Discussion
bodhi said:
I think all the chat around Rory choking is missing a fairly important factor - Bryson had to get up and down from a bunker 50 odd yards away on the 18th to win, which as well all know is one of the hardest shots in golf. OK Rory's putt on 16 was a shocker, but it still looks to me like Bryson won that rather than Rory losing it.
He missed two putts at short range, not a choke In my view as the bunker on 18 was really good from Rory. As said Bryson was the better man and made the least amount of mistake simples.
Feel free to show some love for a decent hole 😵
https://youtu.be/hjhXWPl8e3k?si=YSq5uSyvZJxK6FK8
https://youtu.be/hjhXWPl8e3k?si=YSq5uSyvZJxK6FK8
Teatowell said:
Challo said:
I don't see the issue with No5. Yes it massively punishes players for not being accurate, but it is a Par5 and players trying to hit the green in two are always running a risk.
The danger was always don't go left, so don't go left. It just provides players with a challenge, and the players need to think about how they approach that hole and if you need to lay up just do that.
Agreed, it’s the same course for all the players. The danger was always don't go left, so don't go left. It just provides players with a challenge, and the players need to think about how they approach that hole and if you need to lay up just do that.
His club and shot selection over the last 4 holes was very odd though.
Overclub at 15. Aggressive putt at 16. Pin attack at 17. Driver off 18.
All he needed was steady par golf.
I think seeing Bryson hit it close at 17 may have tilted him to hit driver on the last though.
Chris Stott said:
Wills2 said:
This is why I like Bryson, gate crashes the golf channel when they are recreating his bunker shot to the 18th.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yVVTaaRC-FA
That’s brilliant. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yVVTaaRC-FA
Wills2 said:
Chris Stott said:
Wills2 said:
This is why I like Bryson, gate crashes the golf channel when they are recreating his bunker shot to the 18th.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yVVTaaRC-FA
That’s brilliant. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yVVTaaRC-FA
rallye101 said:
48Valves said:
Back to normal people golf.
Played yesterday afternoon in blustery conditions. I was rather tiered after spending 14 and a half hours at my football club presentation on Saturday on my feet all day, then staying up to wath the golf till god knows what time. So I wasn't particurly energised for the round, but I was convinced to put in a card for the Stableford comp. A 3 putt bogey on the first didnt help.
But a very good up and down on 2 woke me up. Misssed good birdie cahnces on 3 and for before holing a 30fter on 5, at this point I was back fully engaged.
Long story short, I didn't drive or putt great, but I was flushing my irons and hitting good approach shots. signed for a 4 over 76 for 38
points and a cut to 5.5
. 5.5 is just 0.1 from equalling the lowest I've ever been. If only I hadn't missest the 18" putt on 13 
Our course is startling to look great. The greens are magnificent, and quck. They were still running nicely even on a Sunday afternoon.
Nearly a Cat 1.....not a lot of people can say that,good luckPlayed yesterday afternoon in blustery conditions. I was rather tiered after spending 14 and a half hours at my football club presentation on Saturday on my feet all day, then staying up to wath the golf till god knows what time. So I wasn't particurly energised for the round, but I was convinced to put in a card for the Stableford comp. A 3 putt bogey on the first didnt help.
But a very good up and down on 2 woke me up. Misssed good birdie cahnces on 3 and for before holing a 30fter on 5, at this point I was back fully engaged.
Long story short, I didn't drive or putt great, but I was flushing my irons and hitting good approach shots. signed for a 4 over 76 for 38
points and a cut to 5.5
. 5.5 is just 0.1 from equalling the lowest I've ever been. If only I hadn't missest the 18" putt on 13 Our course is startling to look great. The greens are magnificent, and quck. They were still running nicely even on a Sunday afternoon.
Thanks for all the other nice comments too
bodhi said:
Wills2 said:
Chris Stott said:
Wills2 said:
This is why I like Bryson, gate crashes the golf channel when they are recreating his bunker shot to the 18th.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yVVTaaRC-FA
That’s brilliant. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yVVTaaRC-FA
Wills2 said:
I wasn't aware of his poor reputation was it the moving to LIV thing? He has admitted it himself so I guess he did something wrong.
