Anyone Got A 206 Gti 180 ??
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Hi All
I'm looking at possibly getting a 180 in the near future.
Has anyone got one and if so can you tell me any things to look out for. I used to have a Gti 138 and I've test driven a 180 today although the one i looked at had higher than average miles. Still in excellent condition though.
What sort of fuel economy can i expect from a 180 ?? I've checked out insurance and thats fine, coming in at around £500 for me..
Any general advice would be great..
Thanks
I'm looking at possibly getting a 180 in the near future.
Has anyone got one and if so can you tell me any things to look out for. I used to have a Gti 138 and I've test driven a 180 today although the one i looked at had higher than average miles. Still in excellent condition though.
What sort of fuel economy can i expect from a 180 ?? I've checked out insurance and thats fine, coming in at around £500 for me..
Any general advice would be great..
Thanks
350wedge said:
Any general advice would be great..
Yes. Get a Clio 182 instead.
Seriously though, have you driven a clio as well? If not you should. Most reviews where the two are compared usually seem to prefer the clio.
Anyhow if its anything like my 182 it should get 25 - 30 MPG even when spanked.
I'd agree with that, having driven the top-spec HDi 206 for a tie. While its a little short on power compared to the 180 (rumours are the diesel was down-tuned so as not to embaress the 180 on bhp) it was endowed with more torque and I believe the same chassis. While it is OK it didn't handle well, understeering it around roundabouts was amusing, but nothing like controlling your slip angle with your right foot as you can on a 172/182.
But, looking at it from another angle, it'd probably be better than the Renaultsport for long-distance mile munching.
But, looking at it from another angle, it'd probably be better than the Renaultsport for long-distance mile munching.
Funny you should mention that, i went to have a look at a Clio 172 Cup today which is fairly local. Buggers wouldnt let me take it for a test drive though, unless i was more or less prepared to put a deposit down and buy it!! Walked away from that one. (this was'nt a Renault dealer i hasten to add).
By contrast the Peugeot dealership i saw the 180 at bent over backwards to help me out, and the salesman i dealt with was excellent, no hard sell at all. Very impressed with their service.
I am considering a Clio Cup as well, though having the extra toys in the 180 makes for a good overall experience as well as being just that little bit larger. The seats in the 180 are fantastic, much better than the Clio's. I used to own a 138 206 Gti and as far as i can tell the 180 is'nt massivly faster but the engine is better revving and the ride is better i think.
By contrast the Peugeot dealership i saw the 180 at bent over backwards to help me out, and the salesman i dealt with was excellent, no hard sell at all. Very impressed with their service.
I am considering a Clio Cup as well, though having the extra toys in the 180 makes for a good overall experience as well as being just that little bit larger. The seats in the 180 are fantastic, much better than the Clio's. I used to own a 138 206 Gti and as far as i can tell the 180 is'nt massivly faster but the engine is better revving and the ride is better i think.
If you want the extra toys on the clio, just get a full fat model, preferably a 182 as it gives the performance of the 172 Cup model due to having a little more power, but you get the luxuries thrown in as well. You can get the cup suspension pack on that too. Theres not much point in the 182 Cup over the 182 because unlike the old 172's, the weight saving is a paltry 20 kg.
I've not sat in the GTI-180, but the seats in it do look nice, I must say.
I've not sat in the GTI-180, but the seats in it do look nice, I must say.
After my TVR and saxo are sold i'll have a theoretical budget of around £11k but i'm only gonna spend £8k max on next car. Mainly due to me moving in the new year and i need to free up a little cash.
I'm not too keen on the 207 at the moment, maybe the proper GTi turbo will look better. In any case its well out of budget for now. I much prefer the 206 shape and of course its smaller than the 207. Why are so called 'small' cars getting so big these days (and heavier!!). Hence my interest as well in a 172 Cup.
I'm not too keen on the 207 at the moment, maybe the proper GTi turbo will look better. In any case its well out of budget for now. I much prefer the 206 shape and of course its smaller than the 207. Why are so called 'small' cars getting so big these days (and heavier!!). Hence my interest as well in a 172 Cup.
