Which 1 series has the Mini Cooper S engine

[paultownsend]

As above. Which 1 series has the F56 Mini Cooper S 2.0 engine. She currently has a R56 MCS which she loves but we may soon be needing something with 5 doors. The F56 MCS is what I want her to have, but she has always wanted a 1. However she does like driving something a little special so are currently looking M135i’s. But for a comparison I want to see what the 4 pot 1’s are selling for.

Cheers!

[Smuler]

The Cooper S I had a loan of was a sub 7 seconds hot hatch , so can only compare with a 125i petrol. The 120i and below being slow inmho.

Never driven one. But found the Minis far more fun than any other 1 series below the M Lites (M135i etc) which were much faster than the Cooper S and edged it on fun cos they are RWD.

[paultownsend]

Is the F56 mini based on the 1 series platform? I was just assuming.

[BFleming]

paultownsend said:

Is the F56 mini based on the 1 series platform? I was just assuming.

No, they're completely different platforms.
Anyhow, in response to your original question, the B48 engine from your F56 Cooper S is used in various BMW models in different states of tune. Your Cooper S will be the 189bhp version; the 120i (from 2016) has 181bhp, 125i has 221bhp, the 225i has 228bhp, the 230i has 248bhp, and finally the new 1 series will also feature the B48 engine in the 135i, developing 302bhp.

Edited by BFleming on Sunday 14th July 17:39

[cerb4.5lee]

The B48 engine was one of the biggest reasons why I went for my F56 Cooper S. It is easily tuned(mine is still standard though) and if BMW are happy to put in the 5 and 6 series then it must be well enough regarded by them.

I do like the idea of a 230i too.

[Touring442]

The F20 116i has a derivative of the awful N13 PSA 'Prince' engine used in the R56 Mini and cars like the F30 316i. It's to be avoided at all costs, a very poor engine. It has lots of issues - piston ring wear, cam chain wear, brake vac pumps seizing and snapping the cam chain (rare, but....), rattly turbo heat shields and a coolant leak from a plastic coolant elbow that cannot be fixed with the engine fitted AND the gearbox attached - it's a 3-4 hour gearbox off job to repair. They also coke up the inlet port and need cleaning out by 50k. The N13 Prince engine has direct injection and a troublesome HPFP and they're just a horrible, horrible engine. I can still hear the sound of one coming, like an air raid siren - RUN!!

The R56 Cooper S engine is also direct injection and equally a bag of sh*t. It's different in many ways but still thoroughly nasty. All the above faults apply. I had the misfortune of a 207GTi with the same engine to try and sort out. Yeeuuuk.

[fatboy b]

Smuler said:

The Cooper S I had a loan of was a sub 7 seconds hot hatch , so can only compare with a 125i petrol. The 120i and below being slow inmho.

Never driven one. But found the Minis far more fun than any other 1 series below the M Lites (M135i etc) which were much faster than the Cooper S and edged it on fun cos they are RWD.

I love my Cooper S. It’s often a hard decision whether it’s the Mini or the XFR-S I take out. Both equally fun in very different ways.

[BFleming]

Touring442 said:

The F20 116i has a derivative of the awful N13 PSA 'Prince' engine used in the R56 Mini and cars like the F30 316i. It's to be avoided at all costs, a very poor engine. It has lots of issues - piston ring wear, cam chain wear, brake vac pumps seizing and snapping the cam chain (rare, but....), rattly turbo heat shields and a coolant leak from a plastic coolant elbow that cannot be fixed with the engine fitted AND the gearbox attached - it's a 3-4 hour gearbox off job to repair. They also coke up the inlet port and need cleaning out by 50k. The N13 Prince engine has direct injection and a troublesome HPFP and they're just a horrible, horrible engine. I can still hear the sound of one coming, like an air raid siren - RUN!!

The R56 Cooper S engine is also direct injection and equally a bag of sh*t. It's different in many ways but still thoroughly nasty. All the above faults apply. I had the misfortune of a 207GTi with the same engine to try and sort out. Yeeuuuk.

I have the F20 with the N13B16 engine, and it has just had a timing chain at 66,000 miles. The huge turbo heat shield is still loose, although compared to the noise of the timing chain, I'll cope for a while yet. I wish I'd bought the 118d, complete with the N47 engine. Troublesome my arse - my previous 2010 320d ed is now on 155,000 miles, and my current 2013 525d (2.0 N47, not 3.0 - for the uninitiated) is now on 133,000 miles. Both on original chains. Both faultless.

I did have the N47 also in my 2012 Cooper SD, which lunched its clutch at 45,000 miles. More of a Mini misadventure that.

[paultownsend]

Thanks all. The current R56 MCS has the N18 engine. It sounds like a bag of spanners but drives very well. Did not realise that the 116i 1 and 3 series used the engine.

Think we are going to go for a 5 door F56 MCS with the 2.0 B48.

[Touring442]

The B48 looks like a much better effort. It has the timing chain at the flywheel end and is similar in design to the B47 diesel, clearly machined on the same equipment. It's fitted too the 520i/530i and the new 320i/330i, a really nice engine.