Arnage 4.4 or 6.75?
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Given where BMW have taken the twin-turbo V8 for the M5 & M6, you've got to wonder if the unloved Green Label can be tuned to provide Red Label bashing performance - albeit without the latter's titanic response from off-idle.
Surely some ECU tweakery, perhaps slightly larger turbos & improved intercooling would seen a 500-550 bhp Arnage with the refinement of quad cam motor.
The economics probably deter this enhancement given the additional cost would probably see you into a Red Label, but for those who have an interest in the engineering & technology - it would be great to see an M5/M6 spec Green Label.
Tim
Surely some ECU tweakery, perhaps slightly larger turbos & improved intercooling would seen a 500-550 bhp Arnage with the refinement of quad cam motor.
The economics probably deter this enhancement given the additional cost would probably see you into a Red Label, but for those who have an interest in the engineering & technology - it would be great to see an M5/M6 spec Green Label.
Tim
Penguinracer said:
Given where BMW have taken the twin-turbo V8 for the M5 & M6, you've got to wonder if the unloved Green Label can be tuned to provide Red Label bashing performance - albeit without the latter's titanic response from off-idle.
Surely some ECU tweakery, perhaps slightly larger turbos & improved intercooling would seen a 500-550 bhp Arnage with the refinement of quad cam motor.
The economics probably deter this enhancement given the additional cost would probably see you into a Red Label, but for those who have an interest in the engineering & technology - it would be great to see an M5/M6 spec Green Label.
Tim
I understand the transmission is the limiting factor.Surely some ECU tweakery, perhaps slightly larger turbos & improved intercooling would seen a 500-550 bhp Arnage with the refinement of quad cam motor.
The economics probably deter this enhancement given the additional cost would probably see you into a Red Label, but for those who have an interest in the engineering & technology - it would be great to see an M5/M6 spec Green Label.
Tim
I also wonder, is the best Arnage in fact the V12 Seraph?
How is the ride over broken up roads in an Arnage, is it old school Rolls absorbing everything, or more sporting?
Huntsman said:
How is the ride over broken up roads in an Arnage, is it old school Rolls absorbing everything, or more sporting?
My '07 Arnage has a slightly smoother ride than my (old school) '79 T2. Body roll on the Arnage in sport mode is slightly more controlled than the Harvey Bailey T2; in non-sport mode it's probably closer to a standard T2/Silver Shadow (although I've never driven one of those).Cheers,
Jeff.
jeyjey said:
My '07 Arnage has a slightly smoother ride than my (old school) '79 T2. Body roll on the Arnage in sport mode is slightly more controlled than the Harvey Bailey T2; in non-sport mode it's probably closer to a standard T2/Silver Shadow (although I've never driven one of those).
Cheers,
Jeff.
So an Arnage is a very absorbing and comfortable ride?Cheers,
Jeff.
I have an 04/05 Arnage T and love the ride. I have not driven the 4.4L version but from all the research I have done, I decided it had to be the 6.75L version to give the full Crewe experience. The engine just pulls and pulls, almost like a train.
Im used to much firmer suspension (Ferrari, Porsche etc), so to drive the Arnage at some points feels a bit soft. Saying that it suits the car and you dont want to push these cars like a supercar.
Im used to much firmer suspension (Ferrari, Porsche etc), so to drive the Arnage at some points feels a bit soft. Saying that it suits the car and you dont want to push these cars like a supercar.
Great choice- I have had an 07 model for 50,000 miles and love it! Not many people actually seem to use these cars which means there are a several good low mileage ones out there. The main challenge with ownership now is that bentley do not stockpile spares for the hand made elements- so these can be challenging to find- I have needed 2 new doors during my ownership (don't ask) and it seemed to come down to the last one on the shelf! It can be worthwhile to find a good independent at low labour rates for non-routine servicing. Nothing has gone wrong, but warning lights do flash up and need resetting, or the odd sensor replaced. I replaced the sat nav with a touch screen one, and use a parrot for phone/ bluetooth, to keep everything looking original. I don't think I could change it for anything else- the new Mulsanne is longer but has a smaller boot, however, it, too, will slip into value territory fairly soon. Enjoy!
