205 Gti

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willyp

Original Poster:

9 posts

216 months

Friday 24th November 2006
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Have recently bought a 1.9 Gti which I am very pleased with.
Was wondering if anyone has modified one to help it "breathe easier."
Don't want it to end up like it should be in a McDonalds car park at the weekend!!! but some more ponies would be nicE!!

egomeister

6,862 posts

270 months

Friday 24th November 2006
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You can't go far wrong with a standard pug exhaust (genuine item) or a Peugeot Sport Group N version.

Not sure what's best on the induction side though.. just make sure that if you have a induction kit it's well fed with cool air.

sorrento205

2,875 posts

243 months

Friday 24th November 2006
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an extra 8 valves makes breathing a lot easier hehe

seriously though, look for a k&n style induction kit for sale on ebay or a 205 specific forum, but dont spend too much on it, you wont find it makes any difference apart from auraly

the_stoat

509 posts

218 months

Friday 24th November 2006
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I would not bother with any induction filtering. A K&N kit was on my 1.9 when I bought it and I promptly took it off. Going back to standard gave far greater fuel economy with no apparent loss to performance.

If you have a look at the standard layout and aftermarket layout as yourself which one has direct access to cold air and which one sits in the hot engine bay?

_dobbo_

14,617 posts

255 months

Friday 24th November 2006
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I saw one the other day where the AFM had been turned through 90 degrees and had a cone filter bolted directly onto it behind the passenger headlight. Looked quite neat and avoided the heat from the exhaust manifold.

mtomlin

206 posts

222 months

Saturday 25th November 2006
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I suggest you save your pennys and buy yourself something a little more manly, if you want to breath easier you could always open the window!

Mikey G

4,778 posts

247 months

Saturday 25th November 2006
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mtomlin said:
I suggest you save your pennys and buy yourself something a little more manly, if you want to breath easier you could always open the window!


Eh? rolleyes

Alpineandy

1,395 posts

250 months

Saturday 25th November 2006
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you could ask these guys : www.spooxcomponents.co.uk/
or : www.specialtuninguk.co.uk/
or : www.justgtis.com/



Edited by Alpineandy on Sunday 26th November 11:51

vapy

115 posts

229 months

Saturday 25th November 2006
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hi mate sound like you got yourself nice car i had a silver 1.9 few years ago awsom little cars! why not drop MI engine in there 160bhp standard .My mate has a 1.6gti with one in and its awsom looks bog standard in every way she loves it

simes205

4,651 posts

235 months

Sunday 26th November 2006
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Alpineandy said:
you could ask these guys : www.spooxcomponents.co.uk/
or :
or : www.justgtis.com/



Edited by Alpineandy on Sunday 26th November 11:51



please don't go to these people.

I'd leave all the induction and exhaust as standard unless you have other things planned.

busta

4,504 posts

240 months

Sunday 26th November 2006
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vapy said:
hi mate sound like you got yourself nice car i had a silver 1.9 few years ago awsom little cars! why not drop MI engine in there 160bhp standard .My mate has a 1.6gti with one in and its awsom looks bog standard in every way she loves it


Why does everyone always harp on about putting in MI16s? Everyone knows they are faster, but everyone also knows that MI16 205s arent much more expensive than an un modified 1.9 thus everyone makes a choice between the 2 when they buy. And if somebody is looking to just improve breathing it's not likely he wants a new engine and expensive conversion (compared to the price of buying a 205 with an MI16 already in).

Personally I would leave the breathing as it is unless you want a little more noise.
And behind the headlight isn't the best position as It is out of the ambient air flow coming through the grill. As close to the standard intake as possible is the best.

Mikey G

4,778 posts

247 months

Sunday 26th November 2006
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busta said:

Personally I would leave the breathing as it is unless you want a little more noise.
And behind the headlight isn't the best position as It is out of the ambient air flow coming through the grill. As close to the standard intake as possible is the best.


There are 2 sides to this, there may be cooler air getting in through the front grill but why put a bloody great filter box above the exhaust at the back of the engine! this in effect acts as an interwarmer as i like to put it hehe
Unfortunatly with the design of the 205 engine bay getting cool air onto a filter behind the headlight is difficult. Also a lot of the induction kits i have seen the filter is a little small, but fitting a bigger one is again difficult. This is why a lot of people do not see great gains from fitting them.
The other option would be to leave the AFM where it is, and see if you can get an enclosed filter down the front somewhere with a 'U' pipe to connect to it at the back, with the filter down there it should be easy to get cold air from just under the lower bumper. This would be easier if the battery was elsewhere or smaller.

If money allows, junk the lot and fit carbs or throttle bodies

Alpineandy

1,395 posts

250 months

Sunday 26th November 2006
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simes205 said:
Alpineandy said:
you could ask these guys : www.spooxcomponents.co.uk/
or : www.justgtis.com/

please don't go to these people.
I'd leave all the induction and exhaust as standard unless you have other things planned.


I'm not a 205 man but I'd heard good things about spoox.
I mentioned the other crowd because they don't look like a 'neons and silly wings' operation, but willing to be told different.

Willyp

Original Poster:

9 posts

216 months

Tuesday 28th November 2006
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Thanks for the help. I probably should of asked-
HOw do I get more ponies!!

sorrento205

2,875 posts

243 months

Tuesday 28th November 2006
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there is no real cheap way of getting more performance from your 8v engine. the best bhp per £ is the tried and tested MI16 conversion though this does radically change the characteristics of driving the pug.

If your serious about tuning the 8v, then read this first www.pumaracing.co.uk/pug2058v.htm

TimmerTVR

387 posts

222 months

Tuesday 28th November 2006
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Really interesting article that. Was looking at buying bits for the pug but now seems pointless, may just try and make it look nice as i certainly cant afford the 16v engine.

Am looking at buying an ekotec valve to stop the "kangaroo" effect.

Mikey G

4,778 posts

247 months

Tuesday 28th November 2006
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TimmerTVR said:
Am looking at buying an ekotec valve to stop the "kangaroo" effect.


No, do not go there...

WILLYP

Original Poster:

9 posts

216 months

Tuesday 28th November 2006
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Thanks Sorrento.
When I started looking at 205's I looked at a M16 that was a DOG, then I came across my Miami Blue 1.9 which is in lovely condition and I couldn't stop my hand reaching for my wallet!! I have since have considered a M16 again and whether I have made the right choice but am pretty sure I have. My car has been described by some "as like new" -so should be kept as original as possible!! But I am tempted by more power!!
The Puma site looks great and he certainly knows his stuff- if he would take the car and do everything I would be tempted today.
Has anyone had any major engine work on a 205 by someone they would recommend?

Edited by WILLYP on Tuesday 28th November 17:09

TimmerTVR

387 posts

222 months

Tuesday 28th November 2006
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Mikey G said:
TimmerTVR said:
Am looking at buying an ekotec valve to stop the "kangaroo" effect.


No, do not go there...


How come? Heard they work good on pugs?

Mikey G

4,778 posts

247 months

Tuesday 28th November 2006
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TimmerTVR said:
Mikey G said:
TimmerTVR said:
Am looking at buying an ekotec valve to stop the "kangaroo" effect.


No, do not go there...


How come? Heard they work good on pugs?


All they do is weaken your mixture, all pugs have that bit of a stutter but with a little tuning it can be helped, no need for a silly valve.
I took my 309 into a dealer to have it checked and tuned and i asked the tuner about it and he told me 'they all do that' so thats how it stayed.