Keeterinski, again.

[The_Burg]

Just reading the local paper, apparently they are trying to build a new estate over Walkton area, a travesty in it self, 8500 new homes.
And apparently 4000 new jobs, now my maths might not be the best but:

8500 houses = 17000 jobs, not many single income families these days.
4000 jobs, so what about the other 13000 required jobs on top of the unstoppable wave of imigrants floding the area?

80's is going to look like a party compared to whats coming!

Unemployment on the rapid up, nearly 5 million on benfits of some kind.......

Both myself and Nurse are looking for new jobs but theres nothing round here, looks like i'm stuck on the train for the forseeable.

Edited by The_Burg on Thursday 26th October 15:24

[mark r skinner]

The_Burg said:

Just reading the local paper, apparently they are trying to build a new estate over Walkton area, a travesty in it self, 8500 new homes.

Edited by The_Burg on Thursday 26th October 15:24

Old news, Steve.
But a travesty none the less!

[tyre_tread]

Tell me about it! Do you think i enjoy the Cambridge commute?

Hey ho!

Retraining time!

[The_Burg]

Actually you commute is probablty worse than mine Alan, no way would i want to drive to Cambridge and back every day in rush hour. At least i can relax on the train and no speed cameras, jams etc.

Need local jobs for local people.

[mycroft]

I didn`t see the article you refer to but as i live on the east of town i have taken an interest in this .
The fact as i understand it is that 12300 houses must be built in Kettering before 2012, this will be taken up partly by in-fill ( brownfield sites )and small developments some of which are already agreed , but mainly by greenfield development. Not near warkton but between Barton rd / Warkton lane and Cranford , the first phase will be about 4000 houses.
There are many many issues for the town with this plan which has come down from central Gov driven by John Prescott.
I attended a recent council run meeting that was to gauge feedback from local residents about detail of the Eastern enlargement plan , the universal feeling was that the people of Kettering and surrounding villages had not been consulted on the big picture. The council don`t care . Its a done deal.
Everybody in the area will be effected by what your local councils / politicians are doing , Its a scandal !
Dale

[The_Burg]

No great surprise there really.
Look at the state of the on way system, still not possible to go from south to north without rat running.
Biggest concern is employment in my opinion, Kettering has always had low levels of unemployment.

[mark r skinner]

mycroft said:

I didn`t see the article you refer to but as i live on the east of town i have taken an interest in this .
The fact as i understand it is that 12300 houses must be built in Kettering before 2012, this will be taken up partly by in-fill ( brownfield sites )and small developments some of which are already agreed , but mainly by greenfield development. Not near warkton but between Barton rd / Warkton lane and Cranford , the first phase will be about 4000 houses.
There are many many issues for the town with this plan which has come down from central Gov driven by John Prescott.
I attended a recent council run meeting that was to gauge feedback from local residents about detail of the Eastern enlargement plan , the universal feeling was that the people of Kettering and surrounding villages had not been consulted on the big picture. The council don`t care . Its a done deal.
Everybody in the area will be effected by what your local councils / politicians are doing , Its a scandal !
Dale

You`re spot on, Dale.
We looked a a house at the end of Poplars Farm road last year. Funny that the Estate Agent said nothing about the 4000 houses that would eventually be next door.

[mycroft]

The house still sold though Mark , and the people who bought it knew about the development. Its the changes that are being made to our town that anger me , the small market town i grew up in has gone and the worst is still to come . Grid locked traffic is just one aspect of enlargement on a such a scale.
I think commuters are meant to account for some of the new inhabitants , but why build all the homes at the furthest point in the town from the station, there is a park & ride planned , not sure that`ll work. Anybody seen all the new bus stops around Geddington Grafton Underwood .... All with NO SERVICE signs in them due to lack of demand.

[The_Burg]

Noooooooooo!

Not more commuters, as a commuter i can categorically state the F@ckin train is full!

Oh and i was wrong, it is Walkton Lane not Walkton.

[mark r skinner]

The_Burg said:

Noooooooooo!

Not more commuters, as a commuter i can categorically state the F@ckin train is full!

Oh and i was wrong, it is Walkton Lane not Walkton.

Still wrong, Steve! WARKTON lane.

