Discussion
Hi chaps,
Having just sold my Mk2 Golf 16v and with a view to sell my Bravo HGT in a few months, Ive taken a keen interest in 172 Cup's at around the £5-6k mark.
Any owners on here wish to pass comment on them?
What to look out for on them?
Etc...
Will take a look at Cliosport aswell, but just thought Id get the PH perspective too.
Having just sold my Mk2 Golf 16v and with a view to sell my Bravo HGT in a few months, Ive taken a keen interest in 172 Cup's at around the £5-6k mark.
Any owners on here wish to pass comment on them?
What to look out for on them?
Etc...
Will take a look at Cliosport aswell, but just thought Id get the PH perspective too.
They're great cars, love mine 
Check out this thread. I and others posted some known problems and other tips.
http://www.pistonheads.co.uk/gassing/topic.asp?h=0...
ETA - I would'nt pay £6k for one now, £5k should get you one in good nic. And one thing to bear in mind if you are young. Insurance companies are'nt too fond of 172 Cups, it may be a fair bit cheaper to insure a 182 Cup (off-setting the higher purchase price over a couple of years)
Check out this thread. I and others posted some known problems and other tips.
http://www.pistonheads.co.uk/gassing/topic.asp?h=0...
ETA - I would'nt pay £6k for one now, £5k should get you one in good nic. And one thing to bear in mind if you are young. Insurance companies are'nt too fond of 172 Cups, it may be a fair bit cheaper to insure a 182 Cup (off-setting the higher purchase price over a couple of years)
Edited by John D. on Wednesday 5th March 12:16
In that case insurance should not be such an issue. When I got mine I was 23 with zero NCB. Many companies either did not touch 172 Cups or would only insure over 25s'. 172 Cup is a bit of a funny one as it does'nt appear to have an insurance group if you look in the back of EVO for example 
£550 sounds great to me! I'm paying more than twice that (with Elephant)
£550 sounds great to me! I'm paying more than twice that (with Elephant)
172ff said:
Dont go for one of these poverty spec Clio RS. The full fat version is better 
Its only 0.1 secs slower and in day to day driving you wont notice it, plus you get all the toys including ABS!
Agreed, I had a standard 182, fantastic cars, and full of toys. Great car, fantastic performance, a little thirsty IMO but that's a relative statement to make I realise. Its only 0.1 secs slower and in day to day driving you wont notice it, plus you get all the toys including ABS!Great fun, and cup IMO gives you very little advantage on typical day to day use, so go for the toys, aircon alone is a must in the summer.
172ff said:
Dont go for one of these poverty spec Clio RS. The full fat version is better
Please don't start this BS 
172ff said:
Its only 0.1 secs slower and in day to day driving you wont notice it, plus you get all the toys including ABS!
0.1 secs slower than a 182 Cup maybe. EVO timed them at 0.6 secs quicker than a 172FF 
Its horses for course at the end of the day. I've never found the lack of aircon a major problem (in fact it was a pleasant bonus when it came to change the cambelt as it was cheaper). I did'nt buy the car for the interior either.
ABS? I'll give you that
But I'll happily swap that for a superior chassis.I think its telling that at the last Sunday Service I spotted something like 4 other Cups there and a couple of Trophys. They are the enthusiasts choice.
Hi John, I dont mean to say cup is not good, they're stunning, and on a head to head will without a shadow of a doubt have the edge over the standard, and for that reason you're spot on - they're the enthusiasts car.
My recommendation though (and it is purely my own recommendation) is that for day to day use, there's not a lot in it, and for that reason the toys in the full fat model, could be more use than the slight edge which the cup offers.
Both stunningly good value and good performance cars though, so respect to both, each to your own, and all that.
My recommendation though (and it is purely my own recommendation) is that for day to day use, there's not a lot in it, and for that reason the toys in the full fat model, could be more use than the slight edge which the cup offers.
Both stunningly good value and good performance cars though, so respect to both, each to your own, and all that.
Pentoman said:
FF? Cup? Trophy? Arg explain!
I'm a bit depressed by how many local chavs seem to have gotten into 172s. Must give them a beating and hand them a Corsa!
