106 Rallye Vs. 205 GTi
Discussion
Evening all,
I've just found a decent 205 GTi for sale, quite cheap, so thought I'd check insurance before going any further... Turns out it's also pretty cheap to insure (£100 more than my rallye)
Big question is, what do you guys think? Current car is a standardish 106 Rallye, phase 1, with just a K&N, and stainless decat exhaust (inc manifold)
Other car in question is a standard 1.9 GTi, but with Leather, and a few other "nice" bits
I'm 20, and begun thinking I'd like a bit more luxury than the rallye offers, so the GTi seems perfect. Will I regret selling the Rallye do you think? I've recently thought it was a bit slow, so the 1.9 seems like a good upgrade.
I await your opinions
Cheers
Mr.Jimbo
I've just found a decent 205 GTi for sale, quite cheap, so thought I'd check insurance before going any further... Turns out it's also pretty cheap to insure (£100 more than my rallye)
Big question is, what do you guys think? Current car is a standardish 106 Rallye, phase 1, with just a K&N, and stainless decat exhaust (inc manifold)
Other car in question is a standard 1.9 GTi, but with Leather, and a few other "nice" bits
I'm 20, and begun thinking I'd like a bit more luxury than the rallye offers, so the GTi seems perfect. Will I regret selling the Rallye do you think? I've recently thought it was a bit slow, so the 1.9 seems like a good upgrade.
I await your opinions
Cheers
Mr.Jimbo
1.9gti is a great little car with loads of oomph. Try out a clio 1.8 16v too as these are more comfortable than the 205 and have a good spec as standard, plus insurance might be cheaper, ive had 3 of them and they are brilliant cars for the money...handle really well & quite cheap to tune for decent power...plus have PAS, electric windows, sunroof etc and a great interior.
http://www.pistonheads.com/sales/1043180.htm
http://www.pistonheads.com/sales/1043180.htm
Cheers for the advice, I don't actually mind the lack of comforts so much! but leather does sound nice.
I quite fancy trading up to one, to be honest, don't know if I could get rid of the rallye though, it was my first car (and only....) so have a lot of memories!
ETA: forgot to mention the clio, nice cars, a mate at uni has one. Would like to stay Peugeot at the moment mind
Don't really fancy a 106 GTi, for some reason I'm less fond of the S2, and feel like I'd want something other than a 106 really...
I quite fancy trading up to one, to be honest, don't know if I could get rid of the rallye though, it was my first car (and only....) so have a lot of memories!
ETA: forgot to mention the clio, nice cars, a mate at uni has one. Would like to stay Peugeot at the moment mind
Don't really fancy a 106 GTi, for some reason I'm less fond of the S2, and feel like I'd want something other than a 106 really...Edited by Mr.Jimbo on Friday 10th July 00:39
Edited by Mr.Jimbo on Friday 10th July 00:40
Can anyone comment on the 2 together though? driveability, how they are to live with etc?
I shouldn't stop you really, you're doing a bloody good job of selling me a GTi-6
... maybe a '6 engine could find its way in, if I tire of the 1.9 Are you lot on comission from peugeot?
I shouldn't stop you really, you're doing a bloody good job of selling me a GTi-6
... maybe a '6 engine could find its way in, if I tire of the 1.9 Are you lot on comission from peugeot? Edited by Mr.Jimbo on Friday 10th July 12:39
Similar as they may look, they are very very different cars.
The 1.3 Rallye has a screamer of an engine that has to be worked hard for its power. It's great fun, but a bit tiring on a long journey.
The 1.9 GTI has a much lazier engine with far more area under the torque and power curves. There is a peak towards 6800 rpm, so you can still work it, but you can slot it into fifth and still have power on tap if necessary.
If you like the power delivery of the 1.3, have a look at a 1.6 GTI. The engine characteristics are more similar, and with the shorter ratio gearbox you'll not notice the slight gap in acceleration.
The 1.3 Rallye has a screamer of an engine that has to be worked hard for its power. It's great fun, but a bit tiring on a long journey.
The 1.9 GTI has a much lazier engine with far more area under the torque and power curves. There is a peak towards 6800 rpm, so you can still work it, but you can slot it into fifth and still have power on tap if necessary.
If you like the power delivery of the 1.3, have a look at a 1.6 GTI. The engine characteristics are more similar, and with the shorter ratio gearbox you'll not notice the slight gap in acceleration.
This one apparently has a 1.6 gearbox and flywheel fitted, which spritzes things up a bit? I do like the revvy nature of the 1.3, but the torque of the 1.9 sounds good, combined with the 1.6 'box should give a happy medium?