[mark r skinner]

mycroft said:

The house still sold though Mark , and the people who bought it knew about the development. Its the changes that are being made to our town that anger me , the small market town i grew up in has gone and the worst is still to come . Grid locked traffic is just one aspect of enlargement on a such a scale.
I think commuters are meant to account for some of the new inhabitants , but why build all the homes at the furthest point in the town from the station, there is a park & ride planned , not sure that`ll work. Anybody seen all the new bus stops around Geddington Grafton Underwood .... All with NO SERVICE signs in them due to lack of demand.

I blame Pete Bradley.

[mycroft]

Me too.

[pupp]

Far be it from me to defend the bloody Council but the BeeBee Developments exhibition is just that, an exhibition by private developers that are floating a proposal to develop a massive chunk of green space. They are majoring on the fact that the Kettering Local Plan is at the end of its 10 year life and, in planning terms, land allocations are up for grabs while the replacement Local Development Framework is worked up. Essentially they are lobbying and massaging public opinion so that when their bids and resulting planning application(s) are submitted, the heat will be out of it. It's correct to say they are also relying on the targets for new house building that govt imposes (it's easier to achieve it in one or two chunks than piecemeal around the Borough), but the proposals have no policy support yet and as things stand would not get consent (as a matter of planning law the Council MUST follow planning policy unless material considerations indicate otherwise).

The Kettering Urban Extension and Town Centre Action Plans, and the Desborough/Rothwell Urban Extension Area Plans ARE proposals worked up by the Council policy planners and they are statements as to the Council's preferred way of developing those areas. Now is the time to influence things if you have strong feelings. Of course, developers feed into that consultation too and will devote much time/money to making pursuasive arguments in favour of developing large landbanks that they have conveniently assembled. Be under no illusions, massive housing and commercial development is coming this way, it's 'just' a question of how it will be accommodated and how the vested interests are sorted as a result. The Council are the poor buggers that have to administer the game and do so within a strict and impartial framework. Honest

[mark r skinner]

Gary, I bow to your superior knowledge.











Now, where did put Pete`s number.

[pupp]

mark r skinner said:

Gary, I bow to your superior knowledge.











Now, where did put Pete`s number.

No, you're right. It's all his fault

[mycroft]

So PUPP you are informed , lay your cards on the table , how come you understand the system , most people haven`t got a clue whats going on.

[pupp]

mycroft said:

So PUPP you are informed , lay your cards on the table , how come you understand the system , most people haven`t got a clue whats going on.

Most lay folk won't have a clue, that's perfectly true. It's not the fault of the Council 'though, they actually try very hard to raise awareness but have to contend with terminal public apathy in the process. All I can usefully say, is start looking at the Council website. The info is in the public domain and it is perfectly possible to influence big decisions that are about to be made; credible arguments do carry weight and the opportunity is there to present them.

[mxdi]

I should be shot,
I dont feel that strongly about good hard workers from Poland and similar being over her.
Now the unemployed who come over here taking our council houses, using our hard earned tax money, buying cars on the dhss, and getting colloege courses for free... that pisses me off

[mycroft]

pupp said:

mycroft said:

So PUPP you are informed , lay your cards on the table , how come you understand the system , most people haven`t got a clue whats going on.

Most lay folk won't have a clue, that's perfectly true. It's not the fault of the Council 'though, they actually try very hard to raise awareness but have to contend with terminal public apathy in the process. All I can usefully say, is start looking at the Council website. The info is in the public domain and it is perfectly possible to influence big decisions that are about to be made; credible arguments do carry weight and the opportunity is there to present them.

