Facelift Berlingo MPV 2024
Discussion
It definitely seems better than the old one but to my eyes it has lost much of the beauty of the old one. I really don't like the new grille and badge (which they have also put on the e-C3). I live in dread of the day when they put that thing on the face of the C5X.
Is the petrol version still only certified as a LCV? I seem to remember that was the case with the old one (where they had to bring back the petrol model after making it BEV only and watching sales fall off a cliff). I am not sure why they did that - emissions dodge?
If it's certified as a proper passenger car then I might be tempted. I always had a soft spot for the Berlingo. I love the way that they are unashamedly form over function, like the new Ford Tourneo Courier. But on looks alone I would go for the Ford.
Is the petrol version still only certified as a LCV? I seem to remember that was the case with the old one (where they had to bring back the petrol model after making it BEV only and watching sales fall off a cliff). I am not sure why they did that - emissions dodge?
If it's certified as a proper passenger car then I might be tempted. I always had a soft spot for the Berlingo. I love the way that they are unashamedly form over function, like the new Ford Tourneo Courier. But on looks alone I would go for the Ford.
So of the current version (since 2018) the MPV in petrol and diesel was a proper passenger car until they made the disastrous call to make it electric only.
As you point out, that backfired.
After announcing the self imposed ban they built a few diesel passenger versions for the disability aftermarket crowd, then hardly sold any electrics (at the price and rubbish battery range im not surprised) and reopened petrol and diesel MPVs for a one off UK build batch.
Since mid 23 summer they have been pushing the electric while also having the petrol option hidden at the back of the brochure and only available if you enquired with a dealer and paid near list price.
Then this seemed to stop around September, they then built a batch of 200 essentially petrol and diesel MPV versions but as LCVs.
Must have been an emissions target.
There are still a good few of these about either as pre reg or still awaiting registration although most got sold to the disability aftermarket suppliers.
Citroen dealer did some digging for me and said it will be available again as a petrol but the electric (much improved) will be the sales push.
He also confirmed the Peugeot Rifter MPV version will only be electric, so will the Fiat Doblo MPV version. The Vauxhall Combo Life version will be petrol, diesel and electric in the UK.
Annoyingly the Toyota Proace city MPV version wont be sold in the UK, so no 10 year warranty for UK buyers.
Also annoyingly the Fiat Doblo MPV version will be sold in petrol and diesel around Europe and will be the cheapest version of this vehicle.
He was telling me the new facelift electric version will be a huge improvement over the current electric which he called ‘old tech’.
As you point out, that backfired.
After announcing the self imposed ban they built a few diesel passenger versions for the disability aftermarket crowd, then hardly sold any electrics (at the price and rubbish battery range im not surprised) and reopened petrol and diesel MPVs for a one off UK build batch.
Since mid 23 summer they have been pushing the electric while also having the petrol option hidden at the back of the brochure and only available if you enquired with a dealer and paid near list price.
Then this seemed to stop around September, they then built a batch of 200 essentially petrol and diesel MPV versions but as LCVs.
Must have been an emissions target.
There are still a good few of these about either as pre reg or still awaiting registration although most got sold to the disability aftermarket suppliers.
Citroen dealer did some digging for me and said it will be available again as a petrol but the electric (much improved) will be the sales push.
He also confirmed the Peugeot Rifter MPV version will only be electric, so will the Fiat Doblo MPV version. The Vauxhall Combo Life version will be petrol, diesel and electric in the UK.
Annoyingly the Toyota Proace city MPV version wont be sold in the UK, so no 10 year warranty for UK buyers.
Also annoyingly the Fiat Doblo MPV version will be sold in petrol and diesel around Europe and will be the cheapest version of this vehicle.
He was telling me the new facelift electric version will be a huge improvement over the current electric which he called ‘old tech’.
Interesting history, thanks for posting that.
Same thing happened with the Citroen C4X. Initially it was electric only in the UK (as e-C4X), then they U-turned and brought a petrol version out.
Ford seemed to have learned the lesson from the Berlingo BEV fiasco, and have brought out the Tourneo Courier first as petrol and the BEV version follows later this year.
It seems that the new Berlingo BEV offers up to 198 miles of range on WLTP. That is definitely better than before, but I wonder whether the customer base will find that to be enough.
Same thing happened with the Citroen C4X. Initially it was electric only in the UK (as e-C4X), then they U-turned and brought a petrol version out.
Ford seemed to have learned the lesson from the Berlingo BEV fiasco, and have brought out the Tourneo Courier first as petrol and the BEV version follows later this year.
It seems that the new Berlingo BEV offers up to 198 miles of range on WLTP. That is definitely better than before, but I wonder whether the customer base will find that to be enough.
