205 Gti questions

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dunc_sx

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203 months

Friday 9th October 2009
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Apologies for the newbie questions but recently purchased a std 205 GTI 1.9 h reg and have a few questions -

The oil temp gauge is not working, I checked the sensor visually and the wire is still connected. I had assumed that it's one of the switches close to the oil filter is this correct?

Also I was wondering if the 205's had any oil starvation problems under extreme braking and cornering?

Final question is that alot of people upgrade the brakes to 306 gti6 items, but does this include the rears or is it just the fronts?

Thanks,

Duncan.

TEKNOPUG

19,259 posts

211 months

Friday 9th October 2009
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The rear brakes are the same on 205/309/306 and 206 I think. Also most Citroens as well. So no "upgrading". You'd probably be better off getting brakes from a 407 as they are a direct replacement and are the biggest disc/caliper combo that will fit under the 15" Speedlines. Some people will try to charge more claiming that they are 206 Gti-180 brakes - which they are but they are exactly the saem brakes as fitted to all but the smallest engined 407's.

Oil temp guage will no doubt be a duff sensor. Healthy 8's don't suffer oil starvation.

dunc_sx

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Friday 9th October 2009
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Thanks for the brake advice, think it's definately a healthy engine as recently rebuilt and oil pressure's spot on smile

Dunc.

Coskev

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219 months

Friday 9th October 2009
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Oil temp sender is in the sump,at the back near engine mount;)

The ones near filter are the oil pressure gauge,and low oil press warning(stop)lightsmile

People who use there 205's on track do get oil starvation probs,plenty of places do baffle plates for the sump.

dunc_sx

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Saturday 10th October 2009
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OK will check that out, hopefully it's just a burst wire (more likely if in sump area).

Anyone know what these are off of and if they are suitable?




Dunc.

PhillipM

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195 months

Saturday 10th October 2009
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306 gti-6 rear calipers do have a slightly larger piston that most others, 32mm vs 30mm.
Try 306gti6.com for info on that, 205gtidrivers.com for everything else, I can't remember if you said you were already on there or not.


-That dodgy bloke from sxoc ...

dunc_sx

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Saturday 10th October 2009
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Ah us sxocer's get everywhere! Spoke to the lad and he recons they came off a 306 but not a gti6 so most likely they are no use. Will have a look on 306gti (was on there when I had my 306gti) but I can't get registered on 205drivers, it gives a message about not accepting any more members frown

Dunc.

Simes205

4,621 posts

234 months

Saturday 10th October 2009
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I've got 307HDI calipers or 206GTI180 what ever you want to call them.
However if you've got a set of 1.9GTI front calipers, rebuild them because frankly combined with some good pads they are pretty good.

Oil starvation is most common on un baffled Mi16s.
8v's don't suffer.


Edited by Simes205 on Saturday 10th October 11:47

PhillipM

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Saturday 10th October 2009
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dunc_sx said:
Ah us sxocer's get everywhere! Spoke to the lad and he recons they came off a 306 but not a gti6 so most likely they are no use. Will have a look on 306gti (was on there when I had my 306gti) but I can't get registered on 205drivers, it gives a message about not accepting any more members frown

Dunc.
They've been having some problems with the login, so it's closed just while it gets updated and fixed.

dunc_sx

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Saturday 10th October 2009
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Simes I've had a gti6 before and the brakes were amazing, one thing the 205 is lacking in my opinion is brake pedal feel - I'd like to upgrade the brake master cylinder to the 306gti6 one even if I don't actually touch the front calipers/disks. Not too sure how easy this is though, the 306's are all ABS and this may complicate things slightly?

Cheers for that Phillip, I'll try again another time then.

Dunc.

PhillipM

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Saturday 10th October 2009
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Easy upgrade Dunc, basically bolts straight on.

Simes205

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Saturday 10th October 2009
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PhillipM said:
Easy upgrade Dunc, basically bolts straight on.
Yep, but using the larger m/c with standard brakes may cause issues. You will probably have to adjust the piston that goes into the m/c.

dunc_sx

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Saturday 10th October 2009
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Simes, any more details on this? In my mind it'll just shift more fluid giving a shorter pedal, I'm probably missing something though.

Thanks,

Dunc.

PhillipM

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195 months

Saturday 10th October 2009
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It'll push more fluid, but you'll have less leverage...

Anyway, there's a rod from the servo that operates the master cylinder - it should be checked for the correct clearance and adjusted to suit every time you replace the master cylinder.
It may well be that just taking some of the slop out of it will cure your brakes anyway, they do wear slightly over time. Adjust it too far and the brakes will lock on though.

dunc_sx

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Sunday 11th October 2009
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OK will have a bash at that today then. Also located the oil temp wire that is snapped so hopefully it'll work fine when rewired too smile

Thank you for the help lads smile

Dunc.

Edited by dunc_sx on Sunday 11th October 10:19

dunc_sx

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Sunday 11th October 2009
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dunc_sx said:
Also located the oil temp wire that is snapped so hopefully it'll work fine when rewired too smile
Have tested the sensor at the end of the new wire I've fitted and the resistance drops as the oil heats so the sensor seems to work fine. When I connect it to the wire I assumed was for the temp gauge however there is no effect.

The only suitable wire I can find comes in the bunch that leads to the oil pressure (and stop) senders, it then loops round under the distributor and was burst there. Seems the most logical candidate, no other spare wires that I can see except one at the ingnition coil with a plug on it.

Dunc.

dunc_sx

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Sunday 11th October 2009
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Just hadn't let it heat up enough, oil temp working fine now smile

Dunc.

Coskev

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219 months

Sunday 11th October 2009
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Nice one smile

HereBeMonsters

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188 months

Sunday 11th October 2009
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Simes205 said:
Oil starvation is most common on un baffled Mi16s.
8v's don't suffer.
Try telling that to my 8v. Apparently showboating at 110% balls-out around Brunchenn is not a good idea on R888s with stiff suspension. Luckily the local 'ring scrappy had enough bits to form a crude rebuild to get it back to Blighty!

aw51 121565

4,771 posts

239 months

Monday 12th October 2009
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PhillipM said:
dunc_sx said:
Ah us sxocer's get everywhere! Spoke to the lad and he recons they came off a 306 but not a gti6 so most likely they are no use. Will have a look on 306gti (was on there when I had my 306gti) but I can't get registered on 205drivers, it gives a message about not accepting any more members frown

Dunc.
They've been having some problems with the login, so it's closed just while it gets updated and fixed.
It's been like this for over six months now.