Yes you're right, chavs can just about reach a 172 these days. 182/cup/trophy maybe still just out of reach, but for how long??I'm a bit depressed by how many local chavs seem to have gotten into 172s. Must give them a beating and hand them a Corsa!
Pentoman said:
FF? Cup? Trophy? Arg explain!
FF = Non Cup 172 or 182. FF meaning Full Fat; full weight, full price - all the toys no weight and cost savings etc.Cup = 172 or 182 with some weight and cost savings. Come with Cup suspension. (This is where it can get confusing as the standard FF 182 was available with Cup suspension as an option)
Trophy = Ultimate 182. Based on 182 Cup but with trick dampers and recaros. Limited edition (500 made IRRC)
Think that covers it!
John D. said:
Pentoman said:
FF? Cup? Trophy? Arg explain!
FF = Non Cup 172 or 182. FF meaning Full Fat; full weight, full price - all the toys no weight and cost savings etc.Cup = 172 or 182 with some weight and cost savings. Come with Cup suspension. (This is where it can get confusing as the standard FF 182 was available with Cup suspension as an option)
Trophy = Ultimate 182. Based on 182 Cup but with trick dampers and recaros. Limited edition (500 made IRRC)
Think that covers it!
m4tthew said:
FF? Does that mean a 172 that has been specced with both the cup packs aswell?
No. The "standard" 172 is the FF. There were no Cup packs as an option on the 172. It was a choice of two cars 172 or 172 Cup. FYI air con was an option on the last 172 Cups produced, along with silver paint too.
The differences between the 172 cup and a standard 172FF are quite alot.
The cup is slightly wider,lower and stiffer. It has different dampers and springs. The windscreen is thinner, it has no spare wheel. The interior is rubbish though. Normal 172FF don't come with the cup spoiler or splitter (some cups don't have a splitter either but this is a dealer error). The wheels are far superior on the cup than the 172FF.
It doesnt have:
ABS
Climate
Cruise
Speed limiter
6 disc changer
Xenons
Headlamp washers
Its also only a 4 seater not a 5.
Its 89KG (according to renault) lighter than the Full Fat version.
You can't get a 172FF in the same color as the cup either.
In my opinion it just has less stuff that could go wrong with it. Cambelt changes are cheaper as well (no Aircon pump in the way).
I love mine!
The cup is slightly wider,lower and stiffer. It has different dampers and springs. The windscreen is thinner, it has no spare wheel. The interior is rubbish though. Normal 172FF don't come with the cup spoiler or splitter (some cups don't have a splitter either but this is a dealer error). The wheels are far superior on the cup than the 172FF.
It doesnt have:
ABS
Climate
Cruise
Speed limiter
6 disc changer
Xenons
Headlamp washers
Its also only a 4 seater not a 5.
Its 89KG (according to renault) lighter than the Full Fat version.
You can't get a 172FF in the same color as the cup either.
In my opinion it just has less stuff that could go wrong with it. Cambelt changes are cheaper as well (no Aircon pump in the way).
I love mine!
Both great cars, horses for courses. If you can stretch the budget slightly, go for a cup packed 182. Better chassis than the 172 (and the 172cup IMO) and you get all the toys. The 172cup has a bit of a cult following and the owners are very enthusiastic about them, and refuse to believe that the cupped 182 is better. But, I've never, ever read a review that doesn't agree that the 182 moved the game on. The 182 (cupped) is a proper hot-hatch, not overweight, and plenty quick enough. The 172cup isn't as composed, lacks abs, and is slower (Autocar timed 182 6.3 0-60). No brainer.
PS why leave out ABS but include airbags? Surely better to lose the airbags (weight higher up in the car) than to lose ABS?
PS why leave out ABS but include airbags? Surely better to lose the airbags (weight higher up in the car) than to lose ABS?
pbirkett said:
The proper cup is the 172. The 182 Cup was nothing but a cut price marketing ploy. At least the 172 cup was significantly lighter than the stock model, unlike the 182 cup and 197 cup.
True maybe but they same about the GT3 Porsches nowadays but I'd still have one anyway.(actually for me a basic C2 would be enough)
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