Lorries baned from overtaking on A14

[matt172]

Just seen this on the BBC website, only over 2 miles from J19 to the Welford road junction

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/no

[OLYC]

Doesn't affect me but good, lets roll it out to all motorways

[matt172]

I wonder if they will ever go the way of the Germans and ban lorries from the roads over the weekends

[central]

matt172 said:

Just seen this on the BBC website, only over 2 miles from J19 to the Welford road junction

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/no

**Sounds** like a half-decent idea.

Must admit though, I rarely use the A14.

[heebeegeetee]

matt172 said:

I wonder if they will ever go the way of the Germans and ban lorries from the roads over the weekends

Its not just the germans. Most european countries(if not all) have a ban on most lorries from 12 noon sat till 2200 sun and bank holiday mondays. Its to ensure drivers are properly rested and that weekend traffic/holiday traffic can get about nice and leisurely. Its just another aspect of what the euros do to enhance quality of life.

Big business runs the uk though, so it'll never happen here.

[The_Burg]

Don't know about banning trucks at the weekend, banning in rush hour yes and incetives to move at night would be good.
As for no overtaking on the A14, it won't work, just means instead of being 2 lanes there will be one. Mrs Doddery in her Fiesta will continue doing 40mph in the overtaking lane. No car is ever going to use the inside lane and get intimidated by the truckers. How would this work at junctions when you want to get off? Trucks never leave a gap greater than a fag paper so it will be mayhem.
How will it be policed? Or is there a new type of scamera being invented by Adolf Gatso?

[tyre_tread]

The_Burg said:

Don't know about banning trucks at the weekend, banning in rush hour yes and incetives to move at night would be good.
As for no overtaking on the A14, it won't work, just means instead of being 2 lanes there will be one. Mrs Doddery in her Fiesta will continue doing 40mph in the overtaking lane. No car is ever going to use the inside lane and get intimidated by the truckers. How would this work at junctions when you want to get off? Trucks never leave a gap greater than a fag paper so it will be mayhem.
How will it be policed? Or is there a new type of scamera being invented by Adolf Gatso?

Your forgot the fact that at the end of the no overtaking stretch that mayhem will ensue as the race resumes between all of the backed up lorry traffic as they jostle for position with the usual 0.0000001 mph speed differential.

Edited by tyre_tread on Tuesday 27th March 00:50

[pupp]

tyre_tread said:

The_Burg said:

Don't know about banning trucks at the weekend, banning in rush hour yes and incetives to move at night would be good.
As for no overtaking on the A14, it won't work, just means instead of being 2 lanes there will be one. Mrs Doddery in her Fiesta will continue doing 40mph in the overtaking lane. No car is ever going to use the inside lane and get intimidated by the truckers. How would this work at junctions when you want to get off? Trucks never leave a gap greater than a fag paper so it will be mayhem.
How will it be policed? Or is there a new type of scamera being invented by Adolf Gatso?

Your forgot the fact that at the end of the no overtaking stretch that mayhem will ensue as the race resumes between all of the backed up lorry traffic as they jostle for position with the usual 0.0000001 mph speed differential.

Edited by tyre_tread on Tuesday 27th March 00:50

Got any brighter ideas then? Seeing as this won't work and assuming the freight needs to go by road which seems to be a given these days....

I reckon it's worth a try as anything's better than the current chaos

[The_Burg]

pupp said:

Got any brighter ideas then? Seeing as this won't work and assuming the freight needs to go by road which seems to be a given these days....

I reckon it's worth a try as anything's better than the current chaos

Yes ban trucks during rush hour and encourage night driving.
My brother is a trucker and always tries to do nights as it's just a frustrating for them and hugely reduces fuel bills by keeping them moving.
(Pretty sure is said that in my original comment)

[falcemob]

pupp said:

tyre_tread said:

The_Burg said:

Don't know about banning trucks at the weekend, banning in rush hour yes and incetives to move at night would be good.
As for no overtaking on the A14, it won't work, just means instead of being 2 lanes there will be one. Mrs Doddery in her Fiesta will continue doing 40mph in the overtaking lane. No car is ever going to use the inside lane and get intimidated by the truckers. How would this work at junctions when you want to get off? Trucks never leave a gap greater than a fag paper so it will be mayhem.
How will it be policed? Or is there a new type of scamera being invented by Adolf Gatso?

Your forgot the fact that at the end of the no overtaking stretch that mayhem will ensue as the race resumes between all of the backed up lorry traffic as they jostle for position with the usual 0.0000001 mph speed differential.

Edited by tyre_tread on Tuesday 27th March 00:50

Got any brighter ideas then? Seeing as this won't work and assuming the freight needs to go by road which seems to be a given these days....

I reckon it's worth a try as anything's better than the current chaos

A much better idea would be to ban cars from overtaking, restrict them to 50 mph and keep them in the nearside lane. This would allow freight traffic to flow freely.

[b.johnson]

tyre_tread said:

The_Burg said:

Don't know about banning trucks at the weekend, banning in rush hour yes and incetives to move at night would be good.
As for no overtaking on the A14, it won't work, just means instead of being 2 lanes there will be one. Mrs Doddery in her Fiesta will continue doing 40mph in the overtaking lane. No car is ever going to use the inside lane and get intimidated by the truckers. How would this work at junctions when you want to get off? Trucks never leave a gap greater than a fag paper so it will be mayhem.
How will it be policed? Or is there a new type of scamera being invented by Adolf Gatso?

Your forgot the fact that at the end of the no overtaking stretch that mayhem will ensue as the race resumes between all of the backed up lorry traffic as they jostle for position with the usual 0.0000001 mph speed differential.

