Discussion
steve-5snwi said:
Anyone running uprated fluid in their Mini ? Mines due for change very soon and i've got the HEL lines to put on so thought I might as well uprate the fluid at the same time.
Whats the current recommend fluid ?
I've used ATE Super Blue for a while and been happy with it, it's now changed to ATE Typ 200. Motul RBF600 also gets a good name but I've no experience of itWhats the current recommend fluid ?
thebraketester said:
Use OEM fluid unless you have a specific reason to use/warrant using a higher performance fluid.
potentially on the track ... although i said that 4 years ago and still haven't been. Who makes the OEM stuff ? although its easy to get something from ECP, i think we are using Pagid fluid at work at the minute ... I use RBF600 in my R53, only after a lap and a half on the Nordschleife have I ever noticed the brake pedal start to go long (I'm running R56 S calipers with DS2500 pads up front and Yellowstuff on the back). Very impressive performance, I've also used it before in our old Ford Puma track car, and we never had an issue with fade, even around Spa.
Only thing is you need to change it once a year, you definitely notice a difference in braking performance after much more than a year.
Only thing is you need to change it once a year, you definitely notice a difference in braking performance after much more than a year.
GiveItSomeWellie said:
I use RBF600 in my R53, only after a lap and a half on the Nordschleife have I ever noticed the brake pedal start to go long
Only thing is you need to change it once a year, you definitely notice a difference in braking performance after much more than a year.
Those comments aren't very encouraging.Only thing is you need to change it once a year, you definitely notice a difference in braking performance after much more than a year.
The 'Ring isn't tough on brakes due to the long distances between heavy braking zones.
Drop off in performance after only a year isn't good either.
All other things being equal (which I am sure they aren't) 20+ laps of Cadwell park with no drop off in performance and there are 3 very heavy braking zones & several other braking zones in just over 2 miles is MUCH heavier on brakes.
Also, although I always change the Type 200 every year, I have never noticed a change in performance.
I agree, a lap and a half? But that is with R56S which although bigger aren't brilliant. People are having to mess with different compounds and still stand on the pedal, and yellowstuff? Not for me, but a lot of people like them. I'd rather use genuine pads, people underestimate them. It's still a single piston sliding caliper, not the most robust is it really.
If I only got a lap and a half before my brakes started to suffer I'd be doing something to address it if possible.
Having said all that I disagree that the ring isn't hard on brakes. It's extremely hard on them. Any advice I gave anybody that went was to make sure in terms of car reliability (or bike) that the brakes were up to it. I have had brake fade there, in my Rover Mini Cooper 35SE of all things, (it had to be done haha) so I understand why it's important. You don't know what brake fade is until your doing over 100 mph in a 10 foot Mini with standard trim..... and brakes haha. 6 laps was enough madness. Poor little car. It still has those brakes in it, I pushed it out of the garage it's been stored in since, only the other week, and bits of the pad material fell out!! No surprise really, I know it isn't a fair comparison to anything here, it just made me think of it.
Anyway.............
A late Mini, should stand several laps back to back in my opinion. I will be going back at some time and like to think I've built this car for it, maybe some people are heavy on the brakes, I know I can be, but my honest opinion, is over there brakes matter! There's no run off to speak of, and it's a fast place.
If I only got a lap and a half before my brakes started to suffer I'd be doing something to address it if possible.
Having said all that I disagree that the ring isn't hard on brakes. It's extremely hard on them. Any advice I gave anybody that went was to make sure in terms of car reliability (or bike) that the brakes were up to it. I have had brake fade there, in my Rover Mini Cooper 35SE of all things, (it had to be done haha) so I understand why it's important. You don't know what brake fade is until your doing over 100 mph in a 10 foot Mini with standard trim..... and brakes haha. 6 laps was enough madness. Poor little car. It still has those brakes in it, I pushed it out of the garage it's been stored in since, only the other week, and bits of the pad material fell out!! No surprise really, I know it isn't a fair comparison to anything here, it just made me think of it.
Anyway.............
A late Mini, should stand several laps back to back in my opinion. I will be going back at some time and like to think I've built this car for it, maybe some people are heavy on the brakes, I know I can be, but my honest opinion, is over there brakes matter! There's no run off to speak of, and it's a fast place.
CarsOrBikes said:
Having said all that I disagree that the ring isn't hard on brakes. It's extremely hard on them. Any advice I gave anybody that went was to make sure in terms of car reliability (or bike) that the brakes were up to it. I have had brake fade there, in my Rover Mini Cooper 35SE of all things, (it had to be done haha) so I understand why it's important. You don't know what brake fade is until your doing over 100 mph in a 10 foot Mini with standard trim..... and brakes haha. 6 laps was enough madness.
Anyway.............
A late Mini, should stand several laps back to back in my opinion. I will be going back at some time and like to think I've built this car for it, maybe some people are heavy on the brakes, I know I can be, but my honest opinion, is over there brakes matter! There's no run off to speak of, and it's a fast place.
Whilst I totally 100% agree that brakes need to be 100% when on any track and especially on the 'Ring that is true, the 'Ring has long straights/fast sections to allow brakes to cool down between heavy braking zones.Anyway.............
A late Mini, should stand several laps back to back in my opinion. I will be going back at some time and like to think I've built this car for it, maybe some people are heavy on the brakes, I know I can be, but my honest opinion, is over there brakes matter! There's no run off to speak of, and it's a fast place.
There is one section that springs to mind where you are completely flat out without braking for nearly 3km, that is virtually the length of a full lap at Blyton Park that has 5 heavy braking zones/lap.
That is why the 'Ring is not heavy on brakes.
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