Peugeot 405 1.9TD won't start
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Hi my dads Peugeot 405 is refusing to start. The engine turns over ok with the starter motor but it doesn't fire up. It has plenty of diesel in it so thats not the problem. I was thinking maybe the fuel pump is broken or the filter may be blocked but I'm not sure what else to check. Any advice?
Yeah it could be them I suppose although the glow plug light on the dash does go on and off normally when you turn the key. Also my dad recons he has had the glow plugs changed 3-4 years ago. How long do they normally last for?
Edit: just checked the service history and the glow plugs were last done in 2004, 60k miles ago so maybe they do need doing again
Edit: just checked the service history and the glow plugs were last done in 2004, 60k miles ago so maybe they do need doing again
Edited by hifihigh on Sunday 20th June 17:45
GTP rpm said:
Glow plugs will never stop sn engine from starting...just take longer and prevent knock in the winter.
If its got an immobiliser. make sure thats ok, other than that, does it sound like it has compression?
They certainly will. If its got an immobiliser. make sure thats ok, other than that, does it sound like it has compression?
If one or two fail, it can take a while to start, but if three or four go you have little chance.Sometimes, bump starting is the only option, especially without a tip-top battery.
Try spraying some easy start or wd 40 down the inlet while someone else turns the engine over ,this should make it fire even if the glow plugs are knackered.
However it's more likely the stop solonoid on the end of the pump with a plunger in it.Unscrew it(single power wire going to it) take out the plunger and refit the switch then see if it will start ,if it does you will have to stall it to stop it.
However it's more likely the stop solonoid on the end of the pump with a plunger in it.Unscrew it(single power wire going to it) take out the plunger and refit the switch then see if it will start ,if it does you will have to stall it to stop it.
Kitchski said:
As said a sticky stop solenoid or an air leak in a fuel pipe, possibly even the spill off ones. If the plugs were shot, you'd still get it going eventually, especially with this warmer weather (but you'd need a respirator once it caught!)
my glow plugs went and the car was not starting however long i tried. same 1.9 td engine too.Rollcage said:
GTP rpm said:
Glow plugs will never stop sn engine from starting...just take longer and prevent knock in the winter.
If its got an immobiliser. make sure thats ok, other than that, does it sound like it has compression?
They certainly will. If its got an immobiliser. make sure thats ok, other than that, does it sound like it has compression?
If one or two fail, it can take a while to start, but if three or four go you have little chance.Sometimes, bump starting is the only option, especially without a tip-top battery.
But on every diesel engine I've experienced, it can have all 4 out and still start eventually.
Kitchski said:
You gave up too early! The starter motor/earthing straps will determine when you need to give up!
i dont think trying for about an hour per day on 2 days and flattening the battery both days was giving up too early. the glow plugs were knackered and the car would not start.Edited by rb5230 on Tuesday 22 June 18:40
I guess many different experiences here!
For those saying it WILL start if the plugs are shot, its easy to say that if you have never had a car not start because of the plugs failing!
In my experience, the battery either flats or the starter wiring gets dangerously hot if all the glow plugs are shot on that particular engine and it is continually cranked.
For those saying it WILL start if the plugs are shot, its easy to say that if you have never had a car not start because of the plugs failing!
In my experience, the battery either flats or the starter wiring gets dangerously hot if all the glow plugs are shot on that particular engine and it is continually cranked.
Rollcage said:
I guess many different experiences here!
For those saying it WILL start if the plugs are shot, its easy to say that if you have never had a car not start because of the plugs failing!
In my experience, the battery either flats or the starter wiring gets dangerously hot if all the glow plugs are shot on that particular engine and it is continually cranked.
No doubt, will depend on engines and engines condition?For those saying it WILL start if the plugs are shot, its easy to say that if you have never had a car not start because of the plugs failing!
In my experience, the battery either flats or the starter wiring gets dangerously hot if all the glow plugs are shot on that particular engine and it is continually cranked.
I generally work on modern Renaults. Had open circuit on all 4 glow-plugs before and all it does it take a few extra cranks...
If an old crappy engine is low on compression and the fuel pump isn't upto it's best, then I can see how a less than average battery will get flat before cranking the beast into life.
...so I guess, with this particular engine, it could be the case. I think glow-plugs is a bad word for them though...let's refer to them as "pre-heater" plugs and it'll all make a bit more sense of what they actually do.
As people who run veggie oil know, you re-wire this pre-heater kit, to the fuel tank to "thin it out" so it's easier to compress and thus, ignite. Take a naked flame, or a spark to diesel all you want but if you haven't got compression just give up!
Suspect fuel pump anyway...let's take bets.
Rollcage = Pre-heater plugs
Ian Davidson = Fuel Pump
Lol
P.s. hope you get your car sorted without too many problems.
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