Online Pug 205gti cambelt replacement guide.
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Evening all,
A pal's son has bought a lovely 1.9 Pug 205. I think some sort of motorsport may be on the cards with this car.
I've promised to help with a cambelt replacement. I've spent some time searching the net but to my surprise i haven't managed to find an online guide to doing so. I dare say my friends will buy a haynes manual but i'd like to be prepared myself, but without incurring any expense, natch.
I've found the website Peugeot Central which looks a cracker but it seems i've got to pay 10 quid to use the search facility, and i've tried to sign up with 205GtiDrivers.com, but i can't seem to be able to post anything - it does seem to be a difficult site to sign up to, and seems to insist on knowing my yahoo id and wants avatars and stuff, all the things i'm just not into (and the total lack of which is what makes PH the best car site on the 'net, imo).
Guys, is there a guide online to replacing the cambelt on one of these excellent little cars, please?
Any help appreciated, ta ever so.
A pal's son has bought a lovely 1.9 Pug 205. I think some sort of motorsport may be on the cards with this car.
I've promised to help with a cambelt replacement. I've spent some time searching the net but to my surprise i haven't managed to find an online guide to doing so. I dare say my friends will buy a haynes manual but i'd like to be prepared myself, but without incurring any expense, natch.
I've found the website Peugeot Central which looks a cracker but it seems i've got to pay 10 quid to use the search facility, and i've tried to sign up with 205GtiDrivers.com, but i can't seem to be able to post anything - it does seem to be a difficult site to sign up to, and seems to insist on knowing my yahoo id and wants avatars and stuff, all the things i'm just not into (and the total lack of which is what makes PH the best car site on the 'net, imo).
Guys, is there a guide online to replacing the cambelt on one of these excellent little cars, please?
Any help appreciated, ta ever so.
Bump! 
I'm starting to get the idea that the info i'm looking for isn't out there on the 'net, which leaves me very disappointed - i thought *everything* could be found out there on th'interweb.
Not joining 205gti forum - the amount of personal info they insist upon receiving is incredible, the most i've ever seen for any such forum by far. Obviously all this info is sold on for profiling, and maybe it's how they fund the site, but it's not for me.
If there's anyone out there who could help i'd be very grateful.
I'm starting to get the idea that the info i'm looking for isn't out there on the 'net, which leaves me very disappointed - i thought *everything* could be found out there on th'interweb.
Not joining 205gti forum - the amount of personal info they insist upon receiving is incredible, the most i've ever seen for any such forum by far. Obviously all this info is sold on for profiling, and maybe it's how they fund the site, but it's not for me.
If there's anyone out there who could help i'd be very grateful.
heebeegeetee said:
Bump!
I'm starting to get the idea that the info i'm looking for isn't out there on the 'net, which leaves me very disappointed - i thought *everything* could be found out there on th'interweb.
Not joining 205gti forum - the amount of personal info they insist upon receiving is incredible, the most i've ever seen for any such forum by far. Obviously all this info is sold on for profiling, and maybe it's how they fund the site, but it's not for me.
If there's anyone out there who could help i'd be very grateful.
I'll have a look for youI'm starting to get the idea that the info i'm looking for isn't out there on the 'net, which leaves me very disappointed - i thought *everything* could be found out there on th'interweb.
Not joining 205gti forum - the amount of personal info they insist upon receiving is incredible, the most i've ever seen for any such forum by far. Obviously all this info is sold on for profiling, and maybe it's how they fund the site, but it's not for me.
If there's anyone out there who could help i'd be very grateful.
Shamelessly stolen from 205drivers:
"There is a single spring-loaded tensioner on the 8v engines, so it's a doddle.
You don't have to replace either the tensioner or the waterpump, but it's argueably false economy not to, especially if they're of an unknown age. Do the job properly and only do the job once and all that.
Otherwise, it's pretty straight forward really - Haynes gives a fairly good overview of the job if you've got a manual to hand, although you don't need to remove the engine mount as it suggests which makes it even easier. It's pretty much a case of lining up the timing holes, removing the crank pulley (which can be difficult if it's not been off in a long time), removing the cambelt covers, releasing tension on the belt, and removing the belt. Swap the tensioner and waterpump if you're going to, and then reassemble"
"When fitting the new belt back on use the white marks on the belt to line up with the 2 pulleys as a double check that you havn't got it out by a tooth.