(sorry, I should have said about all this to start with)
(sorry, I should have said about all this to start with
)Edited by Mr.Jimbo on Friday 10th July 13:31
Yep, that is a good combo to have. I wouldn't expect luxury-levels of comfort in any 205, but it's certainly less spartan than a Rallye!
You will find with the 1.6 'box that motorway journeys are still a bit of a chore - you'll be at about 4500 rpm in 5th at 70mph.
My gearbox is a bit of an amalgam, 1.6 flywheel onto a BE3 clutch and pedal (lighter in feel than a BE1), 1st-4th are 1.9 and 5th is from a diesel. At 70mph I'm at 3600 rpm. Keeps noise and fuel consumption down to reasonable levels. Does compromise it on tracks with long straights though, and some parts of the Nurburgring - to the extent that I use the straights as a breather, knock it into 5th and cruise at about 60-70 to cool everything down. Prefer the locals to go past me on the straights anyway!
You will find with the 1.6 'box that motorway journeys are still a bit of a chore - you'll be at about 4500 rpm in 5th at 70mph.
My gearbox is a bit of an amalgam, 1.6 flywheel onto a BE3 clutch and pedal (lighter in feel than a BE1), 1st-4th are 1.9 and 5th is from a diesel. At 70mph I'm at 3600 rpm. Keeps noise and fuel consumption down to reasonable levels. Does compromise it on tracks with long straights though, and some parts of the Nurburgring - to the extent that I use the straights as a breather, knock it into 5th and cruise at about 60-70 to cool everything down. Prefer the locals to go past me on the straights anyway!
Mr.Jimbo said:
HereBeMonsters said:
Mr.Jimbo said:
It all looks good, just all depends on me selling my Rallye! 
not having much interest 
Where are you? And how much..? not having much interest HereBeMonsters said:
Mr.Jimbo said:
HereBeMonsters said:
Mr.Jimbo said:
It all looks good, just all depends on me selling my Rallye! not having much interest
Where are you? And how much..? not having much interest Can't quite compete with 911's and Maser's! It depends if you want more of a driver's car or a car that you can relax in, and occasionally have a little play. 306's are dull as dish water compared to driving 205's, but don't demand the concentration needed when on the limit. (Don't buy a 205 if you have a habit of cornering fast then losing your bottle. )
A decent 1.9 with a 1.6 box and fly will be pretty fun, and keep up with a lardy asthmatic GTi6. The 1.6's ratios are fine for motorway speeds, 70 is at 4k in 5th, and is fine, just don't worry about it, yes it's a bit noisier, but the ratios are far more suited.
)A decent 1.9 with a 1.6 box and fly will be pretty fun, and keep up with a lardy asthmatic GTi6. The 1.6's ratios are fine for motorway speeds, 70 is at 4k in 5th, and is fine, just don't worry about it, yes it's a bit noisier, but the ratios are far more suited.
Thats the stuff, handling advice etc, thanks guys
I agree, the Rallye isn't GT territory, mine makes the annual trip to LeMans tho, it's bloody knackering!!
Already used to (and quite adept at) lifting off mid corner, very sensibly mind! I recently swapped the front tyres to back to balance the handling out and it's lovely now. I hear 205's are renowned for their lift off, but I'd be extremely careful until I'd learned the car, as always
Think my mind is made up, if the Rallye goes, I'll be a GTi-er!!
One last note, I keep reading of a DES developments exhaust, but can't find info or sale prices anywhere, heard a rumour they had gone bust, anyone know anything? I think if I got a standard gti, I'd want one of their GRp.N systems to keep me sane, after the Pugsport on the 106, would get the 205 Pugsport, but it's mild steel, and our rally one is not looking too smart corrosion wise
Cheers again lads
I agree, the Rallye isn't GT territory, mine makes the annual trip to LeMans tho, it's bloody knackering!!
Already used to (and quite adept at) lifting off mid corner, very sensibly mind! I recently swapped the front tyres to back to balance the handling out and it's lovely now. I hear 205's are renowned for their lift off, but I'd be extremely careful until I'd learned the car, as always
Think my mind is made up, if the Rallye goes, I'll be a GTi-er!!
One last note, I keep reading of a DES developments exhaust, but can't find info or sale prices anywhere, heard a rumour they had gone bust, anyone know anything? I think if I got a standard gti, I'd want one of their GRp.N systems to keep me sane, after the Pugsport on the 106, would get the 205 Pugsport, but it's mild steel, and our rally one is not looking too smart corrosion wise
Cheers again lads
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