I bought one of the "last ever ICE Berlingos" when they went EV only in 2022. And very happy I am with it too - XL 1.2 Puretech Auto (and yes I am keeping a nervous eye on the wet cambelt). Stellantis tried the EV only option with the larger Peugeot Traveller and Citroen Spacetourer (and are yet to relent). That hasn't gone well either.
Salamura said:
What fuel economy are you getting from the 1.2 PureTech? I am looking at the XL as our next family wagon, and while I prefer the 1.5 diesel there seem to be many 1.2 for sale at the moment. I am afraid that it will be very thirsty though, and I do a lot of miles.
I recently sold a C3 Aircross with the 1.2 engine. It averaged an indicated 48mpg (true 45mpg, measured brim to brim). The C3 Picasso 1.6 diesel that I owned previously averaged a true 60mpg.The Berlingo XL weighs 30% more than the Aircross, so I'd expect getting to 40mpg would be a struggle. Go for the diesel.
Average 42mpg from a Vauxhall combo life XL 1.2 which is a Berlingo with a different badge on the front.
The best one to go for used is the Peugeot Rifter, its noticably quieter in the cab than the Combo Life, I presume the higher list price of the Rifter gets spent on some sound proofing.
The best one to go for used is the Peugeot Rifter, its noticably quieter in the cab than the Combo Life, I presume the higher list price of the Rifter gets spent on some sound proofing.
Why get the Citroen Berlingo when you can get the rebadged Toyota Proace City version with a 10 year warranty?
From auto express
The new Toyota Proace Verso EV and Proace City Verso are here to take on the all-electric people carrier segment. The two models are based on Toyota’s small and medium panel vans, but this is the first time we’ve seen a Verso version of the Proace City, and it’s the first time that the larger Proace Verso has been fitted with electric drive.
The two vans are a product of Toyota’s partnership with Stellantis and all of its brands, so the Toyota Proace Verso EV is essentially identical to the Vauxhall Vivaro Life Electric, Citroen E-Spacetourer and Peugeot E-Traveller, bar the Toyota badge on the nose and the company’s own multimedia system on-board. As for the smaller Proace City model, it uses the same tech as the Citroen e-Berlingo, Fiat e-Doblo, Peugeot E-Rifter and Vauxhall Combo Life Electric. All of those models have just received a mid-life facelift, too, so the Proace Verso EV enters a tight market.
From auto express
The new Toyota Proace Verso EV and Proace City Verso are here to take on the all-electric people carrier segment. The two models are based on Toyota’s small and medium panel vans, but this is the first time we’ve seen a Verso version of the Proace City, and it’s the first time that the larger Proace Verso has been fitted with electric drive.
The two vans are a product of Toyota’s partnership with Stellantis and all of its brands, so the Toyota Proace Verso EV is essentially identical to the Vauxhall Vivaro Life Electric, Citroen E-Spacetourer and Peugeot E-Traveller, bar the Toyota badge on the nose and the company’s own multimedia system on-board. As for the smaller Proace City model, it uses the same tech as the Citroen e-Berlingo, Fiat e-Doblo, Peugeot E-Rifter and Vauxhall Combo Life Electric. All of those models have just received a mid-life facelift, too, so the Proace Verso EV enters a tight market.
It’s now on the Toyota UK site as a car MPV
Prices and trims are also confirm,
Likewise the Berlingo MPV petrol diesel and electric prices now confirmed
7 seater only available in electric
Still waiting on Vauxhall Combo Life, Fiat Doblo MPV and Peugeot Rifter pricing and options to be confirmed.
Prices and trims are also confirm,
Likewise the Berlingo MPV petrol diesel and electric prices now confirmed
7 seater only available in electric
Still waiting on Vauxhall Combo Life, Fiat Doblo MPV and Peugeot Rifter pricing and options to be confirmed.
All the details are now up on the Citroen UK website and the dealer can place an order, regardless of which engine choice (diesel, petrol or electric) it’s 6-8 weeks from order to delivery although dealer thinks it will be more like 2-4 weeks without any options as they will be building up an initial UK stock.
One thing I have picked up on and so did the dealer, if your ordering an electric version, price in an additional £350 option for the heat pump.
A heat pump will make a massive difference to the range in winter, as much as 30 miles extra.
Some good news, full size spare wheel is a £100 option.
One thing I have picked up on and so did the dealer, if your ordering an electric version, price in an additional £350 option for the heat pump.
A heat pump will make a massive difference to the range in winter, as much as 30 miles extra.
Some good news, full size spare wheel is a £100 option.
