ANGRY! PAS issues:2002 Mini One
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My daughter fell in love with a Mini (no surprise there,) 18 months ago.
Progressively the PAS got more noisey, but her boyfriends and mates Mini Coopers did the same, just not quite so load, so I thought it was normal for this model. It's a 'BMW' after all, so must be OK....even at 60K miles.
The steering failed last friday in the middle of busy Walsall, just stopped working. She called the RAC who did a great job.
He started the car (40 mins for rescue to arrive) and all worked! He followed her to her nearby destination to make sure she got there OK (impressive)
It is still working, and as noisey as before.
Seems from Google etc this is a common problem, and Dad has just paid £308 for a new ZF unit to be delivered tomorrow for me to fit. A friend at her work has had this happen twice.
Not very good!
This is a real safety critical issue. Have BMW got their heads in the sand?
Progressively the PAS got more noisey, but her boyfriends and mates Mini Coopers did the same, just not quite so load, so I thought it was normal for this model. It's a 'BMW' after all, so must be OK....even at 60K miles.
The steering failed last friday in the middle of busy Walsall, just stopped working. She called the RAC who did a great job.
He started the car (40 mins for rescue to arrive) and all worked! He followed her to her nearby destination to make sure she got there OK (impressive)
It is still working, and as noisey as before.
Seems from Google etc this is a common problem, and Dad has just paid £308 for a new ZF unit to be delivered tomorrow for me to fit. A friend at her work has had this happen twice.
Not very good!
This is a real safety critical issue. Have BMW got their heads in the sand?
Perhaps the oddes part is the pump stopping, then after a while with everything turned off, the pump was back to normal (hissing etc) when the RAC man re-started the car.
A bad electrical connection would explain the sudden loss/restoration but not the hissing.
The fluid level is perfect.
Anyway, the pump arrives tomorrow. I hate the idea of my daughter driving the car with the potential for another episode.
Next I suppose will be the fluid is something 'special' and not some of Halford's best (?).
A bad electrical connection would explain the sudden loss/restoration but not the hissing.
The fluid level is perfect.
Anyway, the pump arrives tomorrow. I hate the idea of my daughter driving the car with the potential for another episode.
Next I suppose will be the fluid is something 'special' and not some of Halford's best (?).
DanGT said:
The diffrence of having power stiring and none is a lot. If you lose it suddenly going round a corner the wheel will be pulled out of you hands (had it happend).
True and I wouldn't expect a girl to be able to cope on tarmac without it on a car that is meant to have it, speaking from exp my GTI 306 had no PAS it was hard to park on tarmac, and there were times that I had to put in an effort and I am a big enough bloke.My daughter is a slip of a 23 year old, and it failed going round a corner, and the steering was pulled out of her light grip.
She and the car stopped undamaged, but next time?
When you tell others about this lots say it has happened to them, and one twice!
The new ZF unit arrived today (£308) and it is truely HUGE. What a crazy size for what it does. My Impreza had a belt drive system, but the pump part was 1/2 the size of this one.
It never went wrong, wifes Yaris has never gone wrong @ 71K miles etc.
I expected a lot better car than this Mini from BMW.
Had siezed rear calipers ('they all do this Sir')and several other things, inc an orchestra of rattles.
Poor fuel consumption and poor accelleration too.
About time she bought a good MX5!
Wish me luck under there tonight on the drive way.
By the way, are these car supposed to be silent when steering? I suspect there should be some light wirrring sounds on lock?
She and the car stopped undamaged, but next time?
When you tell others about this lots say it has happened to them, and one twice!
The new ZF unit arrived today (£308) and it is truely HUGE. What a crazy size for what it does. My Impreza had a belt drive system, but the pump part was 1/2 the size of this one.
It never went wrong, wifes Yaris has never gone wrong @ 71K miles etc.
I expected a lot better car than this Mini from BMW.
Had siezed rear calipers ('they all do this Sir')and several other things, inc an orchestra of rattles.
Poor fuel consumption and poor accelleration too.
About time she bought a good MX5!
Wish me luck under there tonight on the drive way.
By the way, are these car supposed to be silent when steering? I suspect there should be some light wirrring sounds on lock?
