ARnage engine

[Dulay]

So please correct me if I am wrong.....
the original arnage had a BMW 4.4 litre twin turbo engine
Bentley then bought by Volkswagen , so they did not want to have to rely on bmw for the engine so went back to the 6.75 litre rolls Royce engine with a single turbo, and later the same engine with twin turbos....

If that is true, bmw owns rolls Royce and makes the engines correct? So then why would Bentley change the original BMW engine is they are using rolls Royce engines which are made by BMW?
can someone please correct anything wrong in my understanding?

What serial numbers did the engines go on?

Thanks

Remy

[buyer&seller]

Your first paragraph is correct but I do not understand your second one.

[Dulay]

Bmw bought the assets and name of rolls Royce correct? So if Volkswagen uses the 6.75 litre engine that is made by rolls Royce..... In effect aren't bmw making the engines for Bentley?




[quote=buyer&seller]Your first paragraph is correct but I do not understand your second one.
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[hidetheelephants]

VW own Bentley and the rights to the V8, so they used it in preference to the BMW engines which were not available after the existing supply contract expired. After that the V8 has been exclusively a Bentley engine as RR obviously use BMW power.

Edited by hidetheelephants on Sunday 22 February 18:23

[SpeckledJim]

BMW only bought the RR brand, hence the all-new Phantom.

All the stuff - people, things, cars, parts, factory etc were sold with the Bentley brand to VW.

[DVR]

BMW just bought a name, nothing more, even the spirit of ecstasy belonged to VW at the time.

The modern RR build at Goodwood is 100% a BMW with a different logo. Nice cars, in fact superb cars but have nothing to do with RR's build at Crewe before. It's a totally new car brand with an old name for obvious reasons.

[matt5791]

Absolutely - technically speaking currently Bentley cars are more Rolls Royce than Rolls Royce.....! Current Rolls Royce cars are a BMW product, branded as a Rolls. There is no bloodline, DNA, or whatever you want to call it, linking the current Rolls Royce branded cars to the original company, apart from the name.

Infact, Bentley Motors Limited is the original Rolls Royce company with a simple name change in 2002 from Rolls Royce and Bentley Motor Cars limited, to Bentley Motors limited (Company reg.number 992897). And the Royal Warrant granted to Rolls Royce, still rests with Bentley Motors Limited.

So the new Rolls Royce cars, fantastic cars, but they are more a "Rolls Royce of cars", a metaphor, than an actual Rolls Royce. Hence, for any enthusiast, the latest marketing speak from BMW/Rolls really grates when they talk about their founding fathers, Charles Rolls and Henry Royce. When really the founding fathers were whoever founded BMW.

[Bluebottle911]

matt5791 said:

the founding fathers were whoever founded BMW.

Karl Rapp and Julius Auspitzer, although arguably Herbert Austin, as the first car BMW made was an Austin 7 (prior to that they made aero engines, hence the propeller logo).

It is a curiosity that when VW bought RR-Bentley from Vickers, they acquired everything but the RR name and trademarks, because Vickers did not own them, but merely had the use of them courtesy of RR (originally the parent company of RR-Bentley, who make aero engines), which permission was withdrawn and the right to use the name etc. sold to BMW. It is a further curiosity that Vickers was later bought by RR. Had Vickers not sold RR-Bentley, the two RRs would have been reunited.