I have a 2002 Arnage T. The ride is excellent although I have had trouble with the automatic ride control, now fixed after replacing the ECU unit and wiring to the affected wheel. Not cheap!!
The throttle control is quite fierce but can be adapted to by driving techniques.
Has anybody driven an Arnage R which seems to be a less aggressive version?
The throttle control is quite fierce but can be adapted to by driving techniques.
Has anybody driven an Arnage R which seems to be a less aggressive version?
WelshBentleyBoy said:
I have a 2002 Arnage T. The ride is excellent although I have had trouble with the automatic ride control, now fixed after replacing the ECU unit and wiring to the affected wheel. Not cheap!!
The throttle control is quite fierce but can be adapted to by driving techniques.
Has anybody driven an Arnage R which seems to be a less aggressive version?
Yes, the Arnage R is rally a nicer all-round blend of performance and comfort, we've had R, R 450, T and final series and the nicest allrounder is the R, not as fierce as the T, better ride and in my opinion very under ratedThe throttle control is quite fierce but can be adapted to by driving techniques.
Has anybody driven an Arnage R which seems to be a less aggressive version?
The Senior Partner at work has had both 4.4 & 6.75 T, now in a Conti GTC V12 Speed, & I drove both Arnage's extensively, well I am his driver!
The 4.4 was a nice drive less crashy , but suspension set ups are different between the two & considerably better on fuel than the T on long runs, annual London to Monaco & back in summer. ( This year on hold after Thursday's events in Nice)
The T was to me a totally different car, you sort of felt the car stood still & reeled in its surroundings! But IMO it was the better car.
I believe that when Bentley/BMW dropped the 6.75 into the car (2000iirc) they changed the entire floor pan to give some extra rear legroom & introduced a LWB variant too.
T also had option of things like Turned Alloy Dash & Door Caps. It had a more bucket style seats & I seem to remember it was only a designated 4 seater too
R did seem to be more the 'Old Man' version & although I never got to drive one I was a passenger a few times as I knew a Chauffeur who did & he always said his boss thought ours was the 'Yobs Edition'
Give me Yob any day!!
On a totally unconnected note we recently had a V8 S Conti GTC & that really is the Yob of Yobs!
I do remember us having the Loan of a Seraph once but I found it more wallowy to drive & The then Mrs Senior Partner said it made her feel sick (Now you know how I felt having to drive you love)
The 4.4 was a nice drive less crashy , but suspension set ups are different between the two & considerably better on fuel than the T on long runs, annual London to Monaco & back in summer. ( This year on hold after Thursday's events in Nice)
The T was to me a totally different car, you sort of felt the car stood still & reeled in its surroundings! But IMO it was the better car.
I believe that when Bentley/BMW dropped the 6.75 into the car (2000iirc) they changed the entire floor pan to give some extra rear legroom & introduced a LWB variant too.
T also had option of things like Turned Alloy Dash & Door Caps. It had a more bucket style seats & I seem to remember it was only a designated 4 seater too
R did seem to be more the 'Old Man' version & although I never got to drive one I was a passenger a few times as I knew a Chauffeur who did & he always said his boss thought ours was the 'Yobs Edition'
Give me Yob any day!!
On a totally unconnected note we recently had a V8 S Conti GTC & that really is the Yob of Yobs!
I do remember us having the Loan of a Seraph once but I found it more wallowy to drive & The then Mrs Senior Partner said it made her feel sick (Now you know how I felt having to drive you love)
I've had two 4.4s and found the ride a little on the firm side; no where near as cosseting as any of the Rolls Royces I've owned. In fact I found it so firm that I asked the garage about converting to Silver Seraph suspension setup but the cost didn't seem worth it. You can stop the dampers going into the firmer mode by tricking the ECU (much like you can in a late Turbo R) but not a great deal more without extensive modification. It has always been a disappointment to me that it hasn't been possible to buy a Bentley with Rolls Royce ride since late 80s but my views may well be in the minority.