Edited by 350wedge on Friday 29th December 22:28
I'd say don't touch a Pug 206 with a bargepole. T'other half, in a moment of madness, bought a 14k 04reg 206GTI which is the biggest pile of cack ever to disgrace the driveway. The only virtue it has I can think of is it's brilliant handling. The rest? Well squeaks and rattles from all the flimsy bits of plastic the interior is kind of thrown together with, a horrible, horrible, vauge, klunky, notchy gearchange that's a real handicap to a crisp quick change, a wierd driving position that brings on backache after an hour or so. The 2.0 lump is oddly breathless, yet harsh when thrashed and the gearing is way, way too low for any distance at speed.
We've had it for long enough to be really dissapointed. I'd sell it tomorrow if I could. It's a seriously frustrating car and the faster you try to drive it the worse it gets.
My Son's 1.1 Renault 5 is more fun. Honestly.
We've had it for long enough to be really dissapointed. I'd sell it tomorrow if I could. It's a seriously frustrating car and the faster you try to drive it the worse it gets.
My Son's 1.1 Renault 5 is more fun. Honestly.
jaguar steve said:
I'd say don't touch a Pug 206 with a bargepole. T'other half, in a moment of madness, bought a 14k 04reg 206GTI which is the biggest pile of cack ever to disgrace the driveway. The only virtue it has I can think of is it's brilliant handling. The rest? Well squeaks and rattles from all the flimsy bits of plastic the interior is kind of thrown together with, a horrible, horrible, vauge, klunky, notchy gearchange that's a real handicap to a crisp quick change, a wierd driving position that brings on backache after an hour or so. The 2.0 lump is oddly breathless, yet harsh when thrashed and the gearing is way, way too low for any distance at speed.
We've had it for long enough to be really dissapointed. I'd sell it tomorrow if I could. It's a seriously frustrating car and the faster you try to drive it the worse it gets.
My Son's 1.1 Renault 5 is more fun. Honestly.
We've had it for long enough to be really dissapointed. I'd sell it tomorrow if I could. It's a seriously frustrating car and the faster you try to drive it the worse it gets.
My Son's 1.1 Renault 5 is more fun. Honestly.
I'm very suprised to hear that, I had a 206 Gti 138 for three years (2001 model) and found it extremely well put together, no squeeks, rattles etc . I agree the driving position isnt ideal but i've never had a problem with it. Engine in mine was fine once it was bedded in. I owned the car from brand new and traded it in for a Subaru Impreza in the end. Still got a good trade in price for it as well. I guess there will always be good and bad cars produced.
My mate had a gti 180 for a short period and i wasnt very impressed with it. The performance and handling were both poor compaired to my clio. The interior was nicer but that was the only positive thing about the car in my opinion. He only had the car for about 4-5 weeks before he p/x for a clio trophy! For the money there are much better cars.
OK
First of all, have a look at the posts which start with,
"I've read..."
or
"Most reviews..."
or
"My mate says...."
or
"The 138 Gti is....."
I have owned a 180 GTi for the last two years. It hasn't missed a beat (apart from one rogue airbag "glitch" which was sorted under warranty)
I intended to keep it for two years and then get rid, but I'll be keeping it for at least another 12 months. I love it. It's quick, the handling is very good, it comes with all the toys as standard and yes, the seats ARE as good as they look!
In my opinion it's a great motor. Comparing the 138 to the 180 is like comparing chalk and cheese.
I get 27ish mpg. (I tend to drive it fairly quickly - It is a nice car to drive quickly.) That said, if you were to drive it "sensibly" you would easily get over 30mpg out of it.
Things to watch out for? Not a lot really. The alloys. They are VERY prone to kerbing if you're not careful due to the fact that the rim is almost level with the tyre. The exhaust system is a bit of a work of art, and there have been owners who've had problems with them (failing with low mileage) but mine's fine.
Check that its been serviced every 12,000 not 20,000. There was some confusion with some dealers.
There has been a recall for a s/w update. check that it's been done.
There's a good owners forum for the 180. If you're interested, I'll get the address and post it up?
Before I bought mine, I test drove loads of comparable stuff.(Clio's/Type r/Old focus st/megane 22) From what I'd read, I really wasn't expecting to really like the 180, but for me, it was head and shoulders above it's competition at the time.
I should really be telling you that, "its a load of old french tat which will fall apart in 10 minutes,and that you should buy a {*insert car that everybody has*}", but I'm afraid I can't.
Get a long test drive in one. It's the only way you'll know if it's for you!
Cheers
Lofty.
First of all, have a look at the posts which start with,
"I've read..."
or
"Most reviews..."
or
"My mate says...."
or
"The 138 Gti is....."
