General rugby thread
Discussion
desolate said:
hornetrider said:
Shame - further evidence that the whole ship is run much more tightly than under previous regimes.Lancaster was all about being the right sort of person, whereas to me, Jones just wants the right sort of player, and isn't too fussed about anything else.
Changes to the laws as from 1 August:
Throwing the ball into the scrum
No signal from referee. The scrum-half must throw the ball in straight, but is allowed to align their shoulder on the middle line of the scrum, therefore allowing them to stand a shoulder width towards their own side of the middle line.
Rationale: To promote scrum stability, a fair contest for possession while also giving the advantage to the team throwing in.
Handling in the scrum – exception
The number eight shall be allowed to pick the ball from the feet of the second-rows.
Rationale: To promote continuity.
Striking after the throw-in
Once the ball touches the ground in the tunnel, any front-row player may use either foot to try to win possession of the ball. One player from the team who put the ball in must strike for the ball.
Rationale: To promote a fair contest for possession.
Sanction: Free-kick
The tackler must get up before playing the ball and then can only play from their own side of the tackle “gate”.
Rationale: To make the tackle/ruck simpler for players and referees and more consistent with the rest of that law.
Ruck
A ruck commences when at least one player is on their feet and over the ball which is on the ground (tackled player, tackler). At this point the offside lines are created. Players on their feet may use their hands to pick up the ball as long as this is immediate. As soon as an opposition player arrives, no hands can be used.
Rationale: To make the ruck simpler for players and referees.
Other ruck offences
A player must not kick the ball out of a ruck. The player can only hook it in a backwards motion.
Rationale: To promote player welfare and to make it consistent with scrum law.
Sanction: Penalty
I can understand the point about the advantage going to the side putting into the scrum. However, we'll need scrum halves with the shoulders of a swimmer and with extra long arms. All loose heads must be able to stand on one foot.
Mind you, there are times when it won't matter. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZXmC_fku15Y
We'll see. My club's got it's first pre-season match this Sat. In the past when there have been law changes, my team has come up with plans to exploit them only for the ref to penalise us.
Throwing the ball into the scrum
No signal from referee. The scrum-half must throw the ball in straight, but is allowed to align their shoulder on the middle line of the scrum, therefore allowing them to stand a shoulder width towards their own side of the middle line.
Rationale: To promote scrum stability, a fair contest for possession while also giving the advantage to the team throwing in.
Handling in the scrum – exception
The number eight shall be allowed to pick the ball from the feet of the second-rows.
Rationale: To promote continuity.
Striking after the throw-in
Once the ball touches the ground in the tunnel, any front-row player may use either foot to try to win possession of the ball. One player from the team who put the ball in must strike for the ball.
Rationale: To promote a fair contest for possession.
Sanction: Free-kick
The tackler must get up before playing the ball and then can only play from their own side of the tackle “gate”.
Rationale: To make the tackle/ruck simpler for players and referees and more consistent with the rest of that law.
Ruck
A ruck commences when at least one player is on their feet and over the ball which is on the ground (tackled player, tackler). At this point the offside lines are created. Players on their feet may use their hands to pick up the ball as long as this is immediate. As soon as an opposition player arrives, no hands can be used.
Rationale: To make the ruck simpler for players and referees.
Other ruck offences
A player must not kick the ball out of a ruck. The player can only hook it in a backwards motion.
Rationale: To promote player welfare and to make it consistent with scrum law.
Sanction: Penalty
I can understand the point about the advantage going to the side putting into the scrum. However, we'll need scrum halves with the shoulders of a swimmer and with extra long arms. All loose heads must be able to stand on one foot.
Mind you, there are times when it won't matter. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZXmC_fku15Y
We'll see. My club's got it's first pre-season match this Sat. In the past when there have been law changes, my team has come up with plans to exploit them only for the ref to penalise us.
DocJock said:
Good to see the new scrum laws re put-in and striking being enforced by Wayne Barnes....oh, wait...
And the same scenario in the SA/Argentina match.I know I probably sound irrationally angered, but just what is the point in introducing law changes and then having the referees ignore them?
Remarkable first game in the rugby championship between Crims and ABs. Highlights:
https://youtu.be/cT2_vU7i0P4
Puts the Lions performance in context!
https://youtu.be/cT2_vU7i0P4
Puts the Lions performance in context!
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