Cooper S Works and Cooper S values

Cooper S Works and Cooper S values

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535d

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157 posts

226 months

Saturday 28th January 2006
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It is well known that these cars have very good residuals at present.
I have seen dealers asking £26,000 for a used one, which admittedly is pretty silly.

I am just wondering two things.

Will values of the existing car fall sharply when the much better 1.6 turbo motor starts getting used, as it by all accounts is way more up to date than the current dated 1.6 supercharged unit?

As an aside, why did they not make it a 1.8 or 2.0, if they were going to the trouble of such a big change with the Mini Cooper S?

Marki

15,763 posts

277 months

Saturday 28th January 2006
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Doe's this mean i will soon have a "classic" MINI

>> Edited by Marki on Saturday 28th January 15:03

trackdemon

12,317 posts

268 months

Saturday 28th January 2006
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Not convinced vaules will be hit much, if at all. There is a thriving market for them in all guises currently anyway. Also there's no guarantee that the turbo motor will be any bettr than the supercharged motor - both have there plus's and minus's.
The updated MINI is actually dropping some of the expensive-to-engineer parts of the original such as the multi link suspension, clamshell bonnet and some of the funky switchgear so it may be that people prefer the original.......

annodomini2

6,912 posts

258 months

Saturday 28th January 2006
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The new motors less powerful too 143bhp, compared to 163 for the current engine.

535d

Original Poster:

157 posts

226 months

Saturday 28th January 2006
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Cooper S will be 170bhp the report says.

They also said that the current engine is very low-tech, the new engine a lot more modern.

trackdemon

12,317 posts

268 months

Sunday 29th January 2006
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BTW, current engine was uprated to 170bhp a while back....

baskey

14,291 posts

233 months

Sunday 29th January 2006
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i'd have thought it will knock values but not by as much as if, say, a golf or focus were replaced...

i will probably be wrong but i can foresee the new 143bhp cooper getting a lot closer to the price of the current coopers and the new cooperS (which i thought i had seen was going to be 175bhp so there's another number to add to the confusion) will be correspondingly more expensive....

i bought my (170hp!) coopers in the full knowledge that at least sometime next year the turbo was coming out - but i actually wanted the gnarly supercharged lump and i reckon (some) people will continue to want that engine even if it is (inevitably) technically inferior to the turbo.

oh and finally it appears the turbo will be a lot more of a 'facelift' than replacement model than was orignally reported - when the proper 'replacement' is released i think is when the values will finally lower to the levels of equivalent models. has anyone seen the cr4p residuals they quote in 'test drive' (- dentists) something like eight and a half grand for a 3 year old cooperS - if soemone would like to show me the person selling them that cheap i'll buy a second one this afternoon...!

Marki

15,763 posts

277 months

Sunday 29th January 2006
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baskey said:
has anyone seen the cr4p residuals they quote in 'test drive' (- dentists) something like eight and a half grand for a 3 year old cooperS - if soemone would like to show me the person selling them that cheap i'll buy a second one this afternoon...!



Is that what they are quoting

love machine

7,609 posts

242 months

Sunday 29th January 2006
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Too much power to the front IMO allready, why don't they just make it a proper Bimmer and make it RWD? It would handle so much better.

I will be sad to see the back of cheap superchargers.

Marki

15,763 posts

277 months

Sunday 29th January 2006
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love machine said:
Too much power to the front IMO allready, why don't they just make it a proper Bimmer and make it RWD? It would handle so much better.

I will be sad to see the back of cheap superchargers.


535d

Original Poster:

157 posts

226 months

Sunday 29th January 2006
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You obviously can have too much power going to the front, which causes problems, but would it still be a Mini if you made it rwd?

trackdemon

12,317 posts

268 months

Monday 30th January 2006
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Disagree that there is 'too much power' going to the front currently - only ever really a problem in very slippery conditions under lateral load - RWD wouldn't intrinsically fix this. Current handling balance is perfect blend of fun and chuckability.

sliller

59 posts

265 months

Monday 30th January 2006
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Once all the lease cars start coming onto the open market the price will enevitably suffer, MINI's have been the staple diet of a lot of reps since they came out. The three year lease/finance etc agreements are now ending. I know someone who has just been offered £6K for a 3 year old Cooper on trade in, (she still owes £7300 on it!!).
I think waiting a couple of months will prove vauable if you want to pick up a 'bargain', especially with the new model round the corner.

Now, how much can I get a Cooper S for??
and add a works kit??.

Tell you in the summer!!!.

baskey

14,291 posts

233 months

Tuesday 31st January 2006
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If you're approaching it from a bargain/budget point of view i wouldn't fit a works kit @ almost £4k - it'd get it down to BBR...

Marki

15,763 posts

277 months

Tuesday 31st January 2006
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baskey said:
If you're approaching it from a bargain/budget point of view i wouldn't fit a works kit @ almost £4k - it'd get it down to BBR...


trackdemon

12,317 posts

268 months

Wednesday 1st February 2006
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Snap. Went for mild 185bhp upgrade.

Marki

15,763 posts

277 months

Wednesday 1st February 2006
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trackdemon said:
Snap. Went for mild 185bhp upgrade.


Well i have not got around to it yet but i am looking at options