I have owned a 180 GTi for the last two years. It hasn't missed a beat (apart from one rogue airbag "glitch" which was sorted under warranty)
I intended to keep it for two years and then get rid, but I'll be keeping it for at least another 12 months. I love it. It's quick, the handling is very good, it comes with all the toys as standard and yes, the seats ARE as good as they look!
In my opinion it's a great motor. Comparing the 138 to the 180 is like comparing chalk and cheese.
I get 27ish mpg. (I tend to drive it fairly quickly - It is a nice car to drive quickly.) That said, if you were to drive it "sensibly" you would easily get over 30mpg out of it.
Things to watch out for? Not a lot really. The alloys. They are VERY prone to kerbing if you're not careful due to the fact that the rim is almost level with the tyre. The exhaust system is a bit of a work of art, and there have been owners who've had problems with them (failing with low mileage) but mine's fine.
Check that its been serviced every 12,000 not 20,000. There was some confusion with some dealers.
There has been a recall for a s/w update. check that it's been done.
There's a good owners forum for the 180. If you're interested, I'll get the address and post it up?
Before I bought mine, I test drove loads of comparable stuff.(Clio's/Type r/Old focus st/megane 22) From what I'd read, I really wasn't expecting to really like the 180, but for me, it was head and shoulders above it's competition at the time.
I should really be telling you that, "its a load of old french tat which will fall apart in 10 minutes,and that you should buy a {*insert car that everybody has*}", but I'm afraid I can't.
Get a long test drive in one. It's the only way you'll know if it's for you!
Cheers
Lofty.
Mmmmm, good point. I've heard some owners are delighted, others are, like me sorry they ever bought one.
We drove several quick small cars, including Golfs, Focus, Clio and Seats and as a bit of a wild card, a Toyota MR2, I preferred the Renault but caved in under domestic pressure and agreed to buy the Pug. Trouble is. 'er indoors loves the styling, is 5' nothing with short legs so fits it like a glove and isn't enough of a nutter to show up the Pug's shortcomings.
I'm going to try some synthetic gearbox oil to see if the gearchange improves, and fiddle around with the seating position which for me are the worst two aspects of the car.
Thing that pi**es me off most of all is that for less than half the price we could have bought somthing that's a real hoot to drive,
Clio Williams anyone?
We drove several quick small cars, including Golfs, Focus, Clio and Seats and as a bit of a wild card, a Toyota MR2, I preferred the Renault but caved in under domestic pressure and agreed to buy the Pug. Trouble is. 'er indoors loves the styling, is 5' nothing with short legs so fits it like a glove and isn't enough of a nutter to show up the Pug's shortcomings.
I'm going to try some synthetic gearbox oil to see if the gearchange improves, and fiddle around with the seating position which for me are the worst two aspects of the car.
Thing that pi**es me off most of all is that for less than half the price we could have bought somthing that's a real hoot to drive,
Clio Williams anyone?
306 Gti6 is better unless you want the 206 shape/newer car!
Personally the Clio/Cup and 206 180 are miles apart. Take a look side by side and the Clio is terribly over-priced for what is ultimately a bargain basement car with a big engine!
I had a good look round two examples at a large idependent, the Clio is just so small cheap and naff. Yes they are great driving cars, but I honestly couldn't part with nigh on £10k when say the 306 Gti6 does the same for half as much (albeit older but who gives a crap if your buying a driving hatch?)
The 206 on the other hand looks lots nicer (ok thats my opinion), the details are nice and not cheap looking. Just stood there looking at the two the Peugeot would get me parting with £10k.
As per driving, no idea, but half the gripes I've ever read with the 206 180 was due to the wheel/tyre combo. Big heavy 17's on a light car do the unsprung/sprung ratio no favours, and the rubber is a bit naff... My Gti6 for instance had some aftermarket 17's on, with cheap tyres (WHY people do this is beyond me), and it tramlined, got wheel tramp, followed cambers, skittered all over the shop and generally drove like crap! I went to stock 15's and new Eagle F1's and the handling was transformed...
Soooo, get one, put on some Eagle F1's to start with, erring towards the narrowest you can get away with (wide tyres are NOT needed on a car that weighs so little, they just corrupt the handling)...
Dave
Personally the Clio/Cup and 206 180 are miles apart. Take a look side by side and the Clio is terribly over-priced for what is ultimately a bargain basement car with a big engine!
