Come on Peugeot, where's the 107 GTI!
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The 107 is such an untapped rescourse IMO. It's cheap, very light for a modern car (825kg with the 1.0, the same as an S1 106 Rallye!) and with a bit of effort on the styling front (arch extensions, 15" alloys, slightly lower ride height) it would look pretty sporty.
It wouldn't even need a particularly special engine. The old 120hp 16v TU from the 106 GTI would make it bloody fast. The 106 GTI weighed nearly a tonne and still managed 60 in 7.6 seconds. The 1.6 HDI would be equally as rapid and fairly effotless to drive. If it can propel a 407 adequately, the tiny 107 would be a walk in the park.
With the current economic climate there'd be plenty of demand especially if they could price it below £10k. It would blow the socks off the Panda 100HP and whatever other competition it might have.
What does everyone else think? I think Peugeot need a kick up the arse.
It wouldn't even need a particularly special engine. The old 120hp 16v TU from the 106 GTI would make it bloody fast. The 106 GTI weighed nearly a tonne and still managed 60 in 7.6 seconds. The 1.6 HDI would be equally as rapid and fairly effotless to drive. If it can propel a 407 adequately, the tiny 107 would be a walk in the park.
With the current economic climate there'd be plenty of demand especially if they could price it below £10k. It would blow the socks off the Panda 100HP and whatever other competition it might have.
What does everyone else think? I think Peugeot need a kick up the arse.
If it were made im pretty sure it'd use the JP4 engine, cause from what I could make out looking at some info the other day, its the engine that's in the 1007 GTi.
Would be a pretty funky little mover though, almost as quick as the 106 GTi, if not quicker, down to the weight that you've said, cause it'd only have a heavier engine, opposed to all the extra's the 106GTi had over the Rallye.
Would be a pretty funky little mover though, almost as quick as the 106 GTi, if not quicker, down to the weight that you've said, cause it'd only have a heavier engine, opposed to all the extra's the 106GTi had over the Rallye.
JP4 engines is pretty much identical to the J4 used in the 106 GTI, slightly bigger valves but less aggressive cams I think. Didn't even know they did a 1007 GTI though! Too heavy to have any decent poke surely?
900T-R, I think you've probably hit the nail on the head there. Not having examined a 107, I assumed that the citroen-peugeot link up meant it was still using some form of TU engine. I doubt there is much room under there if it's just a 3 cylinder. That's still not an excuse though.
Sounds like supercharger-o-clock to me then!
900T-R, I think you've probably hit the nail on the head there. Not having examined a 107, I assumed that the citroen-peugeot link up meant it was still using some form of TU engine. I doubt there is much room under there if it's just a 3 cylinder. That's still not an excuse though.
Sounds like supercharger-o-clock to me then!
busta said:
JP4 engines is pretty much identical to the J4 used in the 106 GTI, slightly bigger valves but less aggressive cams I think. Didn't even know they did a 1007 GTI though! Too heavy to have any decent poke surely?
Aye, I know the JP4 is the same as the J4 apart from the bigger valves but it looks like itd be the one they use.I didnt know about the 1007GTi until I spotted it once either, only makes 111bhp though.
titchster said:
busta said:
JP4 engines is pretty much identical to the J4 used in the 106 GTI, slightly bigger valves but less aggressive cams I think. Didn't even know they did a 1007 GTI though! Too heavy to have any decent poke surely?
Aye, I know the JP4 is the same as the J4 apart from the bigger valves but it looks like itd be the one they use.I didnt know about the 1007GTi until I spotted it once either, only makes 111bhp though.
1.6 engine from the 207 GTi.
Peugoet need to stop being fannies and make something mad!
But for me it looks a bit grim, too tall and vertically stretched.
I'd still rather just buy a 106 GTi because it actually looks nice and goes well.
Having all that weight up on a tall roof that it doesn't need just reeks of not very optimised for performance. Loads of lateral and long weight transfer won't do it any favours.
Thankfully manufacturers seem to be going the CC route now, Merc with the CLS, VW with the Pissat CC etc... maybe the MPV esque revolution is over? Maybe we will start to see lower slung, lighter, streamlined cars becoming vogue again?
Well, from what I read, Peugeot said all new models will be lighter than the ones they replace, so unless they start reversing the trends and make the 309 a 207 sized car and just bring new ones in from the top, then it could be good news for future hot Pugs/Citroens
Dave
Peugoet need to stop being fannies and make something mad!