The Job is very easy once you've done it a few times, the hardest part is getting the covers off, and guessing how the leaver mechanism on the cam belt tensioner works with your hands down the back of the engine."
"There is a single spring-loaded tensioner on the 8v engines, so it's a doddle.
You don't have to replace either the tensioner or the waterpump, but it's argueably false economy not to, especially if they're of an unknown age. Do the job properly and only do the job once and all that.
Otherwise, it's pretty straight forward really - Haynes gives a fairly good overview of the job if you've got a manual to hand, although you don't need to remove the engine mount as it suggests which makes it even easier. It's pretty much a case of lining up the timing holes, removing the crank pulley (which can be difficult if it's not been off in a long time), removing the cambelt covers, releasing tension on the belt, and removing the belt. Swap the tensioner and waterpump if you're going to, and then reassemble"
"When fitting the new belt back on use the white marks on the belt to line up with the 2 pulleys as a double check that you havn't got it out by a tooth.
The Job is very easy once you've done it a few times, the hardest part is getting the covers off, and guessing how the leaver mechanism on the cam belt tensioner works with your hands down the back of the engine."
I was sure there was a guide on 205gtidrivers but can't find it anywhere!
What personal information are you being asked to provide as you join up, I was only asked for my name, location and email address. You don't have to have an avatar. Yes it is a hard site to sign upto but that seems the only way to keep out the chavs!
If you do decide to sign upto 205gtidrivers then you WILL get ALL the info you need when you ask a question.
I can change a cambelt easily but am hopeless at writing guide's so can't really help you i'm afraid!
What personal information are you being asked to provide as you join up, I was only asked for my name, location and email address. You don't have to have an avatar. Yes it is a hard site to sign upto but that seems the only way to keep out the chavs!
If you do decide to sign upto 205gtidrivers then you WILL get ALL the info you need when you ask a question.
I can change a cambelt easily but am hopeless at writing guide's so can't really help you i'm afraid!
heebeegeetee said:
Bump!
Not joining 205gti forum - the amount of personal info they insist upon receiving is incredible, the most i've ever seen for any such forum by far. Obviously all this info is sold on for profiling, and maybe it's how they fund the site, but it's not for me.
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That deters kids who have questions like "how do is phit a huge exzorts to make me do flamz" and makes users lives much nicer.Not joining 205gti forum - the amount of personal info they insist upon receiving is incredible, the most i've ever seen for any such forum by far. Obviously all this info is sold on for profiling, and maybe it's how they fund the site, but it's not for me.
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Stick with it it's a valuable resource.
Simes205 said:
heebeegeetee said:
Bump!
Not joining 205gti forum - the amount of personal info they insist upon receiving is incredible, the most i've ever seen for any such forum by far. Obviously all this info is sold on for profiling, and maybe it's how they fund the site, but it's not for me.
:
That deters kids who have questions like "how do is phit a huge exzorts to make me do flamz" and makes users lives much nicer.Not joining 205gti forum - the amount of personal info they insist upon receiving is incredible, the most i've ever seen for any such forum by far. Obviously all this info is sold on for profiling, and maybe it's how they fund the site, but it's not for me.
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Stick with it it's a valuable resource.
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Unfortunately I shan't be bothering, perhaps my pal will join 'cos I reckon it'll be him doing the work on the car and hopefully his lad will contribute with some payment for said work.
And cambelt changing has been postponed until more clement conditions prevail.
RT106 said:
The 205 drivers forum is the best I've ever used. It's well worth signing up to; very knowledgeable members with none of the boy-racer element that affects so many one-make forums. I've been a member since ~2004 and they haven't sold my identity yet!
Couldn't agree more, been on there since mid 2002!TEKNOPUG said:
It asks you 6 questions???
It's hardly a thesis on quantum physics.....
Er, plus an obligatory statement whereupon it you're obliged to repeat some of the info and add some more.It's hardly a thesis on quantum physics.....