He was aloof when he joined the tour… he made a few flippant comments, eg; he was going to treat Augusta as drive chip and putt (paraphrased). Then he bulked up massively with accusations of steroid use… then he f
ked off to LIV for a pile of cash. He didn’t really endear himself to anyone but the usual ‘GET IN THE HOLE!’ crowd.
Chris Stott said:
Wills2 said:
I wasn't aware of his poor reputation was it the moving to LIV thing? He has admitted it himself so I guess he did something wrong.
He was aloof when he joined the tour… he made a few flippant comments, eg; he was going to treat Augusta as drive chip and putt (paraphrased). Then he bulked up massively with accusations of steroid use… then he fked off to LIV for a pile of cash. He didn’t really endear himself to anyone but the usual ‘GET IN THE HOLE!’ crowd.
For example, the whole "epsom salts" thing with his balls this week. Hogan etc. did this decades ago, it's not a discovery.
Thick grips and very upright clubs - ok, will sort of give him that as it's unusual, although to my eyes he's getting less upright as he gets older and less flexible and needs a bit more fold in the arms.
He talked about the COR of flagsticks (as to whether they should be left in or not) when the actual physics calculation is far more complicated with a lot more variables.
Bulge on the irons, again not new, was on that Daily Mail special club that was advertised for years, the "Controller" was it?
Pursuing long drive when it was obvious (I predicted it) he would get injured, which he did and put him out for 9 months.
Ugly ugly putting style that should be banned (USGA at fault for that).
Childish feud with Koepka (both guilty).
Great player though.
danneth said:
Fun 
Driver looked a handful to say the least!
Aphrabehn said:
Chris Stott said:
Wills2 said:
I wasn't aware of his poor reputation was it the moving to LIV thing? He has admitted it himself so I guess he did something wrong.
He was aloof when he joined the tour… he made a few flippant comments, eg; he was going to treat Augusta as drive chip and putt (paraphrased). Then he bulked up massively with accusations of steroid use… then he fked off to LIV for a pile of cash. He didn’t really endear himself to anyone but the usual ‘GET IN THE HOLE!’ crowd.
For example, the whole "epsom salts" thing with his balls this week. Hogan etc. did this decades ago, it's not a discovery.
Thick grips and very upright clubs - ok, will sort of give him that as it's unusual, although to my eyes he's getting less upright as he gets older and less flexible and needs a bit more fold in the arms.
He talked about the COR of flagsticks (as to whether they should be left in or not) when the actual physics calculation is far more complicated with a lot more variables.
Bulge on the irons, again not new, was on that Daily Mail special club that was advertised for years, the "Controller" was it?
Pursuing long drive when it was obvious (I predicted it) he would get injured, which he did and put him out for 9 months.
Ugly ugly putting style that should be banned (USGA at fault for that).
Childish feud with Koepka (both guilty).
Great player though.
He’s different, no one engages more with the fans, fun to watch. The one player from LIV who seems to have much credibility right now.
s94wht said:
Leithen said:
I think I prefer Rory being honest about how devastated he was by leaving rather than meaningless answers to the same fking stupid questions for an hour.
I'm sure in hindsight he'll regret not finding Bryson and privately congratulating him. But as for the rest, he's given more than enough of himself to the sport and the media over the last God knows how many years.
Most importantly he provided the drama on course. Those in the media world who are decrying his departure, probably don't get that.
You can just imagine what the questions would have been. There isn't a single question they could have asked him that they don't already know the answer to. king stupid questions for an hour. I'm sure in hindsight he'll regret not finding Bryson and privately congratulating him. But as for the rest, he's given more than enough of himself to the sport and the media over the last God knows how many years.
Most importantly he provided the drama on course. Those in the media world who are decrying his departure, probably don't get that.
Rory will contact Bryson and congratulate him, if he hasn't already. He's not a bad guy.