Oh no
Citroen have ballsed up again
Was in Citroen dealer today, they have taken delivery this week of the new Berlingo MPV they where putting it into showroom when I was dropping some parts off.
But they have decided that the petrol and diesel versions will be classed as commercials!
That’s right, the change they said was short term due to CO2 targets by building petrol and diesel Berlingos is now permanent!
To make it more confusing the electric versions will be classed as passenger cars.
What a mess
I didn’t take any photos but presumed other dealers will have Berlingos arriving as well, a quick auto trader check confirms - mesh cage in the back of a top of the range XTR version!
https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202404118...
Citroen have ballsed up again
Was in Citroen dealer today, they have taken delivery this week of the new Berlingo MPV they where putting it into showroom when I was dropping some parts off.
But they have decided that the petrol and diesel versions will be classed as commercials!
That’s right, the change they said was short term due to CO2 targets by building petrol and diesel Berlingos is now permanent!
To make it more confusing the electric versions will be classed as passenger cars.
What a mess
I didn’t take any photos but presumed other dealers will have Berlingos arriving as well, a quick auto trader check confirms - mesh cage in the back of a top of the range XTR version!
https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202404118...
Van insurance (more expensive)
Van road speeds (lower)
Van retention values (lower)
Van road tax (higher)
Van road tolls (some charge more for commercials)
There’s no benefit to the consumer
If you read the latest brochure, they mention it near the bottom of page 4
https://indd.adobe.com/view/77aebd75-99c2-468e-854...
Van road speeds (lower)
Van retention values (lower)
Van road tax (higher)
Van road tolls (some charge more for commercials)
There’s no benefit to the consumer
If you read the latest brochure, they mention it near the bottom of page 4
https://indd.adobe.com/view/77aebd75-99c2-468e-854...
Edited by ACCYSTAN on Saturday 20th April 10:07
Exactly
I was set to order one, I was deciding between the Toyota Pro ace city verso long wheel base electric and the Berlingo petrol
I wanted the Toyota version for the 10 year warranty
BUT
Toyota version even in the longer wheelbase is only 5 seats (Citroen, Peugeot and Vauxhall is 7)
Toyota version does not have the option to pay extra for the heat pump which will massively aid the range in the winter (option on the others)
On a plus, the Toyota comes with the faster charge rate 11kw as standard, the others it’s an optional extra
So I was set to buy the Berlingo, as neither the Peugeot Rifter version nor the Vauxhall combo life version of this vehicle are being produced in petrol or diesel
Been to Citroen dealers, got the info, build dates, costs, what discount they could squeeze for me, etc
Was going to order next month but not anymore.
Bits too much of an inconvenience with it being a commercial, I don’t want the hassle especially the lower A and B road speeds, higher road tax, higher insurance, etc.
Part of me will consider the Berlingo electric with the optional extra of the faster charger and heat pump and I can get it in longer 7 seater form but the 3 year warranty is putting me off as this car will devalue heavily in the first year and I will need to keep it at least 5-6 years to lower the average yearly depreciation.
Not like I can lease a Berlingo MPV, they sell in too small quantities to ever push the lease side.
Back to the drawing board, and likely back to the Ford Tourneo Connect or grand tourneo connect or its badge engineered more expensive equivalent the VW caddy maxi.
I was set to order one, I was deciding between the Toyota Pro ace city verso long wheel base electric and the Berlingo petrol
I wanted the Toyota version for the 10 year warranty
BUT
Toyota version even in the longer wheelbase is only 5 seats (Citroen, Peugeot and Vauxhall is 7)
Toyota version does not have the option to pay extra for the heat pump which will massively aid the range in the winter (option on the others)
On a plus, the Toyota comes with the faster charge rate 11kw as standard, the others it’s an optional extra
So I was set to buy the Berlingo, as neither the Peugeot Rifter version nor the Vauxhall combo life version of this vehicle are being produced in petrol or diesel
Been to Citroen dealers, got the info, build dates, costs, what discount they could squeeze for me, etc
Was going to order next month but not anymore.
Bits too much of an inconvenience with it being a commercial, I don’t want the hassle especially the lower A and B road speeds, higher road tax, higher insurance, etc.
Part of me will consider the Berlingo electric with the optional extra of the faster charger and heat pump and I can get it in longer 7 seater form but the 3 year warranty is putting me off as this car will devalue heavily in the first year and I will need to keep it at least 5-6 years to lower the average yearly depreciation.
Not like I can lease a Berlingo MPV, they sell in too small quantities to ever push the lease side.
Back to the drawing board, and likely back to the Ford Tourneo Connect or grand tourneo connect or its badge engineered more expensive equivalent the VW caddy maxi.
Edited by ACCYSTAN on Sunday 21st April 10:31
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