I thought it said it would only be enforsed at the end of the a14 (cold ashby to the M1).

There will be no junctions to get on or off, there will be no imaginary start line for the big 40 toner race there will just be a roundabout with lots of mangled metal as car drivers get cut up by inpatient lorries

Edited by tyre_tread on Tuesday 27th March 00:50

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Edited by b.johnson on Tuesday 27th March 09:11

Edited by b.johnson on Tuesday 27th March 09:12

[jmorgan]

There is a short section on the M42 before it becomes the A42 and can't see as its makes much difference.


Edited to add, 7.5T+

Edited by jmorgan on Tuesday 27th March 09:19

[petergreen]

Fit an electric shock device to all lorry steering wheels which is linked to sensors detecting fellow lorries attempting to over-take. Set the timer on the shocking device to around 10 seconds before shocking of the driver commences. This should ensure that the driver being over-taken will slow by a few mph to let the slightly quicker lorry past.

[pupp]

The_Burg said:

pupp said:

Got any brighter ideas then? Seeing as this won't work and assuming the freight needs to go by road which seems to be a given these days....

I reckon it's worth a try as anything's better than the current chaos

Yes ban trucks during rush hour and encourage night driving.
My brother is a trucker and always tries to do nights as it's just a frustrating for them and hugely reduces fuel bills by keeping them moving.
(Pretty sure is said that in my original comment)

Hopeless. Modern 'just in time' supply chain logistics wouldn't tolerate the peaks and troughs in deliveries this model would give rise to (nor warehouses' neighbours tolerate the queues of wagons that would result), and consumers wouldn't tolerate the economic impact in terms of consequent price hikes.

[justinbaker]

Fit an interlocking device betwwen the trucks, so they all connect together, then give them their own lane. reduce drag by making the rotational wheels out of metal, and then make them drive on a hard metal surface. Genuis!!! I will have to chew-choo that one over some more.

As I have to pay my mortgage for the foreseeable future based on there being a triumphant abundance of 40ft lorrys on our tarmac, leave them alone!

Also I drive a commercial vehicle, and take pleasure in flashing other commercials to overtake, while holding you sports car drivers up!

Edited by justinbaker on Tuesday 27th March 14:51

[b.johnson]

justinbaker said:

Fit an interlocking device betwwen the trucks, so they all connect together, then give them their own lane. reduce drag by making the rotational wheels out of metal, and putting them onto a hard metal surface. Genuis!!!

one problem, who is going to maintain these magical tracks, and what happens when there are leaves on them??

[The_Burg]

b.johnson said:

justinbaker said:

Fit an interlocking device betwwen the trucks, so they all connect together, then give them their own lane. reduce drag by making the rotational wheels out of metal, and putting them onto a hard metal surface. Genuis!!!

one problem, who is going to maintain these magical tracks, and what happens when there are leaves on them??

Interesting train of thought there.....

[heebeegeetee]

The_Burg said:

pupp said:

Got any brighter ideas then? Seeing as this won't work and assuming the freight needs to go by road which seems to be a given these days....

I reckon it's worth a try as anything's better than the current chaos

Yes ban trucks during rush hour and encourage night driving.
My brother is a trucker and always tries to do nights as it's just a frustrating for them and hugely reduces fuel bills by keeping them moving.
(Pretty sure is said that in my original comment)

According to John Prescott recently, there are some 32 million vehicles on the roads. I don't know how accurate that figure is, but I guess its a ballpark one.

Of those 32 million, roughly 30 million will be cars. So you could remove every single truck, bus, van taxi whsatever, and it would not make a scrap of difference.

However, you could make office workers work at night. There's no need for the majority of them to work by day, they can turn the lights on at night, we're supposed to be a global economy, so they'll be able totalk to people on the other side of the world, and so on.

It also doesn't make much sense to ship a lot more freight by rail. But people can take themselves to the train, they can put themselves on and off the train, and they can get to where they need to be once off the train. Freight can't do any of this. It takes manpower to do all of this.

The one and only thing that could be done to improve our lives is get some of those millions of cars off the roads.

(Except me, you'll not get me out my car )

[The_Burg]

heebeegeetee said:

According to John Prescott recently, there are some 32 million vehicles on the roads. I don't know how accurate that figure is, but I guess its a ballpark one.

Of those 32 million, roughly 30 million will be cars. So you could remove every single truck, bus, van taxi whsatever, and it would not make a scrap of difference.

However, you could make office workers work at night. There's no need for the majority of them to work by day, they can turn the lights on at night, we're supposed to be a global economy, so they'll be able totalk to people on the other side of the world, and so on.

It also doesn't make much sense to ship a lot more freight by rail. But people can take themselves to the train, they can put themselves on and off the train, and they can get to where they need to be once off the train. Freight can't do any of this. It takes manpower to do all of this.

The one and only thing that could be done to improve our lives is get some of those millions of cars off the roads.

(Except me, you'll not get me out my car )

Think that 2 million truck will cause major congestion by doing what this threads about, how often do you see 10's of cars stuck for several miles behind duelling trucks?
How often do you miss or do stupid manouvers to squeeze into the minute gap to get of the motorway etc?
Unfortunately they are a neccessary evil and we need them. As for us using public transport? Outside of London not a chance there is none. Also how many people are rich enough to afford to use a train? Kettering to London is £88, thats over 50p per mile!

[matt172]

The_Burg said:

[Also how many people are rich enough to afford to use a train? Kettering to London is £88, thats over 50p per mile!

88 quid!! why so much? its £16 from Northampton