What Mi16 engine is this?
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sniff petrol said:
sorrento205 said:
im thinking its a 1.9 because of the inlet manifold, but wiat to be proven wrong!
I'm hoping 1.9 too as it's 5 bhp up and about 20kgs lighter IIRCGot those openers in yet Ben?
the alloy block would be nice, but theres nothing wrong with the iron block if it is that one, its equally useable and tuneable. Either way you got a bargain if it came with the ECU and loom too.
Be prepared for the cost of the rebuild though!
sorrento205 said:
sniff petrol said:
sorrento205 said:
im thinking its a 1.9 because of the inlet manifold, but wiat to be proven wrong!
I'm hoping 1.9 too as it's 5 bhp up and about 20kgs lighter IIRCGot those openers in yet Ben?
the alloy block would be nice, but theres nothing wrong with the iron block if it is that one, its equally useable and tuneable. Either way you got a bargain if it came with the ECU and loom too.
Be prepared for the cost of the rebuild though!
If the trims don't go back on easily then why bother?
I'd heard the alloy block was the one to go for, suppose 20kgs in a stripped out track car would be noticeable. I'm thinking of having another poke around the scrapyard later to see if I can find the car it came off to see what the mileage was and maybe wok out why the car was scrapped (i.e if it's cause it had a knackered engine I'll be pee'd off)
Thank you for all helping to confirm what engine it is in less than 12 hours - the power of PH!
Mi16, 1.9 - if the ECU comes from the same car then it's likely that the engine has a knock sensor as the ECU is the M1.3 (3 row) rather than the more common M4.1 (2 row)
This is the ECU and engine I run and apparently a better standard map.
Got any pics of the other side of the exhaust side of the engine?
This is the ECU and engine I run and apparently a better standard map.
Got any pics of the other side of the exhaust side of the engine?
Edited by Simes205 on Thursday 1st May 08:20
100% an alloy blocked 1905cc. One problem with the later 1.9s is that some were a lower compression CAT version that only had about 147bhp (from memory). I forget how to tell the difference but this could be one...
The other problem is oil surge. Chances are it won't last long on track, though some suffer less than others. Iron-block engines are much better in this respect.
The other problem is oil surge. Chances are it won't last long on track, though some suffer less than others. Iron-block engines are much better in this respect.
RT106 said:
100% an alloy blocked 1905cc. One problem with the later 1.9s is that some were a lower compression CAT version that only had about 147bhp (from memory). I forget how to tell the difference but this could be one...
The other problem is oil surge. Chances are it won't last long on track, though some suffer less than others. Iron-block engines are much better in this respect.
Would it still be down on power if run without a cat then?The other problem is oil surge. Chances are it won't last long on track, though some suffer less than others. Iron-block engines are much better in this respect.
Werewolf on here runs an Mi16 engine in his 205. After a couple of thousand track miles it's not suffered oil surge. He's looked into dry sumping it but settled for an acusump in the end as a precaution.
Whislt the engine's out I'm going to give a it a refresh before dropping it in over the winter (wouldn't want the car out of action during the season if there were problems with the install)
Will have a look to see about getting some baffles welded into the sump - a mate did this to his 2.0 redtop Vauxhall in his Tiger kit car and never suffered problems and he does sprints and hill climbs as well as many trackdays.
you can get a PTS sump baffle, going rate is about £100 but they are made for the 8v tin sumps and take a little bit of modifying to fit the Mi16 alloy sump.
Alternatively you can do as im planning and use the XU10 sump which has a trap door baffle in it, along with the extended oil pump pickup and xu10 windage tray; http://www.taylor-eng.com/sump/wetsump.htm
Alternatively you can do as im planning and use the XU10 sump which has a trap door baffle in it, along with the extended oil pump pickup and xu10 windage tray; http://www.taylor-eng.com/sump/wetsump.htm
sniff petrol said:
Would it still be down on power if run without a cat then?
Werewolf on here runs an Mi16 engine in his 205. After a couple of thousand track miles it's not suffered oil surge. He's looked into dry sumping it but settled for an acusump in the end as a precaution.
Yeah, the affected engines had a lower compression ratio. So removing the CAT might get you a couple of BHP, but by no means all of what you're missing over the early engines. I don't think there were many of this type though so you're probably ok. Werewolf on here runs an Mi16 engine in his 205. After a couple of thousand track miles it's not suffered oil surge. He's looked into dry sumping it but settled for an acusump in the end as a precaution.
It's weird how some suffer from awful surge and some aren't as bad. I had an Mi16 in a 309 years ago that was awful, you couldn't take it near a corner without the gauge dropping. The only time I ever took it on 'track' (Prescott Hillclimb) the light was on at every corner. To be fair it never blew up, but it completely detracted from the point of owning a quick Pug, i.e. its handling. It was properly installed at the correct angle etc etc.
Interestingly I once had a drive of a 205 Mi16 that I was wondering about buying. It had an Accusump and a PTS baffle kit and surged worse than my 309... The lad kept the car and eventually installed a dry-sump kit at vast expense, but it meant he could enjoy corners again which is the whole point.
There's a wealth of information about this on the 205GTidrivers forum. It seems generally accepted that baffling doesn't really work, but if it's well thought out it's probably better than nothing.
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