Roverless (headgasket) and TiVless (Brakes)?
Discussion
I thought that I should cheer myself us over the Rover situation and consider taxing the TiV. Whizzed the wheels off to check the pads and they are paper thin so its a no go!
I have ordered groovy discs - but what are the best pads for the Chim?
The Bible recommends Mintex 1175 Front and 1287 rears but the local factors says they can't cross ref these numbers to EBC pads. Firstly are the Greenstuff pads worth it and if so can anyone tell me part numbers for a 2000 4.0L Chim with 260mm front and 273mm rear discs?
I have ordered groovy discs - but what are the best pads for the Chim?
The Bible recommends Mintex 1175 Front and 1287 rears but the local factors says they can't cross ref these numbers to EBC pads. Firstly are the Greenstuff pads worth it and if so can anyone tell me part numbers for a 2000 4.0L Chim with 260mm front and 273mm rear discs?
GreenV8S said:
Mintex pads are cheap but I think that's the best you can say about them. If you get stuck you can stick standard cardboard production pads in, but best get some decent fast road pads in - DS2500, Pagid, Tarox XF are all good pads with the right temperature range.
Thnaks for your commets Peter. any part numbers?
I agree with having the proper quality pads but think you can stick to standard brakes for normal road use unless you’ re a very fast driver
When I used to drive my mates '95 4.0 Chim, which had to the best of my knowledge completely standard brakes, the brakes were more than adequate and better than my '92 Griff with Pagid Fast road discs and pads (the Griff had smaller brakes than the Chim and my Griff was formerly owned by a bit of an expert on brakes)
It helps to have the correct tyres and tyre pressures (that's more in case someone else reads this)
My mate still has in his garage the front set of tyres from his Chim that I really fat-spotted when we toured "Western Europe" (England, Wales, Ireland and Scotland) and I did not fully commit to an overtaking manoeuvre (4.0 Chim not quite as quick as 4.3 Grif in 5th gear at two thirds speed) totally my fault but it proved beyond all doubt how good the brakes were and what an incredible amount of vapour you can get off two tyres braking very hard down hill
I don't recommend such overtaking and braking manoeuvres as they are potentially very dangerous, expensive to replace the tyres and could turn a slightly nervous passenger into a terrified passenger
When I used to drive my mates '95 4.0 Chim, which had to the best of my knowledge completely standard brakes, the brakes were more than adequate and better than my '92 Griff with Pagid Fast road discs and pads (the Griff had smaller brakes than the Chim and my Griff was formerly owned by a bit of an expert on brakes)
It helps to have the correct tyres and tyre pressures (that's more in case someone else reads this)
My mate still has in his garage the front set of tyres from his Chim that I really fat-spotted when we toured "Western Europe" (England, Wales, Ireland and Scotland) and I did not fully commit to an overtaking manoeuvre (4.0 Chim not quite as quick as 4.3 Grif in 5th gear at two thirds speed) totally my fault but it proved beyond all doubt how good the brakes were and what an incredible amount of vapour you can get off two tyres braking very hard down hill
I don't recommend such overtaking and braking manoeuvres as they are potentially very dangerous, expensive to replace the tyres and could turn a slightly nervous passenger into a terrified passenger
Edited by Sporting Bear on Sunday 18th February 15:33
Sporting Bear said:
think you can stick to standard brakes for normal road use unless you’ re a very fast driver
TVRs put far more heat into their brakes than the cars they were originally designed for - the brakes can get far hotter. If you're only cruising around then this may not be a concern, but if you ever plan to use the full performance at any point (even just a few quick blats up and down the gears) then having brakes that are capable of coping with the heat is crucial. Brakes are not a place to try to save money imo.
I reffer you sir to the first sentence of my posting
I've driven my mate's Chim a good few times and another later model 4.5 Chim and I've always found the brakes more than adequate for NORMAL road use
The guy that previously owned my Griff and put on the Padgid Peformance Fast Road dics and pads also has owned at least three Chims and as far as I know despite having access to substaintial price discount only changed the early Griffs brakes
I tell all that the first and most important thing you check when lifting the bonnet is the brake fluid - brakes are one of the most important componts on a car (don't forget your tyres, in case someone else is reading this
Heavy braking is not normally advisable, driving fast on the road is different to driving fast on a track and a lot more dangerous
I've driven my mate's Chim a good few times and another later model 4.5 Chim and I've always found the brakes more than adequate for NORMAL road use
The guy that previously owned my Griff and put on the Padgid Peformance Fast Road dics and pads also has owned at least three Chims and as far as I know despite having access to substaintial price discount only changed the early Griffs brakes
I tell all that the first and most important thing you check when lifting the bonnet is the brake fluid - brakes are one of the most important componts on a car (don't forget your tyres, in case someone else is reading this
Heavy braking is not normally advisable, driving fast on the road is different to driving fast on a track and a lot more dangerous
I can't work out whether you're saying that the standard feel better than the pagids or not, or whether this is caused by the different brake sizes or the different brake compounds. You also don't mention whether the 'standard' brakes are using fast road pads which I'd expect most specialists to fit, or standard pattern parts. Standard pattern parts will actually feel better while the brakes are cold, but if you exceed their temperature rating at any point you can get into all sorts of trouble. Good quality fast road pads are what you want on your TVR, bedded in properly and with DOT 5.1 fluid replaced regularly.
Griff had Padgid, all Chims had (to the best of I my knowledge) standard brakes that does not mean fast road it means standard to factory Chim
You don't normally get more specialist than the brake pad manufacturer (there could be exceptions)
All brakes get into trouble beyond their temperature rating
Good quality pads, bedded in properly, are what you want on any car, in normal road use that does not necessarily mean fast road pads
You don't put DOT 5.1 in unless you've changed your seals and gaskets
Let me give you a clue here Peter, I've never driven my car at track FUN CHARITY DAY open to the general public with the hood up wearing a full-face helmet and neck brace, so you and I will always have to agree to disagree
A little bit more information to tease you with - I've seen the car and meet the owner of the only factory built 5.0 litre V8S and yes it did sound fantastic
You don't normally get more specialist than the brake pad manufacturer (there could be exceptions)
All brakes get into trouble beyond their temperature rating
Good quality pads, bedded in properly, are what you want on any car, in normal road use that does not necessarily mean fast road pads
You don't put DOT 5.1 in unless you've changed your seals and gaskets
Let me give you a clue here Peter, I've never driven my car at track FUN CHARITY DAY open to the general public with the hood up wearing a full-face helmet and neck brace, so you and I will always have to agree to disagree
A little bit more information to tease you with - I've seen the car and meet the owner of the only factory built 5.0 litre V8S and yes it did sound fantastic
Sporting Bear said:
All brakes get into trouble beyond their temperature rating
Yes, which is why you choose pads which have the temperature rating suitable for the intended use.
Sporting Bear said:
You don't put DOT 5.1 in unless you've changed your seals and gaskets
Perhaps you're thinking of DOT5, which is a silicone based fluid. DOT 5.1 is a glycol-based fluid just like DOT4. DOT4 and DOT5.1 can be freely mixed and there's no need to flush the system or change anything. Sporting Bear said:
Let me give you a clue here Peter, I've never driven my car at track FUN CHARITY DAY open to the general public with the hood up wearing a full-face helmet and neck brace, so you and I will always have to agree to disagree
It seems that you have the advantage here because I can't put a face to your name. I'm not sure what relevance this has to a discussion about brakes, but at the end of the day the choice of what safety equipment I use when driving round a motor circuit is up to me. Anyway, I'm happy to agree to disagree.
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