Certainly far more than I'm prepared to pass over the internet. Might only be 6 questions, but in this day and age when id theft is a problem, it's 6 questions they shouldn't be asking and i doubt that few answer accurately or honestly anyway.
PH asks for little details and they keep the boy-racers and the textspeak etc away too.
I think you'll find there are far easier and more profitable ways for people to get hold of your identity than a few probably fake details on a forum and it really is worth the effort, it's difficult to imagine how I would ever have got the work done or found the people or the parts needed to do up my 205 without the 205GTIdrivers forum!
heebeegeetee said:
TEKNOPUG said:
It asks you 6 questions???
It's hardly a thesis on quantum physics.....
Er, plus an obligatory statement whereupon it you're obliged to repeat some of the info and add some more.It's hardly a thesis on quantum physics.....
Certainly far more than I'm prepared to pass over the internet. Might only be 6 questions, but in this day and age when id theft is a problem, it's 6 questions they shouldn't be asking and i doubt that few answer accurately or honestly anyway.
PH asks for little details and they keep the boy-racers and the textspeak etc away too.
And since when has PH managed to keep the boyracers away? Half the threads are written by 16 year old, and the other half written by people looking for their next rep mobile. It's why i tend to stay away these days.
The information given out freely on 205gtidrivers is second to none, very knowledgeable and friendly.
If you can't be bothered to fill out a few simple questions then you don't deserve the support TBH.
Buy a Haynes manual off eBay for a few quid, it is well detailed in there how to do it. Unless the car is a very late model, it's pretty easy, becasue the belt tensioner is a spring loaded device that sets the belt tension, so you can't go too far wrong. The last models (92-on IIRC) dispensed with the spring loaded tensioner and switched to a sort of manually adjustable eccentric pulley which you adjust yourself to set the tension. In theory its a nice idea but in practice it's fiddly and more difficult to set right and certainly not as idiot proof as the spring design.
You also need to know which tensioner type you have when you buy the new belt because one uses a longer belt than the other.
While you are in there you may as well replace the water pump, and the alternator belt too.
Don't try and prise the crank pulley off - you will chip it. Ease it off instead, and grease the crank when refitting it to ensure it doesn't become stuck on in the future. Use some loctite on the bolt threads when refitting the bolt too.
Remove the spark plugs before starting which makes turning the engine easier when you are aligning timing marks (BEFORE removing the old belt).
Use two M8 (IIRC) bolts to align the top and bottom pulleys. Do not remove the belt until you can get the bolts, drill bits, or something similiar in both pulleys. Use same bolts to check alignment once the new belt is refitted.
DO NOT under any circumstances start the engine until you have refitted the crank pulley and retorqued the crank pulley bolt. The oil pump gear (on 1.9 engines, anyway) has a peculiar design and what it means is that if you haven't tightned everything up, the oil pump won't get reliable drive and therefore the engine won't have good oil pressure, or any oil pressure at all.
The only other advice I will give is what everyone else here has said. Persevere with 205drivers and join up. It is well worth it.
You also need to know which tensioner type you have when you buy the new belt because one uses a longer belt than the other.
While you are in there you may as well replace the water pump, and the alternator belt too.
Don't try and prise the crank pulley off - you will chip it. Ease it off instead, and grease the crank when refitting it to ensure it doesn't become stuck on in the future. Use some loctite on the bolt threads when refitting the bolt too.
Remove the spark plugs before starting which makes turning the engine easier when you are aligning timing marks (BEFORE removing the old belt).
Use two M8 (IIRC) bolts to align the top and bottom pulleys. Do not remove the belt until you can get the bolts, drill bits, or something similiar in both pulleys. Use same bolts to check alignment once the new belt is refitted.
DO NOT under any circumstances start the engine until you have refitted the crank pulley and retorqued the crank pulley bolt. The oil pump gear (on 1.9 engines, anyway) has a peculiar design and what it means is that if you haven't tightned everything up, the oil pump won't get reliable drive and therefore the engine won't have good oil pressure, or any oil pressure at all.
The only other advice I will give is what everyone else here has said. Persevere with 205drivers and join up. It is well worth it.
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