The reason i asked you to lay your cards was that i don`t want to dis you if you are involved with the council in any way , i think it would be very rude especially on a public forum.
However i must disagree with your reply above, all the comments of the locals attending the Cranford meeting to discus the Kettering Urban Extension Plan revolved around when was the consultation for the plan in the first place , these comments were swept under the carpet by the officials at the meeting . According to friends the same reaction was found at the Barton meeting and one of the Kettering meetings that they attended.
All of these people were keen to attend the fist meeting they had seen advertised only to find the plan was in place and we are there to discuss detail, are you honestly telling me that all these concerned residents disregarded the attempts of the council to notify them of the original consultation. That's just not credible.
You say its not the fault of the council, well i think it is , they should go to any lengths to make the public aware of such plans and the evidence is that they did not. When i talk to locals about the plans its obvious they have no idea of the plans that's not apathy its ignorance.
The council website has been very slow to be updated with some of the issues we had been following, being very cynical i could suggest deliberately so , but that might not be true and as i said earlier i don`t want to offend anyone . It is however very difficult not to be cynical when traffic surveys are carried out in school holidays when traffic is much lighter and speed checks in dangerous areas are done at 8am when the traffic is stationary (this tends to bring down average speeds)
As for BB developments and the plan they have muted, they own the land, nobody else is submitting a plan and the houses must be built on their land . I think consultation on the plan is only open for about two weeks then that's it. As the Morrisons development proved once the developer has approval in principle the council have very little power to change things (could be wrong here but that's how it seemed from following that one) Are many people aware that the plan on show last week at KLV involved shutting J 9 & 10 on the A14 to traffic from Kettering. Again this is only my understanding of the situation but the A14 is at capacity , but only around Kettering so blocking access for local traffic will reduce the flow and allow them to build the 4000 houses .The exit from the new estate was only East bound, a new bypass round the other side of Kettering would in theory take the increased traffic.
Not sure how i would get to the builders merchant each morning from Barton and my kids will be under strict instructions never to need A&E.
I could go on, Hospitals, doctors ,dentists ,schools, police, unemployment etc, etc.
Sorry if this is a rant.
Any comments welcome.
Dale

[pupp]

mycroft said:

pupp said:

mycroft said:

So PUPP you are informed , lay your cards on the table , how come you understand the system , most people haven`t got a clue whats going on.

Most lay folk won't have a clue, that's perfectly true. It's not the fault of the Council 'though, they actually try very hard to raise awareness but have to contend with terminal public apathy in the process. All I can usefully say, is start looking at the Council website. The info is in the public domain and it is perfectly possible to influence big decisions that are about to be made; credible arguments do carry weight and the opportunity is there to present them.

The reason i asked you to lay your cards was that i don`t want to dis you if you are involved with the council in any way , i think it would be very rude especially on a public forum.
However i must disagree with your reply above, all the comments of the locals attending the Cranford meeting to discus the Kettering Urban Extension Plan revolved around when was the consultation for the plan in the first place , these comments were swept under the carpet by the officials at the meeting . According to friends the same reaction was found at the Barton meeting and one of the Kettering meetings that they attended.
All of these people were keen to attend the fist meeting they had seen advertised only to find the plan was in place and we are there to discuss detail, are you honestly telling me that all these concerned residents disregarded the attempts of the council to notify them of the original consultation. That's just not credible.
You say its not the fault of the council, well i think it is , they should go to any lengths to make the public aware of such plans and the evidence is that they did not. When i talk to locals about the plans its obvious they have no idea of the plans that's not apathy its ignorance.
The council website has been very slow to be updated with some of the issues we had been following, being very cynical i could suggest deliberately so , but that might not be true and as i said earlier i don`t want to offend anyone . It is however very difficult not to be cynical when traffic surveys are carried out in school holidays when traffic is much lighter and speed checks in dangerous areas are done at 8am when the traffic is stationary (this tends to bring down average speeds)
As for BB developments and the plan they have muted, they own the land, nobody else is submitting a plan and the houses must be built on their land . I think consultation on the plan is only open for about two weeks then that's it. As the Morrisons development proved once the developer has approval in principle the council have very little power to change things (could be wrong here but that's how it seemed from following that one) Are many people aware that the plan on show last week at KLV involved shutting J 9 & 10 on the A14 to traffic from Kettering. Again this is only my understanding of the situation but the A14 is at capacity , but only around Kettering so blocking access for local traffic will reduce the flow and allow them to build the 4000 houses .The exit from the new estate was only East bound, a new bypass round the other side of Kettering would in theory take the increased traffic.
Not sure how i would get to the builders merchant each morning from Barton and my kids will be under strict instructions never to need A&E.
I could go on, Hospitals, doctors ,dentists ,schools, police, unemployment etc, etc.
Sorry if this is a rant.
Any comments welcome.
Dale

You're not dissing me, as I didn't create the system or these proposals (nor am I connected with KBC, at least not in any way they would want me to be).

Planning is an emotive subject that folk see in terms of 'winners' and 'losers', so someone is always going to get upset. But, hey, you've clearly made your mind up so carry on...