I had a good look round two examples at a large idependent, the Clio is just so small cheap and naff. Yes they are great driving cars, but I honestly couldn't part with nigh on £10k when say the 306 Gti6 does the same for half as much (albeit older but who gives a crap if your buying a driving hatch?)
The 206 on the other hand looks lots nicer (ok thats my opinion), the details are nice and not cheap looking. Just stood there looking at the two the Peugeot would get me parting with £10k.
As per driving, no idea, but half the gripes I've ever read with the 206 180 was due to the wheel/tyre combo. Big heavy 17's on a light car do the unsprung/sprung ratio no favours, and the rubber is a bit naff... My Gti6 for instance had some aftermarket 17's on, with cheap tyres (WHY people do this is beyond me), and it tramlined, got wheel tramp, followed cambers, skittered all over the shop and generally drove like crap! I went to stock 15's and new Eagle F1's and the handling was transformed...
Soooo, get one, put on some Eagle F1's to start with, erring towards the narrowest you can get away with (wide tyres are NOT needed on a car that weighs so little, they just corrupt the handling)...
Dave
Cheers for all the replys folks....
I used to have a 306 Rallye so know just how good they are. Trouble is they are all getting a bit old and finding good ones are very difficult. The only thing that annoyed me about it was a lack of turning circle going right due to the six speed box !! Oh and lack of electric windows !!
I need to buy something that is going to be totally reliable hence looking for something only a couple of years old. Mind you if i could find a low mileage black Rallye...!
I used to have a 306 Rallye so know just how good they are. Trouble is they are all getting a bit old and finding good ones are very difficult. The only thing that annoyed me about it was a lack of turning circle going right due to the six speed box !! Oh and lack of electric windows !!
I need to buy something that is going to be totally reliable hence looking for something only a couple of years old. Mind you if i could find a low mileage black Rallye...!
350wedge said:
I need to buy something that is going to be totally reliable hence looking for something only a couple of years old. Mind you if i could find a low mileage black Rallye...!
Get a Gti6 so you get nicer seats (mmm, half leather and alcantara not naff cloth), and the leather steering wheel (really is nicer), and leccy wing mirrors (heated too) and leccy windows. You can also get upto 51 plate's on Gti6's, there is one for sale now I think somewhere, with about 25k miles.
Yeah reliability is an issue, but if it's looked after I see no reason why an old car is any less reliable than a new one. I've never (touch wood) been let down by older cars, yet lots of people I know with newer cars are let down often.
Guess it depends if you can afford the depreciation for a newer car. If you can then fair enough, but if your not averse to a little spending on an older car you'll save money in the long run and you already know how nice they are as a fun hatchback.
Good luck either way, but I'd be different and go with the underdog, not the common and rather obvious Clio 1x2 Cup Trophy blah blah...
Dave
Tell you what though.... You could try to trace a company in Sussex? Surrey? called Just GTI's. No idea if they are still trading but we looked a couple of years ago when we first got the itch for a quick motor and they had some nice origional 205 and 306's. Mad money prices for old Peugeots, but if you really want one...
350wedge said:
Funny you should mention that, i went to have a look at a Clio 172 Cup today which is fairly local. Buggers wouldnt let me take it for a test drive though, unless i was more or less prepared to put a deposit down and buy it!! Walked away from that one. (this was'nt a Renault dealer i hasten to add).
I've had this with a 182 from a dealer who wanted £250 for a test drive, but not heard of it otherwise. I wonder if its due to the lack of ABS on the 1723 Cup, some insurers won't touch it because of that.Tripps said:
350wedge said:
Funny you should mention that, i went to have a look at a Clio 172 Cup today which is fairly local. Buggers wouldnt let me take it for a test drive though, unless i was more or less prepared to put a deposit down and buy it!! Walked away from that one. (this was'nt a Renault dealer i hasten to add).
I've had this with a 182 from a dealer who wanted £250 for a test drive, but not heard of it otherwise. I wonder if its due to the lack of ABS on the 1723 Cup, some insurers won't touch it because of that.Weird really, considering around 10 years ago ABS was pretty rare on a car that size.
Never got the test drive only if your buying. WHY? If your buying it, it's YOURS anyway, stupid or what
Worrying that some people expect you to pay for something you haven't driven. Fair enough if you just want a car cos it looks nice, but a *driving* car is sold on the way it drives! Hence the need to drive it
Dave
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