Thinking of trading upto a clio 172 or 182

Thinking of trading upto a clio 172 or 182

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sunnydelight

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548 posts

223 months

Monday 9th July 2007
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I currently have a bog standard 2004 1.2 Clio used as the runabout/shopping car/something for the wife to use and abuse(keeps her away from my PJ!)

But after being taken for a spin in my mates 172 I'm totally in love and must have one.

So just a couple of Q’s really, is it a safe car for the wife to drive(to powerful maybe?) Is it okay to leave it parked up pretty much anywhere or does it get too much attention? Which version to go for? Also can anyone recommend a friendly Renault dealer in the London area?

CooperS

4,539 posts

226 months

Monday 9th July 2007
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1) Its a safe car to drive and doesnt unleash much power till you get over the 5k rpm mark.
2) It is pretty descreate and so doesnt draw that much attention only fellow PH will appricate the car for what it is.
3) Go for a 182 ff both cup packs etc. Some will say go for a 172/182 cup but for the 0.01 quick to 60 you get a whole lot less of a car (no climate control, basic seats etc). Also a 172 cup is a higher insurance group due to the lack of traction control. But saying that a 172 ff is alot cheaper nowadays and can be had for 4.5 - 5k compared to a 182 at around 7.5 - 8k? and isnt much slower and looks the same just minus the twin exhaust - depends on budget i suppose.

Go onto Cliosport.net, lots of owners there but the advise will be basically the same, just with some who think the cup is a much better car than the ff....


Edited by CooperS on Monday 9th July 14:19

Baldylocks

18,468 posts

216 months

Monday 9th July 2007
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FF means Full-Fat btw (as in all the toys; not 'Cup' spec) wink

And the 172 Cup is much better than them all biggrin.........being serious I agree with CooperS: 182 with both Cup packs is probably the way to go - 182 Cup has negligable weight advantage to offset the lack of toys and leather (bit of a waste of time IMO)

And 172 Cup insurance is more expensive because they get crashed more often. Most likely as ABS was deleated from the FF 172 (along with traction control, but you don't really need that)

ETA - Should be fine for your missus; bought mine off a women who'd done 33k in it from new.

Edited by Baldylocks on Monday 9th July 14:49

sunnydelight

Original Poster:

548 posts

223 months

Monday 9th July 2007
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Thanks for the adive guys, I was planning on popping into Renualt west london this weekend to see what they have and what they can do for me, hopefully they can work me out a deal that I can afford otherwise its dream over!

Dan x2c

144 posts

226 months

Tuesday 10th July 2007
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Good choice on car....i've had my 172 Cup for 18 months and love it to bits.

It is safe for the wife to drive, fairly refined, unless you decide to boot it.

If both of you are driving it i'd def go for one of the F/F model's, either a 172 mk2 or a 182 w/cup packs. Some nice climate control and leather/alcantara seats plus safety features.

Def safe to park up, mines a Cup with no interior whatsoever except a couple of buckets and I park it anywhere and it's always been fine (touchwood)

As for a friendly Renault dealer....i'd try R-Sport (formally Radbourne Racing) in Wimbledon, or if it's servicing your looking for Mak Fish Motorsport in Harlow, thats where my car is right now

warren182

1,091 posts

217 months

Thursday 12th July 2007
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Go for a mk1 172. I've owned a mk2 172 and a 182 cup, mk1 172 is more fun than either. Throttle cable, and quickest 0-60. And cheap!!

Baldylocks

18,468 posts

216 months

Thursday 12th July 2007
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Quickest 0-60? scratchchin

Agree they are cheap as chips now. Brilliant value for money. And cable throttle is a definate bonus (I'd quite like that)

warren182

1,091 posts

217 months

Friday 13th July 2007
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Yep, EVO ran a 172 mk1 and mk2, then a trophy. Quickest they ever tested was the mk1. Think it's because they are lighter than the mk2, and the slightly softer suspension aids traction off the line. It's got a very 'pointy' front end, turn in is so sharp.

Karen182

4,214 posts

241 months

Saturday 21st July 2007
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Is your wife particularly crap or nervous at driving then?! Seems a strange thing to say!

I've had mine for 3 and a bit years, got the 182. I prefer it in looks as it has the twin exhaust - but depends what you want to pay. The 172 was a more discrete looking car I guess.

Go over onto Cliosport and check out the second hand prices on there - even if you dont buy from someone on there you'll at least know what you should be paying.

Edited by Karen182 on Saturday 21st July 23:47

Baldylocks

18,468 posts

216 months

Wednesday 25th July 2007
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[quote=warren182]Yep, EVO ran a 172 mk1 and mk2, then a trophy. Quickest they ever tested was the mk1.[quote]

So what did the mk1 make? quicker than 6.5 secs to 60?

