looking to buy this car
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hi wounder if any one can help me with history of this car ,
a black 2005 contenental reg M44Jke.
the owner called roman says it has two problems
1 a sensor in the front shock is faulty and give a dash warning light but works ok just a sesor fault.
2 the air con needs regassing ,is the air con all the time in bentleys or is he trying to pull the wool over my eyes
car for sale at 27000
any help would be great
a black 2005 contenental reg M44Jke.
the owner called roman says it has two problems
1 a sensor in the front shock is faulty and give a dash warning light but works ok just a sesor fault.
2 the air con needs regassing ,is the air con all the time in bentleys or is he trying to pull the wool over my eyes
car for sale at 27000
any help would be great
tonys said:
My initial thought is that if it 'just needs a sensor and re-gassing', why hasn't the seller done it.
This is my thought too - I would approach the car with a lot of skepticism. If you are selling a car like this, if these jobs are simple, you would do them - surely?On the air con front, if it needs re-gassing, it could indicate a leak which could be extremely expensive to fix. The aircon is an integral part of the climate control system and will run most of the time regardless of the weather. Or it could be "re-gassing" is code for "not working" - in otherwords, it could be full of gas and the compressor is not engaging. This could indicate a whole host of faults from bust compressor etc.
I would say it is definitely worth having a professional inspection and make sure the price reflects the true condition of the car - many of them have been run on a shoestring and are full of faults.
AirCon is easy to fix for £10 and 5 minutes of time, if he hasn't done it then it could be something common like the flap thing. I forget the exact part#, yet they take apart the dash to replace it so expect £1200 to fix.
As for sensor on the shock, that's a new one to me.
It's a Bentley, so naturally expect it to £1000 you at a time at a minimum for each fix.
BTW, the 2005 were notorious for many problems due to growing pains, so I'd avoid it unless she is in excellent condition for around £25,000 to maybe £30,000 max. Expect to add another £5000 sorting her out and another £1500 a year for upkeep.
As for sensor on the shock, that's a new one to me.
It's a Bentley, so naturally expect it to £1000 you at a time at a minimum for each fix.
BTW, the 2005 were notorious for many problems due to growing pains, so I'd avoid it unless she is in excellent condition for around £25,000 to maybe £30,000 max. Expect to add another £5000 sorting her out and another £1500 a year for upkeep.
Edited by enjoythemusic on Monday 1st August 19:42
dkatwa said:
Look for a newer car advertised privately for, say, £33k to £35k and offer £27k cash?
Really? So that would likely be an offer of less than the seller could get for the car in the trade and would mean wasting the seller and the OP's time and result in the door being slammed in the OP's face. Silly advice. Not silly at all as asking and selling price are different in many transactions on old, highly troubling cars such as the Bentley. Agree, start at 15% less than asking and feel free to walk away from the deal. Don't be surprised if the used car salesperson calls you back to make a deal.
enjoythemusic said:
Not silly at all as asking and selling price are different in many transactions on old, highly troubling cars such as the Bentley. Agree, start at 15% less than asking and feel free to walk away from the deal. Don't be surprised if the used car salesperson calls you back to make a deal.
If you bothered to read the post I was referring to then you would see he was suggesting the OP find one for sale privately so why would a car salesman be calling him? Assuming that a privately advertised one is realistically priced under one being offered as a trade sale then to expect to get £6/8000 knocked off isn't going to happen unless it's a dog as the seller would have already taken a trade offer, so as I said silly advice. [quote=buyer&seller]
No need to be insulting. dkatwa said:
Look for a newer car advertised privately for, say, £33k to £35k and offer £27k cash?
Really? So that would likely be an offer of less than the seller could get for the car in the trade and would mean wasting the seller and the OP's time and result in the door being slammed in the OP's face. Silly advice. I did, and agree with the post of finding a newer model too.
As for expecting more to be taken off, perhaps things work differently on your side of the pond? Here in the States the "asking" price is top price and buyers can offer less. I know a gentleman who purchased a used Corvette that a private seller was asking $52,000 and he paid $45,000. So perhaps bargaining for price is not something done in the UK? A shame really if that is true. If the OP is wise, he will wait and not rush out to buy a Bentley. Instead, look around, seek a great example and bargain the price.
As for trade price, maybe the owner is in need of cash and not trade? Or perhaps i did misunderstand and that the used car owner was offered a cash deal elsewhere and so, agreed, offering less is silly.
As for the original car described within the fist post, i'd run away from that one. Generally, am of the thinking that Bentley did not sort some of the major problems with these cars until 2008. Even then, you still have major convertible top problems with the GTC and other bits (including on the GT) that can be troublesome.
As for expecting more to be taken off, perhaps things work differently on your side of the pond? Here in the States the "asking" price is top price and buyers can offer less. I know a gentleman who purchased a used Corvette that a private seller was asking $52,000 and he paid $45,000. So perhaps bargaining for price is not something done in the UK? A shame really if that is true. If the OP is wise, he will wait and not rush out to buy a Bentley. Instead, look around, seek a great example and bargain the price.
As for trade price, maybe the owner is in need of cash and not trade? Or perhaps i did misunderstand and that the used car owner was offered a cash deal elsewhere and so, agreed, offering less is silly.
As for the original car described within the fist post, i'd run away from that one. Generally, am of the thinking that Bentley did not sort some of the major problems with these cars until 2008. Even then, you still have major convertible top problems with the GTC and other bits (including on the GT) that can be troublesome.
