RE: 240,000 Peugeot 307s Recalled
Friday 24th August 2007
240,000 Peugeot 307s Recalled
The Lion has a leak
Another day, another European car has been found with a fault that could kill you.
This time 240,000 Peugeot 307s are broken. It’s nothing major, apart from a fault in the ABS/Stability control system!
A seal in the ABS/ESP hardware case has been found to leak – and as we all know, electricity + water = er, sparks and malfunctions.
So 240,000 cars made between 2003 and 2006 have been recalled, and owners have received letters letting them know that their car might get a bit….er, hairy under braking.
Still, a few less 307s on the road can hardly be a bad thing now, can it?......just as long as nobody gets hurt in the process.
Discussion
The Peugeot Netherlands' official line as per yesterday: "On second thought, there's nothing to worry about - we know the ABS/ESP units are insufficiently sealed but Peugeot is only recalling the ones in some Nordic countries as over here, we haven't had a decent winter in years anyway so what's the chance of a bit of road salt and moisture entering your ECU and buggering up your braking? Exactly. So just carry on as you were..."
Edited by 900T-R on Friday 24th August 10:08
Griffit said:
It shouldn't be too much of an issue should it? Don't people learn to cadence brake anymore or do driving schools only teach in cars with ABS nowadays? ABS is nice but no substitute for good observation, leaving appropriate stopping distances and knowing how to drive without it...
I learnt in car with ABS, then owned a Metro that didn't have it. That was a I think ABS is a good thing.
1) It's helped me out of a couple of otherwise-hairy situations
(like the chap the other day who, coming from the other direction towards the roundabout I was nearly at, decided to turn RIGHT from the LEFT-hand lane of the D-C without indicating...at night!!! Cue major anchors in the damp!!! )
2) More relevantly for the driving gods on this thread, it's stopped a fair few numpties from hitting me!
1) It's helped me out of a couple of otherwise-hairy situations
(like the chap the other day who, coming from the other direction towards the roundabout I was nearly at, decided to turn RIGHT from the LEFT-hand lane of the D-C without indicating...at night!!! Cue major anchors in the damp!!! )
2) More relevantly for the driving gods on this thread, it's stopped a fair few numpties from hitting me!
This is not going to get better in our industry. Toyota were famed for build and reliability. Those where the days when things were not rushed and consumers would except 'bland but reliable'. But now we want more. Quicker, faster, better looking, more toys safer.
LCI's (Life Cycle Impulses), probably due to how people finance and change cars every 18 months (not 3 years!!) manufacturers are pumping out units. And to capture their existing customers and conquests, must have new, better, more economy etc.
Sadly - we are now the Guinea pigs, and near road testing the cars. This is the supermarket style of the motor business. BMW 1 series redeveloped after 18 Months! The new X5, launched in April this year will be updated in November this year! Warrantee work is a big business, hence most dealerships make more from service and warrantee than sales!
LCI's (Life Cycle Impulses), probably due to how people finance and change cars every 18 months (not 3 years!!) manufacturers are pumping out units. And to capture their existing customers and conquests, must have new, better, more economy etc.
Sadly - we are now the Guinea pigs, and near road testing the cars. This is the supermarket style of the motor business. BMW 1 series redeveloped after 18 Months! The new X5, launched in April this year will be updated in November this year! Warrantee work is a big business, hence most dealerships make more from service and warrantee than sales!
brandguru said:
LCI's (Life Cycle Impulses), probably due to how people finance and change cars every 18 months (not 3 years!!)
Where would that be, then? If UK, no wonder that people on £40K+ incomes complain about not being able to afford anything decent... Overall, the trend is the reverse due to more expensive cars and stable or declining disposable income: the average time that a car remains in the possession of the original owner, is now 58 months in The Netherlands.
The ever shortening product cycles are due to a) the fleet market where brand loyalty is low and most punters are inclined to choose the latest, 'freshest' vehicle come renewal time and b) legislation (safety/emissions mostly).
Edited by 900T-R on Friday 24th August 10:54
900T-R said:
brandguru said:
LCI's (Life Cycle Impulses), probably due to how people finance and change cars every 18 months (not 3 years!!)
Where would that be, then? If UK, no wonder that people on £40K+ incomes complain about not being able to afford anything decent... Overall, the trend is the reverse due to more expensive cars and stable or declining disposable income: the average time that a car remains in the possession of the original owner, is now 58 months in The Netherlands.
Cars may be more expensive, but if you can offset the total value - the cost per month is less. Buying a New car can work out cheaper than a used one per month.
brandguru said:
Buying a New car can work out cheaper than a used one per month.
If you disregard the fact that at the end of the term with PCP, you're left with nowt, while the traditionally financed used motor will still be yours after the last payment.Love it how people can delude themselves that buying a new (mainstream) car and chopping it in right after it has suffered the free-fall part of its depreciation curve, can be a financially advantageous thing.
900T-R said:
Love it how people can delude themselves that buying a new (mainstream) car and chopping it in right after it has suffered the free-fall part of its depreciation curve, can be a financially advantageous thing.
Scientists should start working on how to harness the power of self-delusion...it'd solve the global warming and energy crises in one go!!!
900T-R said:
brandguru said:
Buying a New car can work out cheaper than a used one per month.
If you disregard the fact that at the end of the term with PCP, you're left with nowt, while the traditionally financed used motor will still be yours after the last payment.Love it how people can delude themselves that buying a new (mainstream) car and chopping it in right after it has suffered the free-fall part of its depreciation curve, can be a financially advantageous thing.
Nobody said it was the best thing to do, but it is the most successful method of finance at the moment. Also, the rate you finance at can be less than your seavings are gaining. BMW finance at 5% (if you are smart) and Most savings are 6% - If I had 30K to send on a car, I'd take the deposit contribution discount and keep my cash in the bank, compounding rather than in a depreciating asset.
That said - I run classics
Cliffv8 said:
why do people buy Peugrots and shitrons? I just don't undersand someone going in to a show room and say huummm thats a nice car, I really like the nice cheap feel to it
Once upon a time you'd forgive the comic build quality as a good Pug was a joy to drive. I still remember the first time I opened the glovebox on my 309 and it promptly ended up in the passenger footwell! Sadly the dynamics left a long time ago and the quality control remains...I think that the 307 is already one of the least reliable car ever, statistically. This is not gonna help. One has to be mad to buy a French car. The only one I would buy is the cheeky 107, which is engineered by Toyota and built under their standards.
Edited by nickfrog on Friday 24th August 12:27
Having had a couple of 205 1.9 GTi's, I can honestly say Peugeot know how to make good cars. They just seem to struggle with technology. My 205's had no ABS, no power steering, no engine immobilisers, no traction control - hence not much to go wrong. They should go back to that rather than these overweight comfy mobile MP3 players with no feel that they produce now.
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