that.
It must just be me but I still can't get into that way of thinking. If a tour pro is within iron distance of the green in a major championship, is a PW lay up then LW testing their skill? Thats a pretty rediculous course set up if we're having pro's going wedge wedge from 240 ish. Or maybe 7 iron then flick? Is that how we want to test them? 7 iron into the fairway isn't a very good test of skill at the levels these guys play at. Its asking them to play a nothing shot at a major, which is kind of a failure in itself. The danger was always don't go left, so don't go left. It just provides players with a challenge, and the players need to think about how they approach that hole and if you need to lay up just do that.
When the answer to the complaint is to suggest pros should be playing wedge wedge or 7 iron flick into a par 5, because the green plays like a hazzard, its highlighting that something isn't quite right with the hole IMO.
BUT - I think the only caveat you can put on it is that the players knew what it was like after 3 previous rounds (plus practice rounds), so if you take the shot on you have to accept what happens if you don't nail the shot 100%. Looking back, as someone else said, you could tell he maybe didn't get the shot 100% from his body language immediately after he struck the ball.
Another day it would have held up, he'd have 2 putted for a birdie and won. That's life!
Is the 17th at Sawgrass unfair? How many players have got that wrong and ended up in the water?
It was a challenging course and ensured a close contest. Can’t ask for more than that for a major.
rallye101 said:
Tycho said:
You lucky, lucky man. Hope you make it work and have a great time
You'll enjoy that, the old is the best, the new is flippin hard at Sunningdale... Wentworth attracts a different crowd these days but the courses are very nice, take it you're on the west?Glad I played them a few years ago, and a few other top bucket list courses, before green fees went completely silly. And will get sillier.
(Pinehurst number 2 is only available as part of a package when you stay there, but an additional round on it is $590. Although unlike most American championship courses at least it is open to the public).
Challo said:
That’s my point. It. Can be argued that perhaps 5 was a little unfair due to natural scrub on the left hand side, but it’s a major and supposed to be a tough course. The players had 3 rounds previously knowing where they could miss and Rory didn’t hit the shot right and paid the price.
Is the 17th at Sawgrass unfair? How many players have got that wrong and ended up in the water?
It was a challenging course and ensured a close contest. Can’t ask for more than that for a major.
Agreed it was refreshing to see in these days of seemingly laser guided professional tour players, that the course challenged their thinking, in many ways like a bare hard and crusty wind swept links would do, it stops just being about ex number of yards with ex iron, different clubs have to come out different shots have to be played. Is the 17th at Sawgrass unfair? How many players have got that wrong and ended up in the water?
It was a challenging course and ensured a close contest. Can’t ask for more than that for a major.
It gave us a great tournament, I really enjoyed watching the players tackling it with a variety of shots and strategies on display.
RayDonovan said:
Rubbish form continues into the club pairs Matchplay. Poor start, never recovered and we lost 5&4. Opponents were 2 mates from the scratch team and one of them was -4 gross through 14 holes.
Not sure whether to try and take a few weeks off or just play through the bad spell.
I like to play through it. Go back to basics of pick target and swing. Not sure whether to try and take a few weeks off or just play through the bad spell.
Sometimes just taking 4 or 5 clubs and playing off the front tees hitting half chippy shots and enjoying the walk can be all it takes. Even hitting a cut then draw then cut on alternate shots just to get you out of any technical thoughts.
I think the links comparison is a good one. I can't remember the Troon layout, but presumably there will be a number of driveable par fours that won't be attempted because the better play is an almost guaranteed shot from the short stuff into the green having used an iron off the tee. The Par 5 in question at the US Open was no different in my opinion.
Royal Burgess was fun, but fast and tricky greens. The contrast between parkland with no rough, but trees and Gleneagles where we currently have heavy rough and Gorse, but few trees is interesting. I lost my accuracy and found myself trying to play a whole different set of low shots under trees.
The answer is to hit the fairway more often!
Royal Burgess was fun, but fast and tricky greens. The contrast between parkland with no rough, but trees and Gleneagles where we currently have heavy rough and Gorse, but few trees is interesting. I lost my accuracy and found myself trying to play a whole different set of low shots under trees.
The answer is to hit the fairway more often!