EdwardC said:
I've had two 4.4s and found the ride a little on the firm side; no where near as cosseting as any of the Rolls Royces I've owned. In fact I found it so firm that I asked the garage about converting to Silver Seraph suspension setup but the cost didn't seem worth it. You can stop the dampers going into the firmer mode by tricking the ECU (much like you can in a late Turbo R) but not a great deal more without extensive modification. It has always been a disappointment to me that it hasn't been possible to buy a Bentley with Rolls Royce ride since late 80s but my views may well be in the minority.
Thank you. That is very insightful. I suspect, not having been in an Arnage, that you have summed exactly what I would think.Modificata said:
Everyone has preferences. Sometimes I find my Arnage T too soft and wish it was a bit firmer.
Can you not put it into "Sport" and firm it up?RR&B do a mod which will apparently give you complete control.
http://www.rrbgarages.com/innovation-bentley-arnag...
WelshBentleyBoy said:
Can you not put it into "Sport" and firm it up?
RR&B do a mod which will apparently give you complete control.
http://www.rrbgarages.com/innovation-bentley-arnag...
Yes that's true. In fact I only realised recently that it adjusts the suspension too. For a long time I thought it only adjust the gearbox so never used it. I was pleasently surprised when I did though.RR&B do a mod which will apparently give you complete control.
http://www.rrbgarages.com/innovation-bentley-arnag...
Kit sounds interesting. Cheers for sharing.
Penguinracer said:
Given where BMW have taken the twin-turbo V8 for the M5 & M6, you've got to wonder if the unloved Green Label can be tuned to provide Red Label bashing performance - albeit without the latter's titanic response from off-idle.
Surely some ECU tweakery, perhaps slightly larger turbos & improved intercooling would seen a 500-550 bhp Arnage with the refinement of quad cam motor.
The economics probably deter this enhancement given the additional cost would probably see you into a Red Label, but for those who have an interest in the engineering & technology - it would be great to see an M5/M6 spec Green Label.
Tim
The 4.4 Green Lable used the BMW M62b44 as the base, which is 20 year old tech. Dont mistake that engine for the for the very modern BMW S63b44 enging found in the F10 M5. Completly different beast!Surely some ECU tweakery, perhaps slightly larger turbos & improved intercooling would seen a 500-550 bhp Arnage with the refinement of quad cam motor.
The economics probably deter this enhancement given the additional cost would probably see you into a Red Label, but for those who have an interest in the engineering & technology - it would be great to see an M5/M6 spec Green Label.
Tim
mr_oversteer said:
Penguinracer said:
Given where BMW have taken the twin-turbo V8 for the M5 & M6, you've got to wonder if the unloved Green Label can be tuned to provide Red Label bashing performance - albeit without the latter's titanic response from off-idle.
Surely some ECU tweakery, perhaps slightly larger turbos & improved intercooling would seen a 500-550 bhp Arnage with the refinement of quad cam motor.
The economics probably deter this enhancement given the additional cost would probably see you into a Red Label, but for those who have an interest in the engineering & technology - it would be great to see an M5/M6 spec Green Label.
Tim
The 4.4 Green Lable used the BMW M62b44 as the base, which is 20 year old tech. Dont mistake that engine for the for the very modern BMW S63b44 enging found in the F10 M5. Completly different beast!Surely some ECU tweakery, perhaps slightly larger turbos & improved intercooling would seen a 500-550 bhp Arnage with the refinement of quad cam motor.
The economics probably deter this enhancement given the additional cost would probably see you into a Red Label, but for those who have an interest in the engineering & technology - it would be great to see an M5/M6 spec Green Label.
Tim
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