Edited by 911hillclimber on Tuesday 11th November 18:41
t. 911hillclimber said:
I suspect there should be some light wirrring sounds on lock?
Yes, very distinct whine on full lock. Stangely I have enjoyed 106,000 utterly trouble-free miles in my former '04 (pre-facelift) MINI One. Thing wouldn't put as much as a wheel wrong. Maybe I should count my blessings.
Just back from my test drive after a 'tight' working changing the huge pump on the Mini. The steering is now church mouse quiet!
Amazing difference. The fluid bled really quickly, just one lock-to-lock action and all is well. Weight of the steering good and steering very very sharp as it should be.
There are a few things to watch for on the job, and the 2 rear bolts that the Haynes manual shows are hidden!
Took a dissapointing 2 1/4 hours to do, but it is my first time under the Mini front. Been to the back to do the calipers. Took 30 mins to jack the thing up as the manual assumes you almost have a 4 post lift.
(Then there was the water pool in the boot from the rear high level brake light...)
Are these cars German or something else? (or just full of adventures?)
My daughter has been on Auto Trader weighing up the options.
Still: maybe this work will be a selling point!
Amazing difference. The fluid bled really quickly, just one lock-to-lock action and all is well. Weight of the steering good and steering very very sharp as it should be.
There are a few things to watch for on the job, and the 2 rear bolts that the Haynes manual shows are hidden!
Took a dissapointing 2 1/4 hours to do, but it is my first time under the Mini front. Been to the back to do the calipers. Took 30 mins to jack the thing up as the manual assumes you almost have a 4 post lift.
(Then there was the water pool in the boot from the rear high level brake light...)
Are these cars German or something else? (or just full of adventures?)
My daughter has been on Auto Trader weighing up the options.
Still: maybe this work will be a selling point!
Edited by 911hillclimber on Tuesday 11th November 22:00
Thanks! My daughter thinks it's good too! (what Dads are for?)
The fluid that draind when I cracked the pipes was far from fresh looking, infact it was dark and contaminated by and large, I'll open up the dead pump I think and have a tinker inside. Some say the pumps are un-servicable (non rebuildable) yet on ebay there are some for sale cheap (£125) rebuilt.
What is true I wonder.
The fluid that draind when I cracked the pipes was far from fresh looking, infact it was dark and contaminated by and large, I'll open up the dead pump I think and have a tinker inside. Some say the pumps are un-servicable (non rebuildable) yet on ebay there are some for sale cheap (£125) rebuilt.
What is true I wonder.
They do generally make quite a loud buzzing sound and will normally go on for quite a long time like that.
But yes they are a pain, and no they are not german cars. They are built in britain, and let's face it are pretty much british cars.
This is a trap a lot of people fall into, thinking they are buying into BMW quality - but in fact you are not.
They are quirky cars, but can be good fun at the same time.
But yes they are a pain, and no they are not german cars. They are built in britain, and let's face it are pretty much british cars.
This is a trap a lot of people fall into, thinking they are buying into BMW quality - but in fact you are not.
They are quirky cars, but can be good fun at the same time.
sjrainsford said:
They do generally make quite a loud buzzing sound and will normally go on for quite a long time like that.
But yes they are a pain, and no they are not german cars. They are built in britain, and let's face it are pretty much british cars.
This is a trap a lot of people fall into, thinking they are buying into BMW quality - but in fact you are not.
They are quirky cars, but can be good fun at the same time.
Post facelift cars share a lot more of the BMW tech than the old ones do.But yes they are a pain, and no they are not german cars. They are built in britain, and let's face it are pretty much british cars.
This is a trap a lot of people fall into, thinking they are buying into BMW quality - but in fact you are not.
They are quirky cars, but can be good fun at the same time.
Daughter's Mini is still 'hiss-free' after the few weeks since replacement.
Does anyone buy core pumps at all? Seems a waste to take it down to the tip!
Next job I think is replacing the very noisey drivers door check strap which creeks and cracks despite lots of WD40 and silicon spray and even grease.
I bet they are a sod to change too!
Does anyone buy core pumps at all? Seems a waste to take it down to the tip!
Next job I think is replacing the very noisey drivers door check strap which creeks and cracks despite lots of WD40 and silicon spray and even grease.
I bet they are a sod to change too!
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