48Valves said:
RayDonovan said:
Rubbish form continues into the club pairs Matchplay. Poor start, never recovered and we lost 5&4. Opponents were 2 mates from the scratch team and one of them was -4 gross through 14 holes.
Not sure whether to try and take a few weeks off or just play through the bad spell.
I like to play through it. Go back to basics of pick target and swing. Not sure whether to try and take a few weeks off or just play through the bad spell.
Sometimes just taking 4 or 5 clubs and playing off the front tees hitting half chippy shots and enjoying the walk can be all it takes. Even hitting a cut then draw then cut on alternate shots just to get you out of any technical thoughts.
Probably some lessons learnt about priorities for next season anyway, club comps, regional comps, club Matchplay and being scratch captain is probably too much and is taking some enjoyment away from playing...
RayDonovan said:
48Valves said:
RayDonovan said:
Rubbish form continues into the club pairs Matchplay. Poor start, never recovered and we lost 5&4. Opponents were 2 mates from the scratch team and one of them was -4 gross through 14 holes.
Not sure whether to try and take a few weeks off or just play through the bad spell.
I like to play through it. Go back to basics of pick target and swing. Not sure whether to try and take a few weeks off or just play through the bad spell.
Sometimes just taking 4 or 5 clubs and playing off the front tees hitting half chippy shots and enjoying the walk can be all it takes. Even hitting a cut then draw then cut on alternate shots just to get you out of any technical thoughts.
Probably some lessons learnt about priorities for next season anyway, club comps, regional comps, club Matchplay and being scratch captain is probably too much and is taking some enjoyment away from playing...
Since taking it up again a few years back, I haven't bothered with the big club comps or playing club matches.
Previously I would play in everything and was obsessed with winning everything. Now, I am happy just to chop it round with my mate and the boy having a laugh and trying to play good shots. I would rather shoot a good score playing well on my own, than win a comp or a match having not played well or by getting lucky. The change in mindset makes me enjoy playing a lot more.
RayDonovan said:
48Valves said:
RayDonovan said:
Rubbish form continues into the club pairs Matchplay. Poor start, never recovered and we lost 5&4. Opponents were 2 mates from the scratch team and one of them was -4 gross through 14 holes.
Not sure whether to try and take a few weeks off or just play through the bad spell.
I like to play through it. Go back to basics of pick target and swing. Not sure whether to try and take a few weeks off or just play through the bad spell.
Sometimes just taking 4 or 5 clubs and playing off the front tees hitting half chippy shots and enjoying the walk can be all it takes. Even hitting a cut then draw then cut on alternate shots just to get you out of any technical thoughts.
Probably some lessons learnt about priorities for next season anyway, club comps, regional comps, club Matchplay and being scratch captain is probably too much and is taking some enjoyment away from playing...
Although given how the summer is going weather wise, I'm sure an opportunity for a break will be along shortly
I'd go with 48V's suggestion - just pop out for a few holes and try to play some shots and get the confidence back away from the (many) pressures of competition you have.
I've got a Team Match tonight at Trentham Park, a course I'm a fan of so mostly looking forward to it. I say mostly, as I don't think my legs have quite recovered from the 54 holes over the weekend just yet.....
Chris Stott said:
Wills2 said:
This is why I like Bryson, gate crashes the golf channel when they are recreating his bunker shot to the 18th.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yVVTaaRC-FA
That’s brilliant. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yVVTaaRC-FA
And yes - as someone already said, Rory choked but Bryson still had to produce that miraculous up & down.
ukwill said:
That had me grinning inanely. Bryson is a breath of fresh air as far as I'm concerned. He's clearly enjoying himself and I think that is not only helping his game, but it's radiating out to all those around him, including the fans. I'm all for making Golf less stuffy, whilst maintaining a decent level of decorum.
And yes - as someone already said, Rory choked but Bryson still had to produce that miraculous up & down.
Bryson choked, only about 50% of his shots were good ones on Sunday. Rory hit fewer bad shots. Even on 18 where finally Bryson got a bad lie off another missed fairway, he fluffed his recovery shot. Rory got a bad lie too on 18 but hit a great recovery and a great chip.And yes - as someone already said, Rory choked but Bryson still had to produce that miraculous up & down.
Both stood on 18 at minus 6. Rory hit 2 good shots on that hole, Bryson only hit 1 good shot.