They've got smaller wheels too (15" compared to 16&quotwink which must aid acceleration.

warren182

1,091 posts

217 months

Saturday 28th July 2007
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Owned a 172 then a 182 cup. I'd go for a 172, 182 doesn't have that much more in terms of handling. Knowing renaults power outputs, you're not gonna notice any speed difference, my 172 always felt slightly quicker if anything. 182 cup is not the irrelevance people who haven't driven it think, mine was ordered with recaro's (so no leather anyway), still had AC (climate control on these cars has a mind of its own), and corrected one of the 182's biggest faults by coming with a slightly smaller steering wheels without rubber grips that disintegrate.

Baldylocks

18,468 posts

216 months

Saturday 28th July 2007
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warren182 said:
182 cup is not the irrelevance people who haven't driven it think, mine was ordered with recaro's (so no leather anyway), still had AC (climate control on these cars has a mind of its own), and corrected one of the 182's biggest faults by coming with a slightly smaller steering wheels without rubber grips that disintegrate.
So what?? Were Recaros not an option on the standard 182 model too? I think they were wink What is your point?

The 182 Cup is pretty pointless as you can get all its goodies on a standard 182. The difference between them is too slim.

warren182

1,091 posts

217 months

Tuesday 31st July 2007
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Well, you mentioned lack of leather as a reason for going for the full fat 182, but if you have recaro's you lose the leather back seats, so the only interior difference is climate versus standard air con. Having driven both, the steering weight is deff. better in the 182cup. Neither are bad cars, but for me the only reason for getting a full fat would be climate control, knowing how inaccurate the system is I prefer standard air con. Like I've said, I'd have a mk1 over all of them (trophy included), cable throttle, better air box design, more aggressive handling setup, and as light as a 172cup.

Baldylocks

18,468 posts

216 months

Thursday 2nd August 2007
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warren182 said:
and as light as a 172cup.
Not quite wink

172 Cup 1011kg
mk1 172 1059kg

It does have the advantage of a spare wheel though paperbag

Woza

1,253 posts

243 months

Thursday 9th August 2007
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get a 182, you'll love it!!


rev-erend

21,536 posts

291 months

Friday 17th August 2007
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Go for it - you will love it.

My g/f drives mine without any problems at all..

It's a great little car with nice handling and it's only when you really rev it high that you realise just how quick it is.

You really need to have a firm grip on the wheel - as it's quite flighty at high revs..

matt frost

783 posts

258 months

Friday 17th August 2007
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warren182 said:
Well, you mentioned lack of leather as a reason for going for the full fat 182, but if you have recaro's you lose the leather back seats, so the only interior difference is climate versus standard air con. Having driven both, the steering weight is deff. better in the 182cup. Neither are bad cars, but for me the only reason for getting a full fat would be climate control, knowing how inaccurate the system is I prefer standard air con. Like I've said, I'd have a mk1 over all of them (trophy included), cable throttle, better air box design, more aggressive handling setup, and as light as a 172cup.
more aggressive handling setup on a mk1 than a trophy....LOL and not too sure on the quickest 0-60 being the mk1 either...not in the figures I have read...its 6.6 is it not? oh well, not important!

Anyway, I have a 182 Trophy which is the best of the lot.

In a straight line you will not find a difference between every model out there...handling basically gets better the newer the model...braking is great on all of them...they are all practical, all can be parked anywhere without a hassle, can be driven slowly no problema nd some great options for tuning and mods too.

which one to get?? entirely depends on your budget and what you want. The Cup and trophy models aren't quite as luxury ...its basically:

172mk1: abs, a/c not climate control, no cruise control, dodgy 2 coloured interior
172 mk2: abs, cruise control, climate control, alcantara front and rear seats and doors, traction control
172 cup: cotton front and rear seats and doors, no abs, no tcs, no a/c, no cruise control
182: same as 172 mk2
182 cup: same as 182 but with ac instead of climate control and cotton seats, some have optional recaros
182 trophy: same as 182 recaro leather and alcantara front seats, cotton rear seats, a/c instead of c/c, abs, traction control, cotton door trim

172 mk1 - 2.5-4k
172mk2 - 4-6k
172 Cup - 5-6k
182/Cup - 6-10k
trophy 9-12k

warren182

1,091 posts

217 months

Saturday 18th August 2007
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Try a mk1 before you start the trophy loving. Turn in is cup racer sharp. The trophy is not the be-all and end all, why is the 182 cup quicker on evo's track? Like I said before, all great cars, but is the trophy 5k better than the mk1 172?? The mk1 has better throttle response, is lighter, has a spare wheel, better air box design. If money were no object I'd take the trophy (mainly to have the adjustable dampers), but not at 5k extra. If I had 9k to spend, I'd have a dc2 integra, not a clio!

warren182

1,091 posts

217 months

Saturday 18th August 2007
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loose cannon

6,038 posts

248 months

Friday 24th August 2007
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i will vouch for the mk1 having better throttle response
i wouldnt say the performance is much greater to be honest ive driven loads off all modells some are quicker some arnt. every car is different. reference handling are you really gonna be botherd with the difference in handling they all handle well, unless your on the track constantly i wouldnt be to worried about it
the only reason i would choose a mk1 over the others would be the cable'd throttle and price