205 GTi - Engine Ideas

[rachel_kgr]

Now I am approaching 165,000 miles on my 1.9 GTi (20 years old). I need to do something with the smoking engine.

I don't want to do the work, I would rather find someone to fit a reconditioned engine for me???

Does anyone know who could do this? and any cost estimate?

Thanks

Rachel

PS I saw this guys, couldn't afford this as the refit is extra....but wow!!! Great engines!!!

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Peugeot-205-GTI-rebuilt-engi...

[Simes205]

Smoking Engine could be either Valve stem seals (relatively cheap) or knackered piston rings, the former is more common.


Where are you based?
I can highly recommend contacting Miles on 205gtidrivers, his work is of a very high quality.

Back in 2004 I paid:

£350 for a 51K old Mi16 Engine and ancilleries
and then another £1600 for

Strip, clean and rebuild (not pistons and liners)
Custom loom
Stripped, cleaned and rebuilt Mi16 gearbox
Maniflow 4-2-1 manifold.

Edited by Simes205 on Friday 9th January 08:27

[trickywoo]

Second the advice re the stem seals - there may be a good few miles left in your engine.

I'd also think about rebuilding your existing engine (if it comes to that) - its obviously a good one. With recon units you are never really sure that its had all the necessary work done. It would be a good opportunity to bolt a slightly fruitier head on as well.

These people have a good reputation http://www.q-e-p.co.uk/engine_205.asp

[TEKNOPUG]

£1600 for a rebuilt 8v.....dreamers.

Do you not fancy something with a bit more go? 306 GTi-6 engines are a cheap and easy transplant.

[TimmerTVR]

Sorry for gate crashing this topic but as i too want to upgrade my engine, all be it for the Nordschliffe in the summer (spelling?). Whats the pros/cons for Mi16 or GTI-6?

Edited by TimmerTVR on Friday 9th January 19:27

[sorrento205]

pro's - power

con's - none






or did you mean for each engine?

mi16 - alloy block lighter, suffers from oil surge (though its never stopped me)
GTI-6 - cast block heavier, has no oil issues

both need exhaust modifications to fit, both would benefit from rebuilds, mi16 would almost certainly require one GTI6 you could probably get away with but would you want to.

Edited by sorrento205 on Saturday 10th January 00:11

[Simes205]

TimmerTVR said:

Sorry for gate crashing this topic but as i too want to upgrade my engine, all be it for the Nordschliffe in the summer (spelling?). Whats the pros/cons for Mi16 or GTI-6?

Edited by TimmerTVR on Friday 9th January 19:27

Have you not made it onto http://forum.205gtidrivers.com/index.php? yet?

There all your questions will be answered at least more than once!

[rachel_kgr]

Thanks Guys, wow a lot of options.....

I need an Engine Doctor to take a look first, very happy with the current power output (for me that is).... So just want to stop the smoke.....

I will contact the guy recommended on the 205GTi site to see if I can arrange a meet and discussion on the way forward....(Thanks for pointing me to him).

On a budget (as always), so time will tell. I had to replace all the brake lines last week, when I lost the brakes on the M4 (as considerable speed), not fun!!!

Thanks as always chaps for the advice.....

Rachel

[rev.chris]

re build a mi16 lump an supercharge it,

[TEKNOPUG]

rachel_kgr said:

Thanks Guys, wow a lot of options.....

I need an Engine Doctor to take a look first, very happy with the current power output (for me that is).... So just want to stop the smoke.....

I will contact the guy recommended on the 205GTi site to see if I can arrange a meet and discussion on the way forward....(Thanks for pointing me to him).

On a budget (as always), so time will tell. I had to replace all the brake lines last week, when I lost the brakes on the M4 (as considerable speed), not fun!!!

Thanks as always chaps for the advice.....

Rachel

Probably just valve stem seals as said before. It takes a lot to kill an old 8v.

[screwloose]

£1600 for a rebuilt 8v!! I know LAD are optomistic, in more ways than one, but thats obscene.

[leon_t]

Try miles as suggested or whizzer71 who's in the kent area and sold me my 205 (with a 2.0 16v GTi6 engine he'd fitted). Both can be found on the 205gtidrivers forum.

The 8v XU engines are very strong units though and so stem seals are the most likely issue. Not particularly expensive, although if you're engine has done high mileage, I'd suggest get the stem seals done, head checked over, and a new timing belt fitted all at the same time.

Whe ndoes it burn oil? On hard acceleration, or when you've lifted off and the engine is slowing?

[screwloose]

A friend of mine on here has a very sound 1.9 engine he'd sell you and nowhere near what LAD are asking.
He's BazT if you're interested.

[205chavs]

i have just rebuilt my own engine it 1.6 gti and was looking to convert it to 1.9 due to engines being very simular due too the cranks are diffrent because the 1.9 have a longer stroke and some diffrences with the valves but decided not to do because i want it for the track and was told it would be better any way the parts arnt that expensive i changed all the bearings, seals, piston rings, gaskets that cost about 300 quid did all the labour me self bar the skiming of the head and re ground the crank that was about 200 so i dont see where they get that price from good look any way

[megamaniac]

It is possible to change the stems seals without strippping the head,the later engines had different seal material and were very prone to hardening.

[spenny_b]

TEKNOPUG said:

Do you not fancy something with a bit more go? 306 GTi-6 engines are a cheap and easy transplant.

What I was about to say.

Carl at CG Cars in Leicester is currently in finishing stages of his 205 GTi-6 conversion, a full restore job. Saw it last week, looks stunning (tried to twist his arm into part ex'ing my 306 against it!...he said no!)

Think he posts as "mechanical_repairs" on 306gti6.com

Good bloke and highly regarded on above site.

ETA - just found the link --->

Carls 205

Edited by spenny_b on Friday 23 January 13:12

[FactoryPilot]

I'm surprised no one has mentioned a certain garage in Tarporley....

Skip Brown Cars.

There's nowhere else even worth considering.

[sorrento205]

15 years ago maybe, but these days there are plenty of reliable companies who specialise in 205s

[FactoryPilot]

I beg to differ, but each to their own. You pays your money.....

[Robert060379]

While the MI16 conversion is a tried and tested method of making a quick 205 there is nothing wrong with the XU 8V engine. I've just bought a 1.9 GTI bored out to 2.1 with a race head, cam, free flowing exhaust, 309 GTI rear beem, adjustable shocks and six spare wheels. The bloke who built the car wanted to Hillclimb/sprint the car but can not because it has a sun roof. I paid £400 for one of the quickest 205s I've ever driven.
Why replace your engine when it would be more cost effective to strip and rebuilt it? Also you won't have to pay through the nose to insure a modified car if you keep the original numbers and in the long run so many 205s have been modified a good original car will be worth a lot more. An original car in the condition of the one I've just bought (year, colour etc) is for sale on here for £1,500
It's your car so it is up to you. Just enjoy it whatever you decide to do. Rob