Edited by enjoythemusic on Friday 5th August 14:20
People are well versed in negotiating when buying a new or used car in the UK, especially at this level, but the numbers being spoken here simply don't stack up.
Assuming the hypothetical car at £35000 is a GOOD car and sensibly priced behind a similar one for sale at a dealer, which would be say £38000/40000, to make it attractive enough to get interest as a private sale then the trade value is likely to be in the region of £30000/32000, which the seller has probably already been offered by Webuyanycar.com, the dealer that sold him the car, in P/X or by one of the numerous dealers up and down the country who are happy to handle this sort of car. So to be offering £27000 simply isn't going to be accepted as the seller will already be possession of a better bid but trying to get more, also they will have had interest from other traders who would have seen the car advertised as this is how many traders source part of their stock.
Of course there is always the small possibility that you may find a perfect car owned by a mug who has no real idea what his/her car is really worth and is prepared to take the first low ball offer that comes their way, but in my 25+ years experience of selling and buying Rolls-Royce & Bentley cars it will take an awful lot of looking to find him/her and you'll be very fortunate to get there first, but good luck.
Assuming the hypothetical car at £35000 is a GOOD car and sensibly priced behind a similar one for sale at a dealer, which would be say £38000/40000, to make it attractive enough to get interest as a private sale then the trade value is likely to be in the region of £30000/32000, which the seller has probably already been offered by Webuyanycar.com, the dealer that sold him the car, in P/X or by one of the numerous dealers up and down the country who are happy to handle this sort of car. So to be offering £27000 simply isn't going to be accepted as the seller will already be possession of a better bid but trying to get more, also they will have had interest from other traders who would have seen the car advertised as this is how many traders source part of their stock.
Of course there is always the small possibility that you may find a perfect car owned by a mug who has no real idea what his/her car is really worth and is prepared to take the first low ball offer that comes their way, but in my 25+ years experience of selling and buying Rolls-Royce & Bentley cars it will take an awful lot of looking to find him/her and you'll be very fortunate to get there first, but good luck.
[quote=buyer&seller]People are well versed in negotiating when buying a new or used car in the UK, especially at this level, but the numbers being spoken here simply don't stack up.
Assuming the hypothetical car at £35000 is a GOOD car and sensibly priced behind a similar one for sale at a dealer, which would be say £38000/40000, to make it attractive enough to get interest as a private sale then the trade value is likely to be in the region of £30000/32000, which the seller has probably already been offered by Webuyanycar.com, the dealer that sold him the car, in P/X or by one of the numerous dealers up and down the country who are happy to handle this sort of car. So to be offering £27000 simply isn't going to be accepted as the seller will already be possession of a better bid but trying to get more, also they will have had interest from other traders who would have seen the car advertised as this is how many traders source part of their stock.
Of course there is always the small possibility that you may find a perfect car owned by a mug who has no real idea what his/her car is really worth and is prepared to take the first low ball offer that comes their way, but in my 25+ years experience of selling and buying Rolls-Royce & Bentley cars it will take an awful lot of looking to find him/her and you'll be very fortunate to get there first, but good luck.
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I totally agree - but, in this scenario, there would, in my view, be no harm in making the offer below trade price, provided it is done tactfully and provided you are prepared to increase your offer. Sometimes I would find making it in a "joke" way, but serious at the same time, can get the ball rolling and you can always up your offer - and you might well end up buying at a trade price - you're standing there with the cash, the buyer wants to sell, it's there and now - and many private sellers distrust dealers, even if they have a dealer offering the cash in front of them.
Assuming the hypothetical car at £35000 is a GOOD car and sensibly priced behind a similar one for sale at a dealer, which would be say £38000/40000, to make it attractive enough to get interest as a private sale then the trade value is likely to be in the region of £30000/32000, which the seller has probably already been offered by Webuyanycar.com, the dealer that sold him the car, in P/X or by one of the numerous dealers up and down the country who are happy to handle this sort of car. So to be offering £27000 simply isn't going to be accepted as the seller will already be possession of a better bid but trying to get more, also they will have had interest from other traders who would have seen the car advertised as this is how many traders source part of their stock.
Of course there is always the small possibility that you may find a perfect car owned by a mug who has no real idea what his/her car is really worth and is prepared to take the first low ball offer that comes their way, but in my 25+ years experience of selling and buying Rolls-Royce & Bentley cars it will take an awful lot of looking to find him/her and you'll be very fortunate to get there first, but good luck.
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I totally agree - but, in this scenario, there would, in my view, be no harm in making the offer below trade price, provided it is done tactfully and provided you are prepared to increase your offer. Sometimes I would find making it in a "joke" way, but serious at the same time, can get the ball rolling and you can always up your offer - and you might well end up buying at a trade price - you're standing there with the cash, the buyer wants to sell, it's there and now - and many private sellers distrust dealers, even if they have a dealer offering the cash in front of them.
Edited by matt5791 on Tuesday 9th August 06:57
A lower offer is made more credible by some supporting argument. When I bought my 2002 Arnage T I accepted the asking price in full but insisted on the Hydraulics Service being carried out. This was worth £3-£4000 but also gave the comfort of knowing that a great number of aspects of the car had been looked at. It is important that the service is carried out by a Bentley dealer or a recognised independent. This is not a job for a "Fred in a shed"!
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