Coolant loss.

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Balmoral Green

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41,770 posts

255 months

Sunday 23rd January 2011
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I've got a bad feeling about this frown

Checked the levels last Sunday, all good.

Checked the levels this Sunday, and they appeared to be all good. I didn't check the coolant level too thoroughly, but there was coolant in the expansion bottle.

Been out today, and the temp gauge is reading a little higher than is usual, but not alarmingly so, but I couldn't get any heat into the cabin with the heater full on. I got to my destination, and the expansion tank is empty. It took a couple of litres to top it up to the marker, and this just disappeared straight away. So I left it whilst I had lunch, and topped it back up to the marker level later, which took about a litre. So it's drank about 3 litres.

Drove home and it's all back to normal, the temp gauge is holding the same level it's always done for the last 11 years, and the heater is now working normally too.

Checked the coolant level as soon as I got home, and it was OK, but after being left about ten minutes, the expansion tank is dry again.

It doesn't appear to have a coolant leak, the garage floor is fine. But it's lost coolant somewhere, and appears to have had an air lock as a result?

Dodgy Thermostat? Water Pump? or, frown Head Gaskets?

No cross contamination of oil/water is apparent, and the car drives fine.

hdiam1950

89 posts

197 months

Monday 24th January 2011
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sounds like head gaskets. not good news but more common than you think,and you must do both sides.could be £4-5000. dont worry,i have suffered several times with this over the years. Harry.

ecurie

388 posts

209 months

Monday 24th January 2011
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Both sides of the engine bock have 4 very small holes. They can leak oil (quite common) or coolant when it passes the cylinder liners.
If the coolant escapes through these holes, it might not be the end of the world and you might still travel for years without trouble.

However, as you seem to be loosing a lot of coolant in a short period of time I have to agree and suspect head gasket trouble.

Good luck.

Benoit

Balmoral Green

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255 months

Monday 24th January 2011
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Thanks guys.

It ain't leaking, and no buggers pinching it, so the waters going somewhere!

I am getting used to the idea that it is the Head Gaskets, but it helped to at least post about it and come to terms with it. I don't think I will need counselling, but the wife will give me grief frown

Let's hope I can get it down to Phantom Motors without too much drama, AA on standby.

MarsellusWallace

1,180 posts

208 months

Monday 24th January 2011
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My Arnage was using quite a bit of coolant when I bought it and I immediately thought the worst but it turned out to be the coolant filler cap.2000 miles done since and no further problems.

Scotty2

1,322 posts

273 months

Tuesday 25th January 2011
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Try "Barrs Leaks".

Collegue used in in his race car (as did others) as it will not cure a blown gasket but may cure a weep or porosity. I use it in my cars as a preventitive and did indeed repair a volvo by adding it. At the price it has to be worth a try....

Blackpool Rocker

381 posts

229 months

Tuesday 25th January 2011
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....Sorry, I am going along the line for head gaskets. It has been known to be a issue.

jhoneyball

1,773 posts

283 months

Friday 28th January 2011
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how many miles?

Balmoral Green

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41,770 posts

255 months

Friday 28th January 2011
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107,000

(60,000 of those driven hard by me biggrin)

jhoneyball

1,773 posts

283 months

Sunday 30th January 2011
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gaskets

be prepared for a large bill. Mine was about 6k or so from those lovely chaps at crondall


Balmoral Green

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Sunday 30th January 2011
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Will let you know. I dropped the car with them yesterday afternoon. Levels checked before I set off and still no cross contamination of the oil & water. A 170 mile run taking it steady (60-65mph) with good oil pressure and normal engine temperature. The car drives as though there's nothing wrong with it confused

jhoneyball

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283 months

Monday 31st January 2011
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must get mine down there soon for a service!

ecurie

388 posts

209 months

Wednesday 9th February 2011
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jhoneyball said:
gaskets

be prepared for a large bill. Mine was about 6k or so from those lovely chaps at crondall
I recently had the A-bank exhaust valves and valve stems replaced, together with a new headgasket by my local classic car specialist. The whole operation did only cost about 1.800 pounds, so the bill might still be reasonable.


Balmoral Green

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41,770 posts

255 months

Thursday 10th February 2011
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bouncebouncebounce

It wasn't the head gaskets! party

It was the (original) water pump, a bit cream crackered.

Good news, so even with my little list of additional fettling to be done, not a financial disaster afterall.

andyh68

1,368 posts

180 months

Thursday 10th February 2011
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Phew - good news! smile

MarsellusWallace

1,180 posts

208 months

Thursday 10th February 2011
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When I had my Shadow a few years back the waterpump went and my local garage replaced it including labour for just over £100

jhoneyball

1,773 posts

283 months

Saturday 12th February 2011
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good news!

Balmoral Green

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41,770 posts

255 months

Friday 25th February 2011
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Got my boy back today cloud9

Rebuilt water pump, rocker cover gaskets, a tune up, a bit of work on the brakes, new Primary door seals and a set of secondary door seals too (I can't shut the bloody doors now! hehe), plus various other bits of fettling.

Had a leisurely 6 hour drive home avoiding all motorways and main routes, just meandering gently North through the middle of the country on back roads.

It's all good smile

Stumbler

6 posts

165 months

Monday 28th February 2011
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Glad to hear that there are other (cheaper) things that can cause coolant loss.

I would be very interested to know if there was much difference in wind noise after you had the new door seals? Did you have the whole car done, or just the driver's door etc? Mine are old and whilst I don't think that much of the noise in the cabin is door wind noise, it would be nice to know if they made a difference in that respect.

Regards

Stumbler

Balmoral Green

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Monday 28th February 2011
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Stumbler said:
I would be very interested to know if there was much difference in wind noise after you had the new door seals?
Not much actually.

The old ones were well & truly shot, the rubber had perished and they were really squashed thin. I found some spongy rubber extrusion at work, and cut a slit in each door seal, lubricated with washing up liquid and stuffed this spongy stuff inside, to fill out the old seals. It was a bit of a bodge as a temp fix, but it did give a slight improvement. I also had the window frames fully adjusted to lean in at the top, there are bolts at the bottom of the doors to adjust the frames.

I had high expectations of the new seals, as they are huge great thick things compared to the originals, and then secondary seals too, I thought it would be much quieter. But not really, not in relation to the cost anyway.

I guess the main thing is, it has all the aerodynamics of a brick, and the problem is the wind around the 'A' pillars and the mirrors, rather than the actual seals.

It is fine up to the ton though, and beyond that, I'm focusing on other things rather than wind noise anyway.