Don't let the final score on the scorecard dictate the narrative. Bryson hit some fantastic shots on Sunday, but he hit quite a number of stinkers.
soupdragon1 said:
ukwill said:
That had me grinning inanely. Bryson is a breath of fresh air as far as I'm concerned. He's clearly enjoying himself and I think that is not only helping his game, but it's radiating out to all those around him, including the fans. I'm all for making Golf less stuffy, whilst maintaining a decent level of decorum.
And yes - as someone already said, Rory choked but Bryson still had to produce that miraculous up & down.
Bryson choked, only about 50% of his shots were good ones on Sunday. Rory hit fewer bad shots. Even on 18 where finally Bryson got a bad lie off another missed fairway, he fluffed his recovery shot. Rory got a bad lie too on 18 but hit a great recovery and a great chip.And yes - as someone already said, Rory choked but Bryson still had to produce that miraculous up & down.
Both stood on 18 at minus 6. Rory hit 2 good shots on that hole, Bryson only hit 1 good shot.
Don't let the final score on the scorecard dictate the narrative. Bryson hit some fantastic shots on Sunday, but he hit quite a number of stinkers.
abzmike said:
soupdragon1 said:
ukwill said:
That had me grinning inanely. Bryson is a breath of fresh air as far as I'm concerned. He's clearly enjoying himself and I think that is not only helping his game, but it's radiating out to all those around him, including the fans. I'm all for making Golf less stuffy, whilst maintaining a decent level of decorum.
And yes - as someone already said, Rory choked but Bryson still had to produce that miraculous up & down.
Bryson choked, only about 50% of his shots were good ones on Sunday. Rory hit fewer bad shots. Even on 18 where finally Bryson got a bad lie off another missed fairway, he fluffed his recovery shot. Rory got a bad lie too on 18 but hit a great recovery and a great chip.And yes - as someone already said, Rory choked but Bryson still had to produce that miraculous up & down.
Both stood on 18 at minus 6. Rory hit 2 good shots on that hole, Bryson only hit 1 good shot.
Don't let the final score on the scorecard dictate the narrative. Bryson hit some fantastic shots on Sunday, but he hit quite a number of stinkers.
I watched a few holes back earlier today in the cold light of day. With everyone on Twitter etc talking about sacking Harry Diamond, or Rory bottling it, he just had a bit of bad luck and Bryson got a bit more of the good luck.
That 15th hole where he made bogey was just a gust of wind. s
t happens unfortunately and when margins are fine, mother nature can add or subtract a few yards.Look at the flag as the camera pans back after Rory's ball rolled off the back of the green. Flag is almost stiff:
60 seconds later, look at the limp flag after Cantlay approach
Look over Rory's right shoulder, limp flag just after he hit his shot to 15. Trees protecting the flag so no wind feeling on the tee, adding complexity/confusion.
Look at it another way, if Cantlay had the honour on 15, Rory might be the champion? Those 60 seconds was quite a different wind for both players.
It's just the game of golf, sometimes these things happen. Like Tiger hitting the pin famously at 15 at Augusta and then spinning into the water, putting him out of contention. A gust of wind on a precision shot can happen to anyone too.
I think he played great down the stretch. No choke and no need to sack Harry
It was just two great players going at it down the last 9 holes of a major - someone had to win and someone had to lose. For me it came down to luck - Bryson spent his day in the waste area and never seemed to get penalised for it, Rory had a couple of horrible breaks (his second shot on 5, being left with that putt on 18) and lost.
Bryson still had to play what he called the shot of his career to win it. I can see why Rory was pissed off after that putt on 16, but for me that was his strongest major performance in a while - I have every confidence he will be back.
It wasn't the best look jumping in his car as soon as Bryson holed his putt, but given how emotional he gets (he's cried in a couple of press conferences recently, and no one really needs to see that again) I sort of understand.
Bryson still had to play what he called the shot of his career to win it. I can see why Rory was pissed off after that putt on 16, but for me that was his strongest major performance in a while - I have every confidence he will be back.
It wasn't the best look jumping in his car as soon as Bryson holed his putt, but given how emotional he gets (he's cried in a couple of press conferences recently, and no one really needs to see that again) I sort of understand.
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