But for me it looks a bit grim, too tall and vertically stretched.
I'd still rather just buy a 106 GTi because it actually looks nice and goes well.
Having all that weight up on a tall roof that it doesn't need just reeks of not very optimised for performance. Loads of lateral and long weight transfer won't do it any favours.
Thankfully manufacturers seem to be going the CC route now, Merc with the CLS, VW with the Pissat CC etc... maybe the MPV esque revolution is over? Maybe we will start to see lower slung, lighter, streamlined cars becoming vogue again?
Well, from what I read, Peugeot said all new models will be lighter than the ones they replace, so unless they start reversing the trends and make the 309 a 207 sized car and just bring new ones in from the top, then it could be good news for future hot Pugs/Citroens
Dave
I don't think the tall roof is such a stumbling block. Look at cars like the C2, Smart fortwo, Panda 100HP. All have high roofs and short wheel bases and none of them are bad handlers. A hot hatch is always gonna be compromised anyway, still no need to write it off.
I don't think then emergence of CCs will do much to change the rest of the market either. They are replacing fabric convertibles, which have mostly been lower slung, sleeker cars. That won't affect the city car / mini MPV sector.
I don't think then emergence of CCs will do much to change the rest of the market either. They are replacing fabric convertibles, which have mostly been lower slung, sleeker cars. That won't affect the city car / mini MPV sector.
busta said:
I don't think then emergence of CCs will do much to change the rest of the market either. They are replacing fabric convertibles, which have mostly been lower slung, sleeker cars. That won't affect the city car / mini MPV sector.
The Passat/Merc CLS styles are what I meant more.The new Sirocco even (although not that low)
Maybe people are getting bored of everything being needlessly tall. Almost all 'tall' cars I see have the driver with about 6-8in of space above their head... why?
Hmmm
Dave
r1ch said:
Peugeot keep playing it safe instead of making exciting cars. Their target market isn't enthusiasts. Sort it out pug, strip out the 207 gti of all the junk and lets get the power up and start competing again with the likes of renault.
Yep, do a 'Rallye' spec to it. Dump the expensive seats, aircon etc to save weight and money, then do a 'JCW' to it like the new MINI, with leccy diff and 200bhp+Peugoet never will though, gone are the days of Peugeot leading the pack, they just cower away at the back insecure even in their own product range, rather than pushing forwards with interesting models!
Dave
I remember reading an article a few years ago about the Sbarro school who put a 16v TU in the C1, and apparently it wasn't too hard, but for a mass scale manufacture, a GTI version of the 107 is unlikely. The C1/Aygo/107 are all made in the same factory i think, and with these links and changes to production lines etc. etc, it would probably be very hard for just manufacturer to get a hot version of what is essentially meant to be a mass produced cheap car. I sat in a 107 at the motor show, I was very surprised at how cheap it felt. I mean, they are cheap, but this really did feel very poorly built, and if it had been the Toyota variant it would really have stood out.
Mr Whippy said:
busta said:
I don't think then emergence of CCs will do much to change the rest of the market either. They are replacing fabric convertibles, which have mostly been lower slung, sleeker cars. That won't affect the city car / mini MPV sector.
The Passat/Merc CLS styles are what I meant more.The new Sirocco even (although not that low)
Maybe people are getting bored of everything being needlessly tall. Almost all 'tall' cars I see have the driver with about 6-8in of space above their head... why?
Hmmm
Dave
By comparison with two other great handling hatches:
107- 1470mm
Ford Ka-1413mm
Clio- 1493mm
Merc CLS- 1403
Not much in it really.
busta said:
Saw one parked up the other day, They aren't especially tall. I think it's deceptive because of the shape- short with no real bonnet and a steep back.
By comparison with two other great handling hatches:
107- 1470mm
Ford Ka-1413mm
Clio- 1493mm
Merc CLS- 1403
Not much in it really.
Um, for CoG you'll have to take the width into account - the C1/107/Aygo is about as high as it is wide.
By comparison with two other great handling hatches:
107- 1470mm
Ford Ka-1413mm
Clio- 1493mm
Merc CLS- 1403
Not much in it really.
Um, for CoG you'll have to take the width into account - the C1/107/Aygo is about as high as it is wide.
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