It's game No1 in the group stage and he's got one more round of a major to go with an outside chance of winning. And they ask them about a match that will be quite a bit far from his mind, but with an underlying 'we'll question your patriotism if you don't answer correctly' kind of vibe. Completely rediculous to throw that sort of question at him when his brutally honest answer is more likely 'I really couldn't give a f
k right now, I've some serious golf to play so I'll find out later'. I'm sure he'll cheer them on, no doubt, but not while he's battling it out for a major and trying to squeak out some of those rare official ranking points.Sarah Stirk is quite a notably absence from skysports golf right now. She was always spot on so I can see why people aren't too engaged with some of the interviews at the moment. That one with Tyrell was pure cringe.
bodhi said:
I think all the chat around Rory choking is missing a fairly important factor - Bryson had to get up and down from a bunker 50 odd yards away on the 18th to win, which as well all know is one of the hardest shots in golf. OK Rory's putt on 16 was a shocker, but it still looks to me like Bryson won that rather than Rory losing it.
yes, fully agree, wasn't a choke. 15 he hit a great approach towards the heart of the green with the wrong club in his hand. Ouch. 16 was a really difficult hole and he gave himself a very makeable birdie opportunity. Maybe a yip with the 2nd putt but you don't choke your way to birdie chance on that hole, that's for sure. (although, saying that, Bryson hooked it well left into the scrub and it ran at least 20 yds through it before miraculously coming back onto the fairway, so maybe you can actually choke your way up that hole lol)17 he pulled it but got it up and down nicely.
18 he didn't get the fade he set up for but desperately unlucky to pull a lie with the little bush thing right in front of his ball. Recovered well and hit a great chip shot into 4 feet. That putt was tricky and easy missed. So overall, I didn't see any choke. In fact, he played mostly good shots down the stretch under immense pressure so he's got the nerve to hold up if he finds himself there again soon.
Challo said:
I don't see the issue with No5. Yes it massively punishes players for not being accurate, but it is a Par5 and players trying to hit the green in two are always running a risk.
The danger was always don't go left, so don't go left. It just provides players with a challenge, and the players need to think about how they approach that hole and if you need to lay up just do that.
It must just be me but I still can't get into that way of thinking. If a tour pro is within iron distance of the green in a major championship, is a PW lay up then LW testing their skill? Thats a pretty rediculous course set up if we're having pro's going wedge wedge from 240 ish. Or maybe 7 iron then flick? Is that how we want to test them? 7 iron into the fairway isn't a very good test of skill at the levels these guys play at. Its asking them to play a nothing shot at a major, which is kind of a failure in itself. The danger was always don't go left, so don't go left. It just provides players with a challenge, and the players need to think about how they approach that hole and if you need to lay up just do that.
When the answer to the complaint is to suggest pros should be playing wedge wedge or 7 iron flick into a par 5, because the green plays like a hazzard, its highlighting that something isn't quite right with the hole IMO.
soupdragon1 said:
Challo said:
I don't see the issue with No5. Yes it massively punishes players for not being accurate, but it is a Par5 and players trying to hit the green in two are always running a risk.
The danger was always don't go left, so don't go left. It just provides players with a challenge, and the players need to think about how they approach that hole and if you need to lay up just do that.
It must just be me but I still can't get into that way of thinking. If a tour pro is within iron distance of the green in a major championship, is a PW lay up then LW testing their skill? Thats a pretty rediculous course set up if we're having pro's going wedge wedge from 240 ish. Or maybe 7 iron then flick? Is that how we want to test them? 7 iron into the fairway isn't a very good test of skill at the levels these guys play at. Its asking them to play a nothing shot at a major, which is kind of a failure in itself. The danger was always don't go left, so don't go left. It just provides players with a challenge, and the players need to think about how they approach that hole and if you need to lay up just do that.
When the answer to the complaint is to suggest pros should be playing wedge wedge or 7 iron flick into a par 5, because the green plays like a hazzard, its highlighting that something isn't quite right with the hole IMO.
BUT - I think the only caveat you can put on it is that the players knew what it was like after 3 previous rounds (plus practice rounds), so if you take the shot on you have to accept what happens if you don't nail the shot 100%. Looking back, as someone else said, you could tell he maybe didn't get the shot 100% from his body language immediately after he struck the ball.
Another day it would have held up, he'd have 2 putted